Second Law of Thermodynamics Declared Wrong....

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[mamooth]

The second law is a law of nature, not a law of systems.

So are Newton's Laws of Motion. But they're all wrong too. They were proven wrong when relativity came about.

I now await SSDD to declare relativity is a hoax, because the word "Law" appears in "Newton's Laws of Motion". I mean, they used the word "Law", so it has to be right all the time!

Yes, simply labeling something with the word "Law" actually forces the universe to obey that "Law" in every situation! That's SSDD's crank logic for ya. And just look at all the other droolers signing on to it.

 

[IanC]

Droolers? That's a bit harsh. We are arguing over niggling details that make no difference to practical reality. The SloT. In practise.

Should I call anyone who thinks the atmosphere is capable of doing work to. Warm the surface s 'drooler'?

It is only capable of interfering with heat loss and hence changing the equilibrium temp for the work the Sun does.

 

[SSDD]

Yes, simply labeling something with the word "Law" actually forces the universe to obey that "Law" in every situation! That's SSDD's crank logic for ya. And just look at all the other droolers signing on to it.

Seems no one is willing to step out on the crazy limb with you. Not very surprising.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

In apparant paroxysms of warmist cult ecstacy one of our very own crop of warmists declared one of the fundamental laws of nature, the second law of thermodynamics to be excact wrong. He claimed that science has proven the second law of thermodynamics wrong 100 years gone now.

The exchange went like this....here

The second law of thermodynamics isn't a theory...it is a fundamental law of nature. Feel free to try and prove it wrong.

Quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics already did that. Around a hundred years ago.

So how about it all you warmers, and luke warmers out there...what do you say. Do you agree that the second law of thermodynamics has long since been proven wrong? Are any of you out there on that limb with our little warmist buddy? Do you believe one of the fundamental laws of nature has been overturned...wrong...pointless? Do you believe that proof actually exists to support our little warmist buddy's statement?

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object. This precludes a perfect refrigerator. The statements about refrigerators apply to air conditioners and heat pumps, which embody the same principles.

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is impossible to extract an amount of heat QH from a hot reservoir and use it all to do work W . Some amount of heat QC must be exhausted to a cold reservoir. This precludes a perfect heat engine.

This is sometimes called the "first form" of the second law, and is referred to as the Kelvin-Planck statement of the second law.

Second Law: Entropy
Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

Entropy: a state variable whose change is defined for a reversible process at T where Q is the heat absorbed.
Entropy: a measure of the amount of energy which is unavailable to do work.
Entropy: a measure of the disorder of a system.
Entropy: a measure of the multiplicity of a system.

Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time. For an isolated system, the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

OK, flapyap, these statements are revelent to GHG warming of the atmosphere in what manner?

Interesting that Plato arrived at this before the time of Christ.

 

[IanC]

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this is where SSDD goes wrong. he believes in Maxwell's (/Laplace's) daemon but does not follow it through to a conclusion. just like when people claim that a substance can emit certain radiation but no absorb it (or vice versa).

 

[westwall]

The second law is a law of nature, not a law of systems.

So are Newton's Laws of Motion. But they're all wrong too. They were proven wrong when relativity came about.

I now await SSDD to declare relativity is a hoax, because the word "Law" appears in "Newton's Laws of Motion". I mean, they used the word "Law", so it has to be right all the time!

Yes, simply labeling something with the word "Law" actually forces the universe to obey that "Law" in every situation! That's SSDD's crank logic for ya. And just look at all the other droolers signing on to it.

Well shit you'd better tell NASA that! They've been using those damned laws to calculate orbital slingshots for their deep space probes for over 40 years now. Fuck, THEY DON'T WORK!!!

Oh, wait a sec....they do...they actually do work....so that means that mammy is ......oh yes here it is....full of crapola yet again!

If ever there was proof needed that you are an imbecile and could no more run a nuclear power plant than fly an aircraft this post does it.

Congrats, you rendered all future posts of yours completely irrelevent based on mental incompetence......

What an absolute fucking moron...

Hows that for "stalking" asswipe?

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[westwall]

In apparant paroxysms of warmist cult ecstacy one of our very own crop of warmists declared one of the fundamental laws of nature, the second law of thermodynamics to be excact wrong. He claimed that science has proven the second law of thermodynamics wrong 100 years gone now.

The exchange went like this....here





So how about it all you warmers, and luke warmers out there...what do you say. Do you agree that the second law of thermodynamics has long since been proven wrong? Are any of you out there on that limb with our little warmist buddy? Do you believe one of the fundamental laws of nature has been overturned...wrong...pointless? Do you believe that proof actually exists to support our little warmist buddy's statement?

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object. This precludes a perfect refrigerator. The statements about refrigerators apply to air conditioners and heat pumps, which embody the same principles.

