SCOTUS: states cannot ban same sex marriage

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

Wrong! Acceptance is a state of mind. Most people are smart enough to know that that can't change unwilling minds. It's about behavior. Your behavior and that of your ilk towards others who just want to be treated with fairness and equality. That will change!

Aside from that, you can torment yourself with the hatred that is festering in the recesses of your atrophied Neanderthal brain until the day that you die.

And to portray this a an epic battle between Christians and gays is just moronic

 

[Faun]

Not according to Jesus...

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

Neither will any Conservative who criticizes Liberals.

 

[Bonzi]

I think for many, the issue with homosexuality isn't about denying them rights or hating on them etc.

I think the real Christian's out there don't like that fact that gay marriage is legalized because they believe that by gay marriage becoming "legal", people will start to perceive it as acceptable, and maybe even, "okay" for a Christian to do.... their concern is FOR GOD and his ways, not AGAINST GAYS and their ways (most Christian's believe God considers Homosexuality as a sin and an abomination - you can argue against that, but, that won't change their belief. They don't believe it because they hate gays, they believe it because they were taught that and feel scriptures back it up).

Now, sex outside of marriage is also a sin. But the issue with allowing gay marriage is that on top of homosexuality being a sin, Christian's view marriage as a HOLY union (vs. a legal union).

They see it as a breaking down of the moral fabric of our Country and worry that it is part of a trend that will bring this country into further decadence and moral decay.... and ultimately, Godly punishment.

If you can look at it as a LOVE for God and Country (even if you thinks it's mis-construed) and not has a hateful and controlling thing, you still won't agree, but, maybe you can partially understand or at least see where they might be coming from, from their point of view.

You can say, well, guess what, I think gay marriage is a right and this is fair and tough for you cause that's where we are at now in this Country .... but adding on that people are hateful, backward and narrow-minded is just not fair (but, that is not to say that some aren't...).

But many really are good hearted, well intentioned people - people that would clothe and feed a homosexual person, and help them in a time of need.

I'm pretty sure I didn't word or say all this correctly, but I tried my best!

Wrong. Real Christians are not bigots. But yes many Christians have been brought up to be bigoted against gays similar to the way they were brought up to be bigoted against blacks. Stupid is as stupid does.

The definition of a bigot is: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions

True Christians are not intolerant of any people. They love them, and feel telling them about God and life they can have as a Christian, allowing God to be the master of their lives, is the best gift they can give them......

Do you think Jesus was a bigot?
What about his Apostles?

 

[Faun]

Not according to Jesus...

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he loved both. I think Jesus was a narcissist who thrived on sin since without it, he would have been out of business. He had to fool others into believing no matter how righteous they were, they were still a sinner, barring them from the Kingdom of G-d; and the only way in was through him. Sin was to him what ailments were to a charlatan "doctor" in a medicine show -- a marketing tool designed to draw in customers for which he had the cure.

Let me guess.. you're an ex-catholic.

Wrong.

 

[Faun]

I think for many, the issue with homosexuality isn't about denying them rights or hating on them etc.

I think the real Christian's out there don't like that fact that gay marriage is legalized because they believe that by gay marriage becoming "legal", people will start to perceive it as acceptable, and maybe even, "okay" for a Christian to do.... their concern is FOR GOD and his ways, not AGAINST GAYS and their ways (most Christian's believe God considers Homosexuality as a sin and an abomination - you can argue against that, but, that won't change their belief. They don't believe it because they hate gays, they believe it because they were taught that and feel scriptures back it up).

Now, sex outside of marriage is also a sin. But the issue with allowing gay marriage is that on top of homosexuality being a sin, Christian's view marriage as a HOLY union (vs. a legal union).

They see it as a breaking down of the moral fabric of our Country and worry that it is part of a trend that will bring this country into further decadence and moral decay.... and ultimately, Godly punishment.

If you can look at it as a LOVE for God and Country (even if you thinks it's mis-construed) and not has a hateful and controlling thing, you still won't agree, but, maybe you can partially understand or at least see where they might be coming from, from their point of view.

