Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Silhouette]

"Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry." ...

Preserving a race of people isn't the same as discrimination. We have several breeds of goats for example and we try to keep their breed true to each one. We like them all equally but they all have different traits that are desireable in different situations. They all get to eat at the same hayrack, drink the same water, bed in the same barn and get all the same treats. We have some nice cross-breds too; and of course this is how one developes a new breed ultimately.

And I'm pretty sure that that old jewish law doesn't come with a warning to those who fail to do so and occasionally interbreed are condemned to hell forever, like the warning about failing to resist homosexuality in Jude 1 comes with...

 

[AmericanFirst]

This question can apply to all places of worship, so mosques, synagogues, hindu temples etc.

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Absolutely not.

Everyone should follow the laws of the land. Don't like them? Then get out. Churches shouldn't be exempt from taxes either.

What does traces have to do with this issue? Hint, nothing.

 

[protectionist]

The First Amendment forbids public law from forcing anything on religious institutions, just as it forbids religious institutions from imposing their will on the public.

So churches should have the right to discriminate against homosexuals?

How about against racial minorities as well?

Of course they should have the right to discriminate against homosexuals, in fact that ought to be required to do that (as was proposed in the Briggs Initiative in California, years ago)

PS - there is only one thing worse than a suit jacket without a collar and tie. That is a bald head with a mustache and goatee.

Wait, there is one thing even worse than that >> a bald head with a mustache and goatee, and holding a cigarette.

 

[protectionist]

When the state seeks to impose its will upon the churches of the land, bloodshed is a heartbeat away.

No. In our country, the state does not have the authority to dictate what the church must *allow*.

So if churches should be allowed refuse to marry homosexuals couples, should they be allowed to refuse to marry mixed race couples if it goes against their doctrine?

Stupid, senseless question. Homosexuality and race are two entirely different subjects.

 

[Seawytch]

When the state seeks to impose its will upon the churches of the land, bloodshed is a heartbeat away.



No. In our country, the state does not have the authority to dictate what the church must *allow*.

So if churches should be allowed refuse to marry homosexuals couples, should they be allowed to refuse to marry mixed race couples if it goes against their doctrine?

Stupid, senseless question. Homosexuality and race are two entirely different subjects.

It was a bad question because they do have the right not to perform interracial marriages. No church has to, by law, perform any ceremony against the tenants of their faith.

 

[BillyP]

Absolutely not.

Everyone should follow the laws of the land. Don't like them? Then get out. Churches shouldn't be exempt from taxes either.

What does traces have to do with this issue? Hint, nothing.

Traces? Wtf is that?

 

[Andylusion]

This question can apply to all places of worship, so mosques, synagogues, hindu temples etc.

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Absolutely not.

Everyone should follow the laws of the land. Don't like them? Then get out. Churches shouldn't be exempt from taxes either.

Yeah.... and religious freedom itself, was one of the primary founding ideals of this land. Most of us, and likely yourself, simply would not be here if not for that founding principal.

So here you are demanding that everyone obey the law of the land, when the founding laws of this land, were that people had religious freedom from government.

 

[Seawytch]

Absolutely not.

Everyone should follow the laws of the land. Don't like them? Then get out. Churches shouldn't be exempt from taxes either.

Yeah.... and religious freedom itself, was one of the primary founding ideals of this land. Most of us, and likely yourself, simply would not be here if not for that founding principal.

So here you are demanding that everyone obey the law of the land, when the founding laws of this land, were that people had religious freedom from government.

How do you not have religious freedom "from government", exactly?

 

[GISMYS]

THOSE LIVING IN THE SICK ABOMINATION OF SEXUAL PERVERSION GOD can free you from demon control,believe,confess and repent and accept JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR AND HE will forgive you and wash you clean. Lasciviousness is all lustful and sexual forms of perverseness. Its the loss of reason to bridle ones desires and causing one to adventure into any and all forms of lustful desires. Its having no control of and living with no boundaries. Lascivious is a demon. Theyre the demons that influence and control the mind of man, causing him not to accept any and all things that are of the natural or normal. For an example, its natural and normal for a man to only want a woman, and a woman to only want a man. But with this demon inside of you, he has your mind in a sexual perverseness of confusion. Thats why, it becomes normal to you if youre a man and want to lie down with a man, and vice versa for a woman being with a woman. Now you live your life with this spirit causing you to go against nature and God, therefore reaping up the Judgement of God against you. Another perfect plan of Satan and his demons.(Rom.1: 24-32/Gal.5: 19)

 

[Seawytch]

THOSE LIVING IN THE SICK ABOMINATION OF SEXUAL PERVERSION GOD can free you from demon control,believe,confess and repent and accept JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR AND HE will forgive you and wash you clean. Lasciviousness is all lustful and sexual forms of perverseness. Its the loss of reason to bridle ones desires and causing one to adventure into any and all forms of lustful desires. Its having no control of and living with no boundaries. Lascivious is a demon. Theyre the demons that influence and control the mind of man, causing him not to accept any and all things that are of the natural or normal. For an example, its natural and normal for a man to only want a woman, and a woman to only want a man. But with this demon inside of you, he has your mind in a sexual perverseness of confusion. Thats why, it becomes normal to you if youre a man and want to lie down with a man, and vice versa for a woman being with a woman. Now you live your life with this spirit causing you to go against nature and God, therefore reaping up the Judgement of God against you. Another perfect plan of Satan and his demons.(Rom.1: 24-32/Gal.5: 19)

“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.” ~ Lynn Lavner

 

[Seawytch]

 

[GISMYS]

Truth is Hate to those that Hate Truth!! ALMIGHTY GOD SAYS SEXUAL PERVERSION IS AN ABOMINATION!!!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

So, should we reverse all these changes?

