sex on the first date

[Bonzi]

I'm sure if a woman really wanted sex with a man she would be willing to go up and ask as well.
I still don't see your point....

how many women do it and are proud they didn't have to lie?

I have no idea because most people (male or female) don't do go up to people and ask for sex!
(unless they are asking a hooker)

Okay..... if a girl and a guy go on a date and, the girl wants to have a nice dinner, cuddle and have a massage but hold off on having sex..... are you saying she should state this up front? What if she doesn't even realize what she wants out of the date until they are well into the date? Maybe she would have wanted to have sex, but, for whatever reason, not up for it or just not into the guy....?

Alternatively, if the guy goes on a date only after sex, should he just state that up front?

Everybody knows guys want sex; it is up to women to "sell" their "relationship wares" if they are serious and not just all talk and no action.

If that is true, then both people must have something the other one wants. We know what the women have. But what are you offering? Besides petty cash.

i am not claiming i want a relationship and some women simply lie when they claim they want a serious, true love, one and only relationship.

You think they just say that cause they don't want to have sex?
You think most women really do want sex, but will lie to get out of having it with you?

 

[danielpalos]

If that is true, then both people must have something the other one wants. We know what the women have. But what are you offering? Besides petty cash.

He's saying that hookers want money for sex, are up front about it, clean transaction.
Whereas, dating women, the transaction should also be clean and up front. He is saying he will give them a massage etc. but he expects to be reciprocated in kind.

yes, as equals for equality purposes. only inferiors who know they are not equal have to resort to guile.

 

[danielpalos]

If a girl walks up to a guy and says, I might be interested but not sure. I want to have about 20 dates, maybe we'll have sex maybe not..... will the guy ask her out? Depends if he likes a challenge.

Like all interpersonal relationships, it's "risk reward"

Men don't always get laid
Women don't always get prince charming and so on........

it is about honesty and not having to lie for sex, dear.

Then, with "free chics" I suggest you tell them your game plan up front.
If they date you anyway and don't "put out" too bad.... but I think if you were totally honest with women like you are on here, they would run away screaming....

Are you totally honest with "free chics"?

are women just liars claiming they want honesty?

 

[Bonzi]

well you 2 have fun....

 

[WinterBorn]

A free sample? You sick fuck. That is a person. Not some tool for your pleasure.

Honest? If demanding a "free sample" is your version of honesty, the world would rather you lie.

How is it not, dear; under Any form of Capitalism such as ours. Only the right is that cognitively dissonant.

Because we are discussing interpersonal relationships not commercial transactions.

And why do you keep mentioning cognitive dissonance? Why are you supposing is struggling with contradictory beliefs?

commercial transactions are interpersonal. i keep mentioning cognitive dissonance because it seems to be true, for those of the opposing view.

How so?

dear, trade involves a social transaction. it really is that simple, except to the right.

And the cognitive dissonance?

 

[danielpalos]

dear, it is because guys are willing to go up to women and ask them for sex.

really????? you do that? How's that working for you?

i have; it works better and with greater honesty as a moral, with professional women. free chics seem to prefer to just be hypocrites for free.

that is your opinion - you are welcome to it.
obviously, a professional woman will say "yes" to you (for a price)
maybe a non professional woman will also say "yes" to you (for a price) - either way, immoral.
Honest? Well, no one is100% honest, and no one actually agrees with your rationale (male or female) - find someone that agrees and supports your ridiculous arguments.

yes, it is my opinion; just as you all have your opinions.

yes, professional women are honest for a capital price under our form of capitalism.

amateur women seem to prefer lies and liars to honesty, regardless of the lies they tell us guys. However, it is not immoral to be honest; only hypocrites are that clueless and that Causeless.

So, in your opinion, either there is a short conversation of "I want to have sex with you" or it is all dishonest??

LOL!!! So no attempt to determine if the other person is attractive to you? Yeah, I'm sure that is what you prefer.

But at least when you walk up to a woman and ask her to have sex, she is being honest when she tells you 'No'.

nope; just your straw man arguments. know how to tell stories?

 

[danielpalos]

how many women do it and are proud they didn't have to lie?

I have no idea because most people (male or female) don't do go up to people and ask for sex!
(unless they are asking a hooker)

Okay..... if a girl and a guy go on a date and, the girl wants to have a nice dinner, cuddle and have a massage but hold off on having sex..... are you saying she should state this up front? What if she doesn't even realize what she wants out of the date until they are well into the date? Maybe she would have wanted to have sex, but, for whatever reason, not up for it or just not into the guy....?

Alternatively, if the guy goes on a date only after sex, should he just state that up front?

Everybody knows guys want sex; it is up to women to "sell" their "relationship wares" if they are serious and not just all talk and no action.

If that is true, then both people must have something the other one wants. We know what the women have. But what are you offering? Besides petty cash.

i am not claiming i want a relationship and some women simply lie when they claim they want a serious, true love, one and only relationship.

You think they just say that cause they don't want to have sex?
You think most women really do want sex, but will lie to get out of having it with you?

no; i say that because they prefer lies and liars to honesty as a form of respect toward fellow human beings.

 

[danielpalos]

How is it not, dear; under Any form of Capitalism such as ours. Only the right is that cognitively dissonant.

Because we are discussing interpersonal relationships not commercial transactions.

And why do you keep mentioning cognitive dissonance? Why are you supposing is struggling with contradictory beliefs?

commercial transactions are interpersonal. i keep mentioning cognitive dissonance because it seems to be true, for those of the opposing view.

How so?

dear, trade involves a social transaction. it really is that simple, except to the right.

And the cognitive dissonance?

trade is not "impersonal" with any "emotional investment".