You can say, well, guess what, I think gay marriage is a right and this is fair and tough for you cause that's where we are at now in this Country .... but adding on that people are hateful, backward and narrow-minded is just not fair (but, that is not to say that some aren't...).

But many really are good hearted, well intentioned people - people that would clothe and feed a homosexual person, and help them in a time of need.

I'm pretty sure I didn't word or say all this correctly, but I tried my best!

And this would be one of those, It's none of your fucking business, moments.

 

[RKMBrown]

I think for many, the issue with homosexuality isn't about denying them rights or hating on them etc.

I think the real Christian's out there don't like that fact that gay marriage is legalized because they believe that by gay marriage becoming "legal", people will start to perceive it as acceptable, and maybe even, "okay" for a Christian to do.... their concern is FOR GOD and his ways, not AGAINST GAYS and their ways (most Christian's believe God considers Homosexuality as a sin and an abomination - you can argue against that, but, that won't change their belief. They don't believe it because they hate gays, they believe it because they were taught that and feel scriptures back it up).

Now, sex outside of marriage is also a sin. But the issue with allowing gay marriage is that on top of homosexuality being a sin, Christian's view marriage as a HOLY union (vs. a legal union).

They see it as a breaking down of the moral fabric of our Country and worry that it is part of a trend that will bring this country into further decadence and moral decay.... and ultimately, Godly punishment.

If you can look at it as a LOVE for God and Country (even if you thinks it's mis-construed) and not has a hateful and controlling thing, you still won't agree, but, maybe you can partially understand or at least see where they might be coming from, from their point of view.

You can say, well, guess what, I think gay marriage is a right and this is fair and tough for you cause that's where we are at now in this Country .... but adding on that people are hateful, backward and narrow-minded is just not fair (but, that is not to say that some aren't...).

But many really are good hearted, well intentioned people - people that would clothe and feed a homosexual person, and help them in a time of need.

I'm pretty sure I didn't word or say all this correctly, but I tried my best!

Wrong. Real Christians are not bigots. But yes many Christians have been brought up to be bigoted against gays similar to the way they were brought up to be bigoted against blacks. Stupid is as stupid does.

The definition of a bigot is: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions

True Christians are not intolerant of any people. They love them, and feel telling them about God and life they can have as a Christian, allowing God to be the master of their lives, is the best gift they can give them......

Do you think Jesus was a bigot?
What about his Apostles?

>>>Do you think Jesus was a bigot? No. But he did express intolerance for the money changers.
>>>What about his Apostles? No.

The bigotry is usually from the people that teach bigotry against certain groups, for example, against blacks and interracial marriage up to the end of the last century, against gays even today, against islam, sometimes even against Catholics,...

 

[RKMBrown]

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he loved both. I think Jesus was a narcissist who thrived on sin since without it, he would have been out of business. He had to fool others into believing no matter how righteous they were, they were still a sinner, barring them from the Kingdom of G-d; and the only way in was through him. Sin was to him what ailments were to a charlatan "doctor" in a medicine show -- a marketing tool designed to draw in customers for which he had the cure.

Let me guess.. you're an ex-catholic.

Wrong.

ok...

 

[Bonzi]

>>>Do you think Jesus was a bigot? No. But he did express intolerance for the money changers.
>>>What about his Apostles? No.

The bigotry is usually from the people that teach bigotry against certain groups, for example, against blacks and interracial marriage up to the end of the last century, against gays even today, against islam, sometimes even against Catholics,...

Jesus and His Apostles were constantly preaching to people about salvation and telling them to turn from their sinful ways.
But you are right, there are bigoted people out there - Christian and non-Christian.

But not all Christian's are bigots. That's all I was saying.....

 

[LittleNipper]

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

They should be equal. They are human beings!

There is quality, class, and the eternal. Homosexuality misses on all three points.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

They should be equal. They are human beings!

There is quality, class, and the eternal. Homosexuality misses on all three points.

What the hell are you talking about??

 

[LittleNipper]

Not according to Jesus...