 

[Seawytch]

 

[GISMYS]

ROFLMAO!!! SEXUAL PERVERTS COME IN ALL COLORS!!!and you??

 

[dblack]

ROFLMAO!!! SEXUAL PERVERTS COME IN ALL COLORS!!!and you??

It's true. I come in all colors! Taste the rainbow!

 

[GISMYS]

Satan only has power if you believe his lies! BELIEVER! PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD AND FIGHT EVIL== be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. 14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Ephesians 6:12-17

 

[emilynghiem]

If the authority empowered to "rent" out a church sign an agreement with a couple, they should honor the agreement regardless of their sexual orientation.

[MENTION=20614]candycorn[/MENTION]
if the conflict in beliefs
is between the "authority who signed the agreement"
and the other members/owners/leaders or others associated with that church,
shouldn't they resolve their issues first BEFORE signing a rental agreement with
same sex couples?

If that church or authority was "misled" to sign an agreement they didn't really agree to,
I don't think it is fair to force them to uphold it.

For example, if I didn't know the couple was an older person and an underaged minor who does not have parental consent either, if I found out later I would ask to void the agreement.

I just happen to respect consent of people and would not force people to uphold contracts they don't agree to, but support mediation to fix the problem where all people agree to the new solution. I don't believe in forced revocation or forcing a change to a contract, but any changes should be by consensus of the people affected.

If you are saying that a separate authority can rent out a church separately from the congregation members and their beliefs, I would still recommend an agreement with those members before doing anything controversial.

Maybe my standards are just different. I believe in resolving conflicts locally between the people directly involved, and not impose conflicts on the state to step in as a third party and decide for people. I believe in people forming their own policies by mediation, and whatever all people can agree needs to be legislated publicly that is authorized to govt.

Marriage is definitely a personal private decision and people should be empowered to handle it locally and not depend on the state for rights to it. That seems backwards to me.

 

[emilynghiem]

[MENTION=42952]GISMYS[/MENTION]
more specifically
1. if you have Fear
2. if you Unforgiveness
3. if you are Divided from some other person or group
then this is where "Satan" can play divide and conquer

the solutions:
1. perfect LOVE overcomes Fear
Love and faith in Truth overcomes Fear of the unknown
Love and faith in Justice overcomes Fear of change and loss of control to outside interests
Love and faith in Humanity overcomes Fear of conflict and confrontation
2. asking help with Forgiveness overcomes Unforgiveness
especially where we cannot forgive that is where we ask divine help beyond us
3. remembering that all people are included in God's plans or Universal Laws for humanity.
the Devil "divides" us in order to conquer by preventing unity that would correct problems

Satan only has power if you believe his lies! BELIEVER! PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD AND FIGHT EVIL== be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. 14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Ephesians 6:12-17

Standing firmly on God's laws that INCLUDE all people in the spiritual salvation process

GISMYS if your interpretation divides and leaves people out,
then the Devil is in the division in your mind. cast that "spirit of division and fear" out
and the Devil can no longer play your or your neighbors against each other.

YES the gentiles under secular/natural laws are SEPARATE as in DISTINCT (not "separated as in divided against") from
the believers under sacred laws, but Jesus governs both folds of the one flock.
so unite in Christ Jesus and the devil cannot play this division with fear and unforgiveness
to scatter and confuse the flock. Embrace and include, do not divide and conquer.

the corrections made in Christ Jesus are between Neighbors in Christ
who receive and correct each other as equal peers seeking truth.

 

[GISMYS]

[MENTION=42952]GISMYS[/MENTION]
more specifically
1. if you have Fear
2. if you Unforgiveness
3. if you are Divided from some other person or group
then this is where "Satan" can play divide and conquer

the solutions:
1. perfect LOVE overcomes Fear
Love and faith in Truth overcomes Fear of the unknown
Love and faith in Justice overcomes Fear of change and loss of control to outside interests
Love and faith in Humanity overcomes Fear of conflict and confrontation
2. asking help with Forgiveness overcomes Unforgiveness
especially where we cannot forgive that is where we ask divine help beyond us
3. remembering that all people are included in God's plans or Universal Laws for humanity.
the Devil "divides" us in order to conquer by preventing unity that would correct problems

Satan only has power if you believe his lies! BELIEVER! PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD AND FIGHT EVIL== be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. 14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Ephesians 6:12-17

Standing firmly on God's laws that INCLUDE all people in the spiritual salvation process

GISMYS if your interpretation divides and leaves people out,
then the Devil is in the division in your mind. cast that "spirit of division and fear" out
and the Devil can no longer play your or your neighbors against each other.

YES the gentiles under secular/natural laws are SEPARATE as in DISTINCT (not "separated as in divided against") from
the believers under sacred laws, but Jesus governs both folds of the one flock.
so unite in Christ Jesus and the devil cannot play this division with fear and unforgiveness
to scatter and confuse the flock. Embrace and include, do not divide and conquer.

the corrections made in Christ Jesus are between Neighbors in Christ
who receive and correct each other as equal peers seeking truth.

YES!!!""ALL"" who deny JEASUS AS KING OF KINGS, LORD OD LORDS and refuse to accept JESUS AS their SAVIOR ARE BOUND FOR THE ALL TO REAL HELL!!!and you??