serious question on core Jewish belief

[ding]

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

 

[.oldschool]

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

What a load of rubbish.

 

[ding]

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

What a load of rubbish.

Table 1: Comparing Text of the Border Sacrifice Prayer and the Bible

Prayer offered during Chinese Border Sacrifice	Hebrew Bible Texts
“Of old in the beginning, there was great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements (planets) had not begun to revolve, nor the sun or moon to shine. In the midst (of the chaos) there existed neither form nor sound. You, O spiritual Sovereign, came out in your presidency, and first did divide the grosser parts from the purer.”	“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” –Genesis 1:1-2, NKJV.
“You made heaven. You made the earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being (from you).”	“The God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters…’ And God called the firmament Heaven….and the dry land Earth” Genesis 1: 6-10. “So God created man in His own image;… God blessed them and said, ‘Be fruitful and multiply…’” Genesis 1:26-28. “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.” Isaiah 45:12
“Like a potter, you have made all things	“Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8

Ancient China - Adventism in China

This is a Wiki site for the History of Adventism in China

www.adventisminchina.org

In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese. He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. Sun went on to argue that the technology of Bronze Age widely thought to have come across Central Asia by land had in fact been brought by the Hyksos, a Western Asian people who settled in the Nile Valley in the 17th and 16th centuries B.C.E. and may have fled by sea when their dynasty collapsed. The technologies that the Hyskos had earlier developed—bronze metallurgy, chariots, literacy, domesticated plants and animals—were precisely those that have been excavated at the Shang dynasty capital, Yinxu. [16]

Sino-Babylonianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Street Juice]

And yet the Jewish people are the source of much of the chaos in the world--the revolutions, assassinations, wars, and political upheavals, going to great lengths to leave the world in darkness as to the source of the chaos. Moreover, the Judaic religion is the only one that explicitly justifies deception, theft, even murder of non-adherents if it benefits an adherent. As for superstition, what could be a more insidious superstition than the claim as fact that the same God that demands the shedding of innocent blood to stay His wrath has "chosen" this deeply superstitious tribe to bring light into the world of superstition in order to dispel it so long as they cling to their superstitions.

Historians will tell you that the 3000 year continued existence and success of the Jewish people is inexplicable.

The Chinese claim 5000 years, that doesn't mean I should ignore Chinese depredations.

That such a tiny group of people could defeat the super power of their day, survive for 3000 years against overwhelming odds and go on to make contributions to mankind disproportionate to their numbers defies all logic and reason.

First, the majority of European/American Jews today have Jewish ancestry about as far back as the average Arab has Muslim ancestry. But the Talmudic prison has proven to be remarkably insular and capable of withstanding repeated attempts by the Jews to break free. And yes, Jews have contributed much: the disaster of Marxism, the disaster of Freud, the disaster of critical race theory, the Bolshevik genocide that killed 66 million Russian Christians, WWI, WWII, the Palestinian genocide, the nation-killing 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, the Fed, the IRS, the FBI, Mossad/CIA, the French Revolution, 9/11, the Deep State, the Frankfort School, the assassination of JFK, the assassination of RFK, the trans-Atlantic slave trade, BLM, tensions with Russia, tensions with Iran, Oxycontin, George Soros, the beheading of Louis the XVI, the beheading of Edward VI, the murder of the Tsar Nicholas II and his entire family, the word Xmas, the Iraq War, the ACLU, the SPLC, the ADL, censorship, pornography, torture for the sake of torture, AIPAC, Nuremberg, the attack on the USS Liberty, and Joy Behar. On behalf of the world, I beg you, stop contributing. Leave us alone.

When pressed on the reason for their success, they see nothing special about themselves, they give all credit to God. Claiming to be the chosen people is the least arrogant position they could have taken given their inexplicable survival and success.

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham, I don't think you should ignore them. Of course the accomplishments and numbers are in no way comparable.

I lived in China for years. I'd like to hear what a Chinese had to say about your claim.

So, if you want to dismiss the overwhelmingly disproportionate contributions to the world of such a tiny population because it offends your sensibilities then be my guest but I am not the first one to recognize it even if you don't.