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he loved both. I think Jesus was a narcissist who thrived on sin since without it, he would have been out of business. He had to fool others into believing no matter how righteous they were, they were still a sinner, barring them from the Kingdom of G-d; and the only way in was through him. Sin was to him what ailments were to a charlatan "doctor" in a medicine show -- a marketing tool designed to draw in customers for which he had the cure.

Righteousness comes from God. Man is not righteous without God. I think you never read the Bible if you believe Jesus was a narcissist. A house divided cannot stand.

 

[ChrisL]

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

They should be equal. They are human beings!

There is quality, class, and the eternal. Homosexuality misses on all three points.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean.

 

[ChrisL]

Not according to Jesus...

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he loved both. I think Jesus was a narcissist who thrived on sin since without it, he would have been out of business. He had to fool others into believing no matter how righteous they were, they were still a sinner, barring them from the Kingdom of G-d; and the only way in was through him. Sin was to him what ailments were to a charlatan "doctor" in a medicine show -- a marketing tool designed to draw in customers for which he had the cure.

Righteousness comes from God. Man is not righteous without God. I think you never read the Bible if you believe Jesus was a narcissist. A house divided cannot stand.

This is nothing but your own personal belief system. Do you understand that other people do not share the same belief system that you do?

 

[Faun]

Not according to Jesus...

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he loved both. I think Jesus was a narcissist who thrived on sin since without it, he would have been out of business. He had to fool others into believing no matter how righteous they were, they were still a sinner, barring them from the Kingdom of G-d; and the only way in was through him. Sin was to him what ailments were to a charlatan "doctor" in a medicine show -- a marketing tool designed to draw in customers for which he had the cure.

Righteousness comes from God. Man is not righteous without God.

Wrong, though G-d can inspire righteousness in people. Words have meaning, you should learn them.

I think you never read the Bible if you believe Jesus was a narcissist.

While I haven't read all of it, I have read much of both testaments.

A house divided cannot stand.

Then don't be so divisive.

 

[Faun]

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

They should be equal. They are human beings!

There is quality, class, and the eternal. Homosexuality misses on all three points.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean.

It means he thinks he's superior.

 

[thanatos144]

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

It is a sin to God.

 

[thanatos144]

And according to Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilled the Law and the prophecies ushering in a new era of Judaism that abolished the old covenant and brought in a new one. If you had read Chapter One of the book you quote, you would recognize that the author makes clear through the genealogy that every 14th generation something massive happens and Judaism changes. After the first 14 generations, David came and established the royal line which dramatically changed everything. 14 generations later was the Babylonian exile which again dramatically changed everything. Now 14 generations later, here comes Jesus ushering in yet another era wherein the prophecies are fulfilled, the old covenant is no more, and a new covenant is established.

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

I find your sig to be rather ironic too.

marriage is not a right it is a privilege and one where it was suppose to be left to each state not the politburo

 

[thanatos144]

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

They should be equal. They are human beings!

who ever said they were unequal? You and your kind did no christian ever did.... So the true bigot is you and the liberal left.

 

[ChrisL]

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

They will not be satisfied until their lifestyle is accepted as equal by everyone everywhere. They will not leave Christians alone.

They should be equal. They are human beings!

who ever said they were unequal? You and your kind did no christian ever did.... So the true bigot is you and the liberal left.

Huh? You statement doesn't make sense.

 

[ChrisL]

You're saying Paul knew something Jesus did not? Jesus said he did not come to change the law. Paul did not get to reverse that.

Do you think Jesus loved the sinner or the sin?

I think he said " Don't hate the player. Hate the game".

I think he said repent your sins and go forth and sin no more........ But we both know homosexuals and any liberal libertarian wont do this.

It's a sin to you perhaps. Most people don't really care one way or the other if homosexuals get married or not. I think we should leave them alone and let them do their thing. By denying them marriage, you are only harassing these people. They obviously don't follow your particular set of rules for living.

It is a sin to God.

That's your belief. Everyone doesn't share your beliefs.