Secularists...Hoist By Their Own Petard

[PoliticalChic]

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I don't agree with PC on many things. But the other twit only continues to cloud threads with her 3rd grade commentary.

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If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

Rightwingers???
Republicans?


Didn't you know that it was begun by Bill's wife????
A Democrat/Liberal/Progressive.....


"Bombshell: ‘Washington Post’ Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement
...the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.
As Breitbart News reported earlier this month, other left-wing media outlets, like Politico and the Guardian, had already traced the Birther movement back to Democrats and Ms. Clinton.


Everything began in March of 2007 when Hillary’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, wrote a now-infamous campaign memo laying out his overall plan to win the election.
[Penn] wrote, “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”
Bombshell: 'Washington Post' Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement - Breitbart


You've become the best friend the Right can have.
Thanks a bunch.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

Rightwingers???
Republicans?


Didn't you know that it was begun by Bill's wife????
A Democrat/Liberal/Progressive.....


"Bombshell: ‘Washington Post’ Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement
...the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.
As Breitbart News reported earlier this month, other left-wing media outlets, like Politico and the Guardian, had already traced the Birther movement back to Democrats and Ms. Clinton.


Everything began in March of 2007 when Hillary’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, wrote a now-infamous campaign memo laying out his overall plan to win the election.
[Penn] wrote, “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”
Bombshell: 'Washington Post' Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement - Breitbart


You've become the best friend the Right can have.
Thanks a bunch.

Hillary Clinton did not start the birther movement. Breitbart and PoliticalChic are incapable of telling the truth.

 

[Dot Com]

PoliSpice and her advocating xstian proselytizing on public parcels

 

[PoliticalChic]

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I don't agree with PC on many things. But the other twit only continues to cloud threads with her 3rd grade commentary.

.

If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

I must admit, deanie.....this exchange made my day!

It couldn't have been better if I had you on retainer.....

Gads....."Rightwingers....lying....Birtherism"


And it turns out your very own candidate was the originator of 'Birtherism'!!!!!!!!!



Really.....admit it......
...was this tooooooooo funny for words??



Am I glad you never learned to read.

But....really......thanks!

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Bloomberg

The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. … Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. … Penn wrote: … “[H]is roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.”

Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. “Every speech should contain the line that you [Hillary] were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century,” he advised Clinton. “And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today.” He went on: “Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t … Let’s add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events].”
Ibid.


How about that, deanie??????


Remember.....only open your mouth to change feet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

David Limbaugh

Rush's little brother.

Now....who wrote this:
"All You Have To Know About Obama

• Best president in over 50 years
• Restored respect for America globally

You still suck at this, and that's why once again I'm kicking your ass up and down the forum."


Oh....right some dunce.....oh, that dunce was you!




And....right on cue, Barack Obama proves not to be a President for America:

"President Obama owes Americans a public explanation for why his administration is lobbying Congress to protect Saudi Arabia from lawsuits by families of those killed in the attacks of 9/11. The lobbying was disclosed Friday in a scoop by the New York Times."
Obama v. 9/11 Families - The New York Sun

 

[NYcarbineer]

If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

I must admit, deanie.....this exchange made my day!

It couldn't have been better if I had you on retainer.....

Gads....."Rightwingers....lying....Birtherism"


And it turns out your very own candidate was the originator of 'Birtherism'!!!!!!!!!



Really.....admit it......
...was this tooooooooo funny for words??



Am I glad you never learned to read.

But....really......thanks!

You lie.

I wish one person would post any quote from Hillary Clinton claiming that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Bloomberg

The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. … Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. … Penn wrote: … “[H]is roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.”

Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. “Every speech should contain the line that you [Hillary] were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century,” he advised Clinton. “And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today.” He went on: “Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t … Let’s add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events].”
Ibid.


How about that, deanie??????


Remember.....only open your mouth to change feet.

So any candidate claiming they possess American values is somehow a birther?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Connect those dots....




"Immigraton To Swell Muslim Population to 6.2 Million
According to U.S. Census Data, the United States admits roughly 100,000 Muslim immigrants legally each year, representing the fastest growing block of immigration into the United States. Tennessee, in fact, is home to one of the fastest growing immigrant populations in the country, causing thePresident to give a recent speech there in favor of expansive immigration.