 

[WinterBorn]

If a girl walks up to a guy and says, I might be interested but not sure. I want to have about 20 dates, maybe we'll have sex maybe not..... will the guy ask her out? Depends if he likes a challenge.

Like all interpersonal relationships, it's "risk reward"

Men don't always get laid
Women don't always get prince charming and so on........

it is about honesty and not having to lie for sex, dear.

I was sitting here thinking. I am 55 years old and have had sex with quite a few ladies in my life. I don't recall lying to any of them. So you can have plenty of sex and be honest. But you have to have something to offer or have to develop the relationship, even if it is not a long term one.

 

[danielpalos]

well you 2 have fun....

run out of logic and reason so soon, dear?

 

[WinterBorn]

Yeah well, he also said he will not believe that women are serious about wanting equality until they walk up to him and ask to be used by him. So he is a bit of a sick fuck.

still full of fallacy?

What exactly was the fallacy in my post??

just an ad hominem with no reason.

No. It was a sharing of your nonsense. So others will be aware.

nope; just a fallacy. only the clueless and the Causeless don't get it.

Oh, so now you are claiming to know my motivations for posting? lol

 

[danielpalos]

If a girl walks up to a guy and says, I might be interested but not sure. I want to have about 20 dates, maybe we'll have sex maybe not..... will the guy ask her out? Depends if he likes a challenge.

Like all interpersonal relationships, it's "risk reward"

Men don't always get laid
Women don't always get prince charming and so on........

it is about honesty and not having to lie for sex, dear.

I was sitting here thinking. I am 55 years old and have had sex with quite a few ladies in my life. I don't recall lying to any of them. So you can have plenty of sex and be honest. But you have to have something to offer or have to develop the relationship, even if it is not a long term one.

i understand that. i merely don't want to play silly chic games if they aren't doing me everyday, and twice on Sundays.

 

[danielpalos]

still full of fallacy?

What exactly was the fallacy in my post??

just an ad hominem with no reason.

No. It was a sharing of your nonsense. So others will be aware.

nope; just a fallacy. only the clueless and the Causeless don't get it.

Oh, so now you are claiming to know my motivations for posting? lol

gossip much for pussy, dear?

 

[WinterBorn]

Because we are discussing interpersonal relationships not commercial transactions.

And why do you keep mentioning cognitive dissonance? Why are you supposing is struggling with contradictory beliefs?

commercial transactions are interpersonal. i keep mentioning cognitive dissonance because it seems to be true, for those of the opposing view.

How so?

dear, trade involves a social transaction. it really is that simple, except to the right.

And the cognitive dissonance?

trade is not "impersonal" with any "emotional investment".

Correct. But cognitive dissonance is about conflicting beliefs within a person. Who has such a conflict? I don't. I understand that there is a personal element to every social interaction, and even more with sexual interaction.

 

[WinterBorn]

If a girl walks up to a guy and says, I might be interested but not sure. I want to have about 20 dates, maybe we'll have sex maybe not..... will the guy ask her out? Depends if he likes a challenge.

Like all interpersonal relationships, it's "risk reward"

Men don't always get laid
Women don't always get prince charming and so on........

it is about honesty and not having to lie for sex, dear.

I was sitting here thinking. I am 55 years old and have had sex with quite a few ladies in my life. I don't recall lying to any of them. So you can have plenty of sex and be honest. But you have to have something to offer or have to develop the relationship, even if it is not a long term one.

i understand that. i merely don't want to play silly chic games if they aren't doing me everyday, and twice on Sundays.

Well, there are certain things that you must do in order to have something to offer the woman. You must be attractive and you must form some sort of line of trust. Otherwise she will not get naked with you. Being naked is being at her most vulnerable.

 

[danielpalos]

commercial transactions are interpersonal. i keep mentioning cognitive dissonance because it seems to be true, for those of the opposing view.

How so?

dear, trade involves a social transaction. it really is that simple, except to the right.

And the cognitive dissonance?

trade is not "impersonal" with any "emotional investment".

Correct. But cognitive dissonance is about conflicting beliefs within a person. Who has such a conflict? I don't. I understand that there is a personal element to every social interaction, and even more with sexual interaction.

that honesty is not the problem, dear. socialism requires social morals for free, unlike capitalism.

 

[WinterBorn]

What exactly was the fallacy in my post??

just an ad hominem with no reason.

No. It was a sharing of your nonsense. So others will be aware.

nope; just a fallacy. only the clueless and the Causeless don't get it.

Oh, so now you are claiming to know my motivations for posting? lol

gossip much for pussy, dear?

"...for pussy"? Now you are supposing I am doing so in an attempt to get pussy?

You are very inventive in your accusations. lol

 

[WinterBorn]

How so?

dear, trade involves a social transaction. it really is that simple, except to the right.

And the cognitive dissonance?

trade is not "impersonal" with any "emotional investment".

Correct. But cognitive dissonance is about conflicting beliefs within a person. Who has such a conflict? I don't. I understand that there is a personal element to every social interaction, and even more with sexual interaction.

that honesty is not the problem, dear. socialism requires social morals for free, unlike capitalism.

And when did we start discussing socialism?

I see that you have no reason for the use of the term "cognitive dissonance". I understand.

 

[ChrisL]

Goodness!!! How can anyone make any sense out of this nonsensical loon? You must speak crazy.

 

[danielpalos]

just an ad hominem with no reason.

No. It was a sharing of your nonsense. So others will be aware.

nope; just a fallacy. only the clueless and the Causeless don't get it.

Oh, so now you are claiming to know my motivations for posting? lol

gossip much for pussy, dear?

"...for pussy"? Now you are supposing I am doing so in an attempt to get pussy?

You are very inventive in your accusations. lol

no more "inventive" than yours, mr.deflector.