"...Over three hundred years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher of his day, to give him proof of the existence of miracles. Without a moment's hesitation, Pascal answered,"Why, the Jews, your Majesty-the Jews."​

​

We don't have to speculate what Pascal meant when he gave this answer, because he took the trouble to spell it out. In his masterwork, Pensees, he explained that the fact that the Jewish people had survived until the seventeenth century-the time period in which he lived-was nothing short of a supernatural phenomenon.​

I wasn't that impressed with Pensees. A philosopher who comes to a particular conclusion "just in case" can't really be counted as a serious philosopher.

​

Pascal is but one of many scholars and students of Jewish history who have been awed by a story that seems inexplicable by the ordinary rules of logic. When Arnold Toynbee completed his classic ten-volume analysis of the rise and fall of human civilizations, A Study of History, he was troubled by only one seeming refutation of his universal rules governing the inexorable decline of every people on earth. Only the Jews had survived, in defiance of Toynbee's carefully reasoned analysis. So Toynbee proclaimed the Jews nothing more than"a vestigial remnant," a people destined soon to perish..."​

​

The Miracle of Jewish History | History News Network​

But what are we doing discussing the various views of Jews whose crews abuse, misuse, and intentionally confuse in all milieus? My charge was that the God of the Jews cannot exist. As St Anselm might have reasoned, God is that entity greater than which nothing can exist. And since logical consistency is greater and more perfect than logical inconsistency, if an attribute of God were logically inconsistent, He would be less great than a God whose attributes were logically consistent, therefore God cannot possess logical inconsistency in any manner. Since it is logically inconsistent to claim something is simultaneously universal and particular, that cannot be an attribute of any real God that exists. Therefore, the Jewish God is a false God.

 

[ding]

And yet the Jewish people are the source of much of the chaos in the world--the revolutions, assassinations, wars, and political upheavals, going to great lengths to leave the world in darkness as to the source of the chaos. Moreover, the Judaic religion is the only one that explicitly justifies deception, theft, even murder of non-adherents if it benefits an adherent. As for superstition, what could be a more insidious superstition than the claim as fact that the same God that demands the shedding of innocent blood to stay His wrath has "chosen" this deeply superstitious tribe to bring light into the world of superstition in order to dispel it so long as they cling to their superstitions.

Historians will tell you that the 3000 year continued existence and success of the Jewish people is inexplicable.

The Chinese claim 5000 years, that doesn't mean I should ignore Chinese depredations.

That such a tiny group of people could defeat the super power of their day, survive for 3000 years against overwhelming odds and go on to make contributions to mankind disproportionate to their numbers defies all logic and reason.

First, the majority of European/American Jews today have Jewish ancestry about as far back as the average Arab has Muslim ancestry. But the Talmudic prison has proven to be remarkably insular and capable of withstanding repeated attempts by the Jews to break free. And yes, Jews have contributed much: the disaster of Marxism, the disaster of Freud, the disaster of critical race theory, the Bolshevik genocide that killed 66 million Russian Christians, WWI, WWII, the Palestinian genocide, the nation-killing 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, the Fed, the IRS, the FBI, Mossad/CIA, the French Revolution, 9/11, the Deep State, the Frankfort School, the assassination of JFK, the assassination of RFK, the trans-Atlantic slave trade, BLM, tensions with Russia, tensions with Iran, Oxycontin, George Soros, the beheading of Louis the XVI, the beheading of Edward VI, the murder of the Tsar Nicholas II and his entire family, the word Xmas, the Iraq War, the ACLU, the SPLC, the ADL, censorship, pornography, torture for the sake of torture, AIPAC, Nuremberg, the attack on the USS Liberty, and Joy Behar. On behalf of the world, I beg you, stop contributing. Leave us alone.

When pressed on the reason for their success, they see nothing special about themselves, they give all credit to God. Claiming to be the chosen people is the least arrogant position they could have taken given their inexplicable survival and success.

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham, I don't think you should ignore them. Of course the accomplishments and numbers are in no way comparable.

I lived in China for years. I'd like to hear what a Chinese had to say about your claim.

So, if you want to dismiss the overwhelmingly disproportionate contributions to the world of such a tiny population because it offends your sensibilities then be my guest but I am not the first one to recognize it even if you don't.