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is impossible to extract an amount of heat QH from a hot reservoir and use it all to do work W . Some amount of heat QC must be exhausted to a cold reservoir. This precludes a perfect heat engine.

This is sometimes called the "first form" of the second law, and is referred to as the Kelvin-Planck statement of the second law.

Second Law: Entropy
Second Law of Thermodynamics: In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

Entropy: a state variable whose change is defined for a reversible process at T where Q is the heat absorbed.
Entropy: a measure of the amount of energy which is unavailable to do work.
Entropy: a measure of the disorder of a system.
Entropy: a measure of the multiplicity of a system.

Since entropy gives information about the evolution of an isolated system with time, it is said to give us the direction of "time's arrow" . If snapshots of a system at two different times shows one state which is more disordered, then it could be implied that this state came later in time. For an isolated system, the natural course of events takes the system to a more disordered (higher entropy) state.

OK, flapyap, these statements are revelent to GHG warming of the atmosphere in what manner?

Interesting that Plato arrived at this before the time of Christ.

I highlighted the relevant parts for you....

 

[IanC]

does that mean you think Feynman was incorrect when he pointed out that Newton's Laws were incorrect?

personally I would characterize them as incomplete rather than wrong. in the same way as thermodynamic laws are suitable for macro systems but incorrect and incomplete when dealing with micro interactions.

 

[westwall]

does that mean you think Feynman was incorrect when he pointed out that Newton's Laws were incorrect?

personally I would characterize them as incomplete rather than wrong. in the same way as thermodynamic laws are suitable for macro systems but incorrect and incomplete when dealing with micro interactions.

I don't recall him ever saying they were incorrect, just incomplete.

 

[IanC]

Actually in the video he made a point about how they were absolutely wrong when compared to modern definitions. I assume he was being somewhat theatrical.

 

[mamooth]

Well shit you'd better tell NASA that! They've been using those damned laws to calculate orbital slingshots for their deep space probes for over 40 years now. Fuck, THEY DON'T WORK!!!

Um ... you do realize NASA includes relativity when doing such calculations, no?

Oh wait, maybe you don't. I do almost always to have to inform you of every single thing having to do with basic science.

However, the point is that NASA doesn't rely on Newton's Laws of Motion, as they'd end up with wrecked spacecraft if they did. NASA has to use the corrections to Newton's Laws. Just as rational people use the corrections to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

And Westwall, are you well? You weren't always this dumb. You've been going downhill noticeably. Get yourself checked out.

 

[gslack]

HAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAAAAAA!!

Admiral you really must like the taste of your foot...ROFL

First the 2nd law was proven wrong, now newton was proven wrong, whats next? Will the moon actually be made of green cheese?

LOL, and poor Ian is trying to cover for you.. He won't give a straight answer he just dances around trying clean up your mess..

Here admiral some reading for you, it's designed for basic understanding maybe you can handle it still...

Science Experiment : Is Gravity a Theory or a Law? | The Happy Scientist

ROFL.. you are too much admiral..

 

[mamooth]

I've made several posts tonight, most of which had nothing to do with you. You've responded to every one with a psychostalker insult rant.

Again, what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[westwall]

Well shit you'd better tell NASA that! They've been using those damned laws to calculate orbital slingshots for their deep space probes for over 40 years now. Fuck, THEY DON'T WORK!!!

Um ... you do realize NASA includes relativity when doing such calculations, no?

Oh wait, maybe you don't. I do almost always to have to inform you of every single thing having to do with basic science.

However, the point is that NASA doesn't rely on Newton's Laws of Motion, as they'd end up with wrecked spacecraft if they did. NASA has to use the corrections to Newton's Laws. Just as rational people use the corrections to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

And Westwall, are you well? You weren't always this dumb. You've been going downhill noticeably. Get yourself checked out.

Actually, they use Feynmans algorithm in the calculations in support of the Newtonian algorithms. As usual you are completely wrong. Dude, you couldn't calculate your way out of a fibonacci sequence...

 

[jon_berzerk]

hahhahahhahahaahaaaaaa!!

Admiral you really must like the taste of your foot...rofl

first the 2nd law was proven wrong, now newton was proven wrong, whats next? Will the moon actually be made of green cheese?

Lol, and poor ian is trying to cover for you.. He won't give a straight answer he just dances around trying clean up your mess..

Here admiral some reading for you, it's designed for basic understanding maybe you can handle it still...

science experiment : Is gravity a theory or a law? | the happy scientist

rofl.. You are too much admiral..

--lol

 

[SSDD]

First the 2nd law was proven wrong, now newton was proven wrong, whats next? Will the moon actually be made of green cheese?

I hope it's stinky cheese.....mmmmmmmmm I like stinky cheese.