Shooter said to have changed magazines 5 times?

[martybegan]

This isn't confirmed other than a family member of one of the survivors stating it.....any thoughts? It looks like the weapon in question was a .45 Clock 21.....if he was shooting fast and didn't have good control would he have been creating failures to feed properly....and creating moments where an armed citizen could have stopped him?

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We will have to wait for more details....but from a concealed carry perspective.....what do you think?

Until more information is provided, all this is pointless speculation.

As a fact of law, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that limiting magazine capacity in any manner inhibits the ability of one to defend himself with a semi-automatic handgun:

“No evidence presented here suggests that the general ability of a person to defend him or herself is seriously diminished if magazines are limited to 15 rounds. Despite more than 40 years instructing individuals and law enforcement in defensive firearm use, the Plaintiffs’ expert witness, Massad Ayoob, identified only three anecdotal instances in which individuals engaging in defensive use of firearms fired more than 15 rounds, and not all of these successful defensive actions involved semiautomatic weapons.23 Of the many law enforcement officials called to testify, none were able to identify a single instance in which they were involved where a single civilian fired more than 15 shots in self-defense.”

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/2014_0401_coloradogunssuit.pdf

Not only does limiting magazine capacity have nothing to do with “anti gun extremists,” it also comports with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

Then the police should have no issue following the same magazine limits when on duty.

 

[Iceweasel]

As a fact of law, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that limiting magazine capacity in any manner inhibits the ability of one to defend himself with a semi-automatic handgun:

What an ignorant statement. You don't know how many rounds someone will need. There's no evidence that you know what you're talking about.

 

[2aguy]

Please clarify....

Man Shoots Himself At Easter Church Service, Tries To Hide Gun On Way Out

Man Shoots Himself ​

Accidental gun deaths in 2103.....505..

Population of the United States....over 320 milllion.......

 

[cnm]

Accidental gun deaths in 2103.....505..

Population of the United States....over 320 milllion.......

So do you reckon a shooter in the church would have managed to shoot him or her self in time to save some lives?

 

[prison/con.net]

I agree that double stack mags are pointless, but also agree that the cops should not have them, either.

 

[turtledude]

This isn't confirmed other than a family member of one of the survivors stating it.....any thoughts? It looks like the weapon in question was a .45 Clock 21.....if he was shooting fast and didn't have good control would he have been creating failures to feed properly....and creating moments where an armed citizen could have stopped him?

We are told by some anti gun extremists that limiting magazine capacity would save lives....it didn't here and if it is true he changed magazines several times. The anti gun extremists say that they could have rushed him or fled...did not happen here.

We will have to wait for more details....but from a concealed carry perspective.....what do you think?

Until more information is provided, all this is pointless speculation.

As a fact of law, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that limiting magazine capacity in any manner inhibits the ability of one to defend himself with a semi-automatic handgun:

“No evidence presented here suggests that the general ability of a person to defend him or herself is seriously diminished if magazines are limited to 15 rounds. Despite more than 40 years instructing individuals and law enforcement in defensive firearm use, the Plaintiffs’ expert witness, Massad Ayoob, identified only three anecdotal instances in which individuals engaging in defensive use of firearms fired more than 15 rounds, and not all of these successful defensive actions involved semiautomatic weapons.23 Of the many law enforcement officials called to testify, none were able to identify a single instance in which they were involved where a single civilian fired more than 15 shots in self-defense.”

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/2014_0401_coloradogunssuit.pdf

Not only does limiting magazine capacity have nothing to do with “anti gun extremists,” it also comports with Second Amendment jurisprudence.

no it doesn't and there is no rational reason for it. only a moron would believe criminals who cannot even own single shot guns will comply with something as idiotic as a magazine restriction.

 

[turtledude]

I agree that double stack mags are pointless, but also agree that the cops should not have them, either.

The 2A is about what the government cannot do-not what citizens can do

the government doesn't have the proper power to limit magazines. its not a power it legitimately has

and those who claim otherwise cannot tell us at what point a limit becomes a violation

 

[turtledude]

As a fact of law, however, there is no evidence whatsoever that limiting magazine capacity in any manner inhibits the ability of one to defend himself with a semi-automatic handgun:

What an ignorant statement. You don't know how many rounds someone will need. There's no evidence that you know what you're talking about.

clayton tries to play both sides of the aisle. His understanding of the constitution is a few degrees less than my Maine Coon Cat's

 

[2aguy]

Accidental gun deaths in 2103.....505..

Population of the United States....over 320 milllion.......

So do you reckon a shooter in the church would have managed to shoot him or her self in time to save some lives?

considering of the two church shootings where the people were disarmed...there were a total of 15 people killed, and in the three church shootings where the church goers had concealed guns on them only 2 people were killed.....I would say go back, do some research into self defense shotings, study what the experts have to say...and then form an opinion......speaking without knowing anything about the subject makes you look bad...

 

[2aguy]

I agree that double stack mags are pointless, but also agree that the cops should not have them, either.

why on earth are double stack mags pointless...I have a list of gun fights that went well over 10 rounds....