"...Over three hundred years ago King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great French philosopher of his day, to give him proof of the existence of miracles. Without a moment's hesitation, Pascal answered,"Why, the Jews, your Majesty-the Jews."​

​

We don't have to speculate what Pascal meant when he gave this answer, because he took the trouble to spell it out. In his masterwork, Pensees, he explained that the fact that the Jewish people had survived until the seventeenth century-the time period in which he lived-was nothing short of a supernatural phenomenon.​

I wasn't that impressed with Pensees. A philosopher who comes to a particular conclusion "just in case" can't really be counted as a serious philosopher.

​

Pascal is but one of many scholars and students of Jewish history who have been awed by a story that seems inexplicable by the ordinary rules of logic. When Arnold Toynbee completed his classic ten-volume analysis of the rise and fall of human civilizations, A Study of History, he was troubled by only one seeming refutation of his universal rules governing the inexorable decline of every people on earth. Only the Jews had survived, in defiance of Toynbee's carefully reasoned analysis. So Toynbee proclaimed the Jews nothing more than"a vestigial remnant," a people destined soon to perish..."​

​

The Miracle of Jewish History | History News Network​

But what are we doing discussing the various views of Jews whose crews abuse, misuse, and intentionally confuse in all milieus? My charge was that the God of the Jews cannot exist. As St Anselm might have reasoned, God is that entity greater than which nothing can exist. And since logical consistency is greater and more perfect than logical inconsistency, if an attribute of God were logically inconsistent, He would be less great than a God whose attributes were logically consistent, therefore God cannot possess logical inconsistency in any manner. Since it is logically inconsistent to claim something is simultaneously universal and particular, that cannot be an attribute of any real God that exists. Therefore, the Jewish God is a false God.

Stop reading allegorical accounts literally.

 

[ding]

I lived in China for years. I'd like to hear what a Chinese had to say about your claim.

It's not my claim. It was presented to me by a Chinese colleague.

 

[ding]

I wasn't that impressed with Pensees. A philosopher who comes to a particular conclusion "just in case" can't really be counted as a serious philosopher.

Were you impressed by Arnold Toynbee's ten-volume analysis of the rise and fall of human civilizations, A Study of History? Because he made the same observation.

My point here is that the premise that the history of the Jewish people - considering their tiny numbers and contributions which were disproportionate to their numbers - is inexplicable. That's point number one. Point number two is that they give all credit to God which destroys your "chosenness" argument as that position is the least arrogant position they can take for their success.

 

[ding]

Lastly... anyone can reap the rewards from a relationship with the Creator of existence if they die to self and see reality. Anyone.

 

[Street Juice]

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

What a load of rubbish.

Table 1: Comparing Text of the Border Sacrifice Prayer and the Bible

Prayer offered during Chinese Border Sacrifice	Hebrew Bible Texts
“Of old in the beginning, there was great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements (planets) had not begun to revolve, nor the sun or moon to shine. In the midst (of the chaos) there existed neither form nor sound. You, O spiritual Sovereign, came out in your presidency, and first did divide the grosser parts from the purer.”	“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” –Genesis 1:1-2, NKJV.
“You made heaven. You made the earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being (from you).”	“The God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters…’ And God called the firmament Heaven….and the dry land Earth” Genesis 1: 6-10. “So God created man in His own image;… God blessed them and said, ‘Be fruitful and multiply…’” Genesis 1:26-28. “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.” Isaiah 45:12
“Like a potter, you have made all things	“Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8

Ancient China - Adventism in China

This is a Wiki site for the History of Adventism in China

www.adventisminchina.org

In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese. He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. Sun went on to argue that the technology of Bronze Age widely thought to have come across Central Asia by land had in fact been brought by the Hyksos, a Western Asian people who settled in the Nile Valley in the 17th and 16th centuries B.C.E. and may have fled by sea when their dynasty collapsed. The technologies that the Hyskos had earlier developed—bronze metallurgy, chariots, literacy, domesticated plants and animals—were precisely those that have been excavated at the Shang dynasty capital, Yinxu. [16]

Sino-Babylonianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese."

So the founders of Chinese civilization could only have been Chinese if they had migrated from China?

The first Americans migrated over the Bering Strait. So, they weren't actually Americans?