This demographic change is entirely the product of legal admissions–that is, it is a formal policy of the federal government adopted by Congress.

Another major source of Middle Eastern immigration into the United States is done through our nation’s refugee program. Every year the United Stated admits 70,000 asylees and refugees.Arabic is the most common language spoken by refugees, and 91.4 percent of refugees from the Middle East are on food stamps.

The importation of Middle Eastern immigrants through the nation’s refugee program hasled to the development of pockets of radicalized communities throughout the United States." Immigration to Swell U.S. Muslim Population to 6.2 Million - Breitbart

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The 9/11 Commission, in its official report, declared there was “no evidence” linking the Saudi government or senior Saudi officials to funding for the attack.

But a 28-page portion of the Senate’s investigation into 9/11 remains classified, and people who have seen the documents say the Saudis were implicated.

The Obama camp was urging Congress to consider the financial and diplomatic fallout that would ensue with the longtime U.S. ally if the legislation became law."
Saudi Arabia warns of $750B response to 9/11 liability suit



"....Obama has remained steadfast in his support of his Wahhabi petrodollar overlords, and has been busy lobbying Congress to block the bill’s passage, according to administration officials and congressional aides from both parties,...."
Saudi Arabia Threatens To Liquidate Its Treasury Holdings If Congress Probes Its Role In Sept 11 Attacks | Zero Hedge

 

[Sun Devil 92]

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I don't agree with PC on many things. But the other twit only continues to cloud threads with her 3rd grade commentary.

.

If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

I'm challenging you to debate the OP since you admitted you disagree with her.

I said I don't agree with her on many things.....I never said one way or the other on the OP.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

[

I don't agree with PC on many things. But the other twit only continues to cloud threads with her 3rd grade commentary.

.

If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

Yes...all right wingers are birthers.

You really are stupid.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The salient point of this thread is that Liberals/Progressives/Secularists become enraged when reminded that this nation was founded as a moral and religious endeavor....

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

Well, at least she admits that her agenda is to impose a narrow conservative Christian morality on the American people, including via the long arm of the law and the long reach of Big Government.

I see nothing of that kind of admission.

I do see someone quoting someone who says the Constitution was made for a moral and religious people.

Can you get her to say she thinks people should be marched to church at the point of a knife ?

 

[Contumacious]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

Incorrect.

There are two major forces in these US trying to acquire absolute power.

The "fascist - conservatives" who want to rule us in the name of a god

and

the fascist liberals/ the socialists who want to rule us in the name of the fatherland, the common good


The ONLY ones who want to restore freedom , the free market and capitalism are the Libertarians.


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Here's another rightwing nitwit who thinks liberals are ‘fascists.’

Please check your political spectrum, you’ll find fascism there on the right.

Dingleberry

ANYONE who attempts to use the state's police powers to regulate the economy and decides what right(s) the people have is a fascist - either from the left or the right

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

Benito Mussolini

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

Rightwingers???
Republicans?


Didn't you know that it was begun by Bill's wife????
A Democrat/Liberal/Progressive.....


"Bombshell: ‘Washington Post’ Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement
...the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.
As Breitbart News reported earlier this month, other left-wing media outlets, like Politico and the Guardian, had already traced the Birther movement back to Democrats and Ms. Clinton.


Everything began in March of 2007 when Hillary’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, wrote a now-infamous campaign memo laying out his overall plan to win the election.
[Penn] wrote, “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”
Bombshell: 'Washington Post' Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement - Breitbart


You've become the best friend the Right can have.
Thanks a bunch.

Hillary Clinton did not start the birther movement. Breitbart and PoliticalChic are incapable of telling the truth.

But it's Politico that said this.....

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.


Read more: Birtherism: Where it all began
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

 

[Sun Devil 92]

"Bloomberg

The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. … Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. … Penn wrote: … “[H]is roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.”

Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. “Every speech should contain the line that you [Hillary] were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century,” he advised Clinton. “And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today.” He went on: “Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t … Let’s add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events].”
Ibid.


How about that, deanie??????


Remember.....only open your mouth to change feet.

So any candidate claiming they possess American values is somehow a birther?

Logical Fallacy.....

Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a hasty conclusion without considering all of the variables. In statistics, it may involve basing broad conclusions regarding the statistics of a survey from a small sample group that fails to sufficiently represent an entire population.[1] Its opposite fallacy is called slothful induction, or denying a reasonable conclusion of an inductive argument (e.g. "it was just a coincidence").

 

[NYcarbineer]

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I don't agree with PC on many things. But the other twit only continues to cloud threads with her 3rd grade commentary.

.

If you don't agree with PC, why aren't you debating her?

And since you are challenging people to debate, why is it that you won't encourage your moron team-mate lawyer wannabe to provide proof of her claims when asked to do so ?

I'm challenging you to debate the OP since you admitted you disagree with her.

I said I don't agree with her on many things.....I never said one way or the other on the OP.

So you don't disagree with her preposterous assertion that the French Revolution was bloodier than the American Revolution because of Christianity here and not there.

Great. You're as stupid as she is.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Bloomberg

The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. … Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. … Penn wrote: … “[H]is roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.”

Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. “Every speech should contain the line that you [Hillary] were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century,” he advised Clinton. “And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today.” He went on: “Let’s explicitly own ‘American’ in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn’t … Let’s add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events].”
Ibid.


How about that, deanie??????


Remember.....only open your mouth to change feet.

So any candidate claiming they possess American values is somehow a birther?

Logical Fallacy.....

Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a hasty conclusion without considering all of the variables. In statistics, it may involve basing broad conclusions regarding the statistics of a survey from a small sample group that fails to sufficiently represent an entire population.[1] Its opposite fallacy is called slothful induction, or denying a reasonable conclusion of an inductive argument (e.g. "it was just a coincidence").

PoliticalChic made the accusation:

 

[NYcarbineer]

Normal debates people tend to present facts and give the most acceptable and winning interpretation.

Right wingers just lie. That's why debates with them are so short. Eventually, they just run off.

How do you classify this argument (the one you supposedly just made) ?

"Normal debates" ? That's a good start.

"People present facts"....pray tell...do they ? What facts did you just present.

"Right wingers just lie" ? Really ? That is a fact (one you can readily prove without sounding like it is a wet dream on your part ?) ?

Great argument....RDean.

You may be a moron...but at least you are consistent.

Right wingers lying.

I have one word for you.

Birtherism.

Rightwingers???
Republicans?


Didn't you know that it was begun by Bill's wife????
A Democrat/Liberal/Progressive.....


"Bombshell: ‘Washington Post’ Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement
...the Washington Post removes any doubt that the anti-Obama Birther movement was started in 2007 and 2008 by Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and her Democrat supporters.
As Breitbart News reported earlier this month, other left-wing media outlets, like Politico and the Guardian, had already traced the Birther movement back to Democrats and Ms. Clinton.


Everything began in March of 2007 when Hillary’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, wrote a now-infamous campaign memo laying out his overall plan to win the election.
[Penn] wrote, “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.”Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”
Bombshell: 'Washington Post' Confirms Hillary Clinton Started the Birther Movement - Breitbart


You've become the best friend the Right can have.
Thanks a bunch.

Hillary Clinton did not start the birther movement. Breitbart and PoliticalChic are incapable of telling the truth.

But it's Politico that said this.....

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.


Read more: Birtherism: Where it all began
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

I would like one quote of Hillary Clinton ever making the charge, ever telling others to make the charge, ever confirming that she believed the charge, ever saying she approved of using this in the campaign.

 

[Dot Com]

"The 9/11 Commission, in its official report, declared there was “no evidence” linking the Saudi government or senior Saudi officials to funding for the attack.

But a 28-page portion of the Senate’s investigation into 9/11 remains classified, and people who have seen the documents say the Saudis were implicated.

The Obama camp was urging Congress to consider the financial and diplomatic fallout that would ensue with the longtime U.S. ally if the legislation became law."
Saudi Arabia warns of $750B response to 9/11 liability suit



"....Obama has remained steadfast in his support of his Wahhabi petrodollar overlords, and has been busy lobbying Congress to block the bill’s passage, according to administration officials and congressional aides from both parties,...."
Saudi Arabia Threatens To Liquidate Its Treasury Holdings If Congress Probes Its Role In Sept 11 Attacks | Zero Hedge

ALL previous Admins have "remaoned steadfast to the Wahhabi petrodollar overlords," you loon