"He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. "

So, this "geochemist" analyzes "ancient Chinese bronzes" and decides the first ancestors of the Chinese carried their pots and pans all the way from Egypt--a journey that probably took centuries if not millennia full of wars and massacres and raids and victories and defeats. But, by gum, they still had those bronze plaques from when junior won the spelling bee.

 

[ding]

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

What a load of rubbish.

Table 1: Comparing Text of the Border Sacrifice Prayer and the Bible

Prayer offered during Chinese Border Sacrifice	Hebrew Bible Texts
“Of old in the beginning, there was great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements (planets) had not begun to revolve, nor the sun or moon to shine. In the midst (of the chaos) there existed neither form nor sound. You, O spiritual Sovereign, came out in your presidency, and first did divide the grosser parts from the purer.”	“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” –Genesis 1:1-2, NKJV.
“You made heaven. You made the earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being (from you).”	“The God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters…’ And God called the firmament Heaven….and the dry land Earth” Genesis 1: 6-10. “So God created man in His own image;… God blessed them and said, ‘Be fruitful and multiply…’” Genesis 1:26-28. “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.” Isaiah 45:12
“Like a potter, you have made all things	“Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8

Ancient China - Adventism in China

This is a Wiki site for the History of Adventism in China

www.adventisminchina.org

In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese. He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. Sun went on to argue that the technology of Bronze Age widely thought to have come across Central Asia by land had in fact been brought by the Hyksos, a Western Asian people who settled in the Nile Valley in the 17th and 16th centuries B.C.E. and may have fled by sea when their dynasty collapsed. The technologies that the Hyskos had earlier developed—bronze metallurgy, chariots, literacy, domesticated plants and animals—were precisely those that have been excavated at the Shang dynasty capital, Yinxu. [16]

Sino-Babylonianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese."

So the founders of Chinese civilization could only have been Chinese if they had migrated from China?

The first Americans migrated over the Bering Strait. So, they weren't actually Americans?

"He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. "

So, this "geochemist" analyzes "ancient Chinese bronzes" and decides the first ancestors of the Chinese carried their pots and pans all the way from Egypt--a journey that probably took centuries if not millennia full of wars and massacres and raids and victories and defeats. But, by gum, they still had those bronze plaques from when junior won the spelling bee.

That wasn't how I took it. I took it that they brought that technology with them. You are like a hammer looking for a nail.

I doubt the migration took that long too. 10 to 20 miles a day. Do the math. So they probably did bring some pots and pans with them as well as weapons too.

 

[ding]

a journey that probably took centuries if not millennia

It's statements like that that lead me to believe you lack objectivity.

 

[ding]

So the founders of Chinese civilization could only have been Chinese if they had migrated from China?

The first Americans migrated over the Bering Strait. So, they weren't actually Americans?

Here's a couple of more silly statements that lead me to believe you dismiss anything that contradicts your narrative.

It's a really stupid argument. Your playing small does not serve the world.

 

[Street Juice]

I wasn't that impressed with Pensees. A philosopher who comes to a particular conclusion "just in case" can't really be counted as a serious philosopher.

Were you impressed by Arnold Toynbee's ten-volume analysis of the rise and fall of human civilizations, A Study of History? Because he made the same observation.

My point here is that the premise that the history of the Jewish people - considering their tiny numbers and contributions which were disproportionate to their numbers - is inexplicable. That's point number one. Point number two is that they give all credit to God which destroys your "chosenness" argument as that position is the least arrogant position they can take for their success.

No, the Jewish people haven't survived, the Jewish rabbinate has survived--more precisely the seat of government of this nation within the nations has survived. In 70 AD, when Rome had finally had enough of the constant chaos and turmoil in Judea (and one can only imagine), they razed Jerusalem. The Pharisees, who had assumed the seat of government of the Jewish diaspora, didn't participate in the fighting to save Jerusalem, as they had bad backs, and, instead, high-tailed to someplace northish, as I recall. From there the continued to apply the Levitical tyranny they had inherited from Babylon, then a bunch of history occurs and the seat of the rabbi's government lands in Spain, to which the Spaniards one day said "Ay, Dios mio, esta gente son putas" and the Jews were expelled with the Moors with whom they had allied themselves treacherously against the Spanish crown. From there the seat of rabbinate power moved to Poland, where a very different kind of Jew held sway--genetically unrelated to the Sephardic Spanish Jews, who were far more assimilated to European culture. The Polish Jews were the infamous "Eastern Jews," the Jews of the obnoxious stereotypes. They were descendants of the Khazars, who were a Turkic people from central Asia who had converted to Judaism en masse sometime in the 7th century, AD. These Jews looked more European than the swarthier-skinned Sephardic Jews, and soon eclipsed them. At the partition of Poland, the seat of Jewish government went underground. This was when Zionism made its appearance in the form we know now. When the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia, the seat of Jewish power emerged again in Moscow / Minsk then, post Stalin, moved to New York. The next move is to Jerusalem, from which the nation within the nations--devoid of a blood descent from the ancient Israelites--will rule the world like fungus rules the zombie ants.

 

[Street Juice]

So the founders of Chinese civilization could only have been Chinese if they had migrated from China?

The first Americans migrated over the Bering Strait. So, they weren't actually Americans?

Here's a couple of more silly statements that lead me to believe you dismiss anything that contradicts your narrative.

It's a really stupid argument. Your playing small does not serve the world.

Rather than call names, tell me how my interpretation is wrong.

 

[.oldschool]

Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

What a load of rubbish.

Table 1: Comparing Text of the Border Sacrifice Prayer and the Bible

Prayer offered during Chinese Border Sacrifice	Hebrew Bible Texts
“Of old in the beginning, there was great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements (planets) had not begun to revolve, nor the sun or moon to shine. In the midst (of the chaos) there existed neither form nor sound. You, O spiritual Sovereign, came out in your presidency, and first did divide the grosser parts from the purer.”	“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” –Genesis 1:1-2, NKJV.
“You made heaven. You made the earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being (from you).”	“The God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters…’ And God called the firmament Heaven….and the dry land Earth” Genesis 1: 6-10. “So God created man in His own image;… God blessed them and said, ‘Be fruitful and multiply…’” Genesis 1:26-28. “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.” Isaiah 45:12
“Like a potter, you have made all things	“Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8

Ancient China - Adventism in China

This is a Wiki site for the History of Adventism in China

www.adventisminchina.org

In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese. He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. Sun went on to argue that the technology of Bronze Age widely thought to have come across Central Asia by land had in fact been brought by the Hyksos, a Western Asian people who settled in the Nile Valley in the 17th and 16th centuries B.C.E. and may have fled by sea when their dynasty collapsed. The technologies that the Hyskos had earlier developed—bronze metallurgy, chariots, literacy, domesticated plants and animals—were precisely those that have been excavated at the Shang dynasty capital, Yinxu. [16]

Sino-Babylonianism - Wikipedia

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Is it true that ancient Chinese pictographs contain details of events reported in the Biblical book of Genesis? Does this suggest the ear...

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a journey that probably took centuries if not millennia

It's statements like that that lead me to believe you lack objectivity.

Do you believe ancient migrations of human populations consisted of the whole crew marching straight to the destination where they ended up?

 

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I wasn't that impressed with Pensees. A philosopher who comes to a particular conclusion "just in case" can't really be counted as a serious philosopher.

Were you impressed by Arnold Toynbee's ten-volume analysis of the rise and fall of human civilizations, A Study of History? Because he made the same observation.

My point here is that the premise that the history of the Jewish people - considering their tiny numbers and contributions which were disproportionate to their numbers - is inexplicable. That's point number one. Point number two is that they give all credit to God which destroys your "chosenness" argument as that position is the least arrogant position they can take for their success.

No, the Jewish people haven't survived, the Jewish rabbinate has survived--more precisely the seat of government of this nation within the nations has survived. In 70 AD, when Rome had finally had enough of the constant chaos and turmoil in Judea (and one can only imagine), they razed Jerusalem. The Pharisees, who had assumed the seat of government of the Jewish diaspora, didn't participate in the fighting to save Jerusalem, as they had bad backs, and, instead, high-tailed to someplace northish, as I recall. From there the continued to apply the Levitical tyranny they had inherited from Babylon, then a bunch of history occurs and the seat of the rabbi's government lands in Spain, to which the Spaniards one day said "Ay, Dios mio, esta gente son putas" and the Jews were expelled with the Moors with whom they had allied themselves treacherously against the Spanish crown. From there the seat of rabbinate power moved to Poland, where a very different kind of Jew held sway--genetically unrelated to the Sephardic Spanish Jews, who were far more assimilated to European culture. The Polish Jews were the infamous "Eastern Jews," the Jews of the obnoxious stereotypes. They were descendants of the Khazars, who were a Turkic people from central Asia who had converted to Judaism en masse sometime in the 7th century, AD. These Jews looked more European than the swarthier-skinned Sephardic Jews, and soon eclipsed them. At the partition of Poland, the seat of Jewish government went underground. This was when Zionism made its appearance in the form we know now. When the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia, the seat of Jewish power emerged again in Moscow / Minsk then, post Stalin, moved to New York. The next move is to Jerusalem, from which the nation within the nations--devoid of a blood descent from the ancient Israelites--will rule the world like fungus rules the zombie ants.

Now you are just being silly. You are literally describing just how inexplicable their continued existence is.

You'll probably be dismissing their contributions to mankind next.

 

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So the founders of Chinese civilization could only have been Chinese if they had migrated from China?

The first Americans migrated over the Bering Strait. So, they weren't actually Americans?

Here's a couple of more silly statements that lead me to believe you dismiss anything that contradicts your narrative.

It's a really stupid argument. Your playing small does not serve the world.

Rather than call names, tell me how my interpretation is wrong.

What name did I call you?

You didn't have an interpretation. You made a critical theory argument which by definition never defines anything.

 

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a journey that probably took centuries if not millennia

It's statements like that that lead me to believe you lack objectivity.

Do you believe ancient migrations of human populations consisted of the whole crew marching straight to the destination where they ended up?

No. I don't. Are you trying to suggest there have been no migrations. Because despite oldschools objections, there was a migration from the Middle East to China and they brought with them their practices and beliefs. One of which was a belief in a Creator God.

 

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Considering the early Chinese dynasties worshiped the God of Abraham,

Why do you keep posting this garbage. Good grief I thought you had more brains.

Because it's true. That's why I keep posting it.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years.

Approximately 800 years before Moses existed the Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses existed. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

What a load of rubbish.

Table 1: Comparing Text of the Border Sacrifice Prayer and the Bible

Prayer offered during Chinese Border Sacrifice	Hebrew Bible Texts
“Of old in the beginning, there was great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements (planets) had not begun to revolve, nor the sun or moon to shine. In the midst (of the chaos) there existed neither form nor sound. You, O spiritual Sovereign, came out in your presidency, and first did divide the grosser parts from the purer.”	“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” –Genesis 1:1-2, NKJV.
“You made heaven. You made the earth. You made man. All things with their reproducing power got their being (from you).”	“The God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters…’ And God called the firmament Heaven….and the dry land Earth” Genesis 1: 6-10. “So God created man in His own image;… God blessed them and said, ‘Be fruitful and multiply…’” Genesis 1:26-28. “It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts.” Isaiah 45:12
“Like a potter, you have made all things	“Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8

Ancient China - Adventism in China

This is a Wiki site for the History of Adventism in China

www.adventisminchina.org

In 2016, Sun Weidong, a Chinese geochemist argued that the founders of Chinese civilization migrated from Egypt and were therefore not actually Chinese. He was led to this hypothesis when his radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes found that their chemical composition was more similar to ancient Egyptian bronzes than to ores found in China. Sun went on to argue that the technology of Bronze Age widely thought to have come across Central Asia by land had in fact been brought by the Hyksos, a Western Asian people who settled in the Nile Valley in the 17th and 16th centuries B.C.E. and may have fled by sea when their dynasty collapsed. The technologies that the Hyskos had earlier developed—bronze metallurgy, chariots, literacy, domesticated plants and animals—were precisely those that have been excavated at the Shang dynasty capital, Yinxu. [16]

Sino-Babylonianism - Wikipedia

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Is it true that ancient Chinese pictographs contain details of events reported in the Biblical book of Genesis? Does this suggest the ear...

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I've actually made the comparisons of the symbols myself. Have you?