Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

[GreatestIam]

[QUOTE="BlindBoo, post: 19394276, member: 25197

I think there are a lot of good people doing lots of good things involved in Churches. However I also think there are few bad people(relative to the good people) who do a lot of bad things. Does it equal out? I don't know. I do know we're all equal in the end.

How many good people would remain in a religion that victimises half the population with homophobic and misogynous teachings that deny so many full equality?

Not to mention the teaching that a genocidal God is somehow good. Hitler liked that part of Christianity.

Regards
DL

Hey look Frenchy, since God had a son he's mellowed out quite a bit and no longer goes on genocidal rampages.

I'm just saying that despite the obvious ridiculous belief in multiple supernatural beings, most Christians are good people, not wanting to be homophobic or misogynistic.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but they support a religion that does. Call them good if you like but they do not seem good enough to stop supporting a vile religion and their ideology.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

[QUOTE="BlindBoo, post: 19394276, member: 25197

I think there are a lot of good people doing lots of good things involved in Churches. However I also think there are few bad people(relative to the good people) who do a lot of bad things. Does it equal out? I don't know. I do know we're all equal in the end.

How many good people would remain in a religion that victimises half the population with homophobic and misogynous teachings that deny so many full equality?

Not to mention the teaching that a genocidal God is somehow good. Hitler liked that part of Christianity.

Regards
DL

Yes, the 'rationalists' always eventually out themselves as some sort of mentally ill deviants, of course. Oh, and HITLER!!! N STUFF!!!! lol lol so predictable, so pathetically stupid, like dumbass Burb Brat teenagers who worship Metallica or some other gimp band, and think they're kewl kidz.[/B][/QUOTE]

We all have some view of what an ideal ideology is. The religious ideal ideology is to deny many equality without a just cause.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Problem is the main religions would get done too.

I understand the situation. I fail to see the problem.

What problem do you see?

Regards
DL

Well, religions lie all the damn time. Basically, religions would end up in court with people suing them for being liars.

They'd be like "there's no God, you're telling people there's a God, and you're lying" and they'd ask the church to prove there's a God, and they wouldn't be able to.

Correct. Religions would have to admit that they and their clergy are perpetual liars as they make many claims without any facts to back them up.

What is foolish is people pay to be lied to.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Maybe the government should regulate science.

Oh hells, bells. Let's just regulate everything!!!

What area of actions within our nations do not have laws that control them?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

You sure don't have a very high opinion of Christians.

Any who do show respect for Christianity and Islam are showing how immoral their thinking is as they are showing respect for a religion that preaches homophobia and misogyny and respect for immoral fools who idol worships a genocidal son murdering God.

Tell us what you like about such a vile God.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

Government should not regulate religions. There is no need for the redundancy in your question.

Governments already regulate religions.

Just recently they came down of those who practice polygamy.

I think they should go further and stop the fraudsters and protect the most vulnerable and gullible victims of the con men religious fraudsters.

Do unto others should apply here but that morality is escaping most.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Actually once you know the truth the lies show themselves.

So how do you go about discovering objective truth?

You observe all the evidence you have, and figure it out.

Wrong.

I am beginning to think you don't know what objective means, Marty.

Truth doesn't have to be qualified. Something is true, or it is not, the issue is do we have enough evidence to figure it out.

Kind of like Shrodinger's cat.

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

Name one objective moral tenet.

Regards
DL

 

[BlindBoo]

[QUOTE="BlindBoo, post: 19394276, member: 25197

I think there are a lot of good people doing lots of good things involved in Churches. However I also think there are few bad people(relative to the good people) who do a lot of bad things. Does it equal out? I don't know. I do know we're all equal in the end.

How many good people would remain in a religion that victimises half the population with homophobic and misogynous teachings that deny so many full equality?

Not to mention the teaching that a genocidal God is somehow good. Hitler liked that part of Christianity.

Regards
DL

Hey look Frenchy, since God had a son he's mellowed out quite a bit and no longer goes on genocidal rampages.

I'm just saying that despite the obvious ridiculous belief in multiple supernatural beings, most Christians are good people, not wanting to be homophobic or misogynistic.

Sure, but they support a religion that does. Call them good if you like but they do not seem good enough to stop supporting a vile religion and their ideology.

Regards
DL[/QUOTE]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

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So how do you go about discovering objective truth?

You observe all the evidence you have, and figure it out.

Wrong.

I am beginning to think you don't know what objective means, Marty.

Truth doesn't have to be qualified. Something is true, or it is not, the issue is do we have enough evidence to figure it out.

Kind of like Shrodinger's cat.

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

 

[ding]

So how do you go about discovering objective truth?

You observe all the evidence you have, and figure it out.

Wrong.

I am beginning to think you don't know what objective means, Marty.

Truth doesn't have to be qualified. Something is true, or it is not, the issue is do we have enough evidence to figure it out.

Kind of like Shrodinger's cat.

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

Name one objective moral tenet.

Regards
DL

Virtue is the greatest organizing principle.

 

[martybegan]

You observe all the evidence you have, and figure it out.

Wrong.

I am beginning to think you don't know what objective means, Marty.

Truth doesn't have to be qualified. Something is true, or it is not, the issue is do we have enough evidence to figure it out.

Kind of like Shrodinger's cat.

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

It depends on the subject.

 

[ding]

Wrong.

I am beginning to think you don't know what objective means, Marty.

Truth doesn't have to be qualified. Something is true, or it is not, the issue is do we have enough evidence to figure it out.

Kind of like Shrodinger's cat.

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

It depends on the subject.

Exactly. But do you know why?

 

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You sure don't have a very high opinion of Christians.

Any who do show respect for Christianity and Islam are showing how immoral their thinking is as they are showing respect for a religion that preaches homophobia and misogyny and respect for immoral fools who idol worships a genocidal son murdering God.

Tell us what you like about such a vile God.

Regards
DL

That would be the opinion of a militant atheist.

 

[martybegan]

Truth doesn't have to be qualified. Something is true, or it is not, the issue is do we have enough evidence to figure it out.

Kind of like Shrodinger's cat.

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

It depends on the subject.

Exactly. But do you know why?

because it does?

I'm sure you will "enlighten" me.....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Just recently they came down of those who practice polygamy.

That's not regulation of religion. That is regulation of polygamy. You need to understand the difference.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

It depends on the subject.

Exactly. But do you know why?

because it does?

I'm sure you will "enlighten" me.....

He is a militant religious nutball. You should think twice before pushing his buttons.

 

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[ding]

Objective truth is arrived at through a conflict and confusion process because people tend to be subjective. The issue is never the evidence. It is always the subjectivity of the individual. Eliminate subjectivity.

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

It depends on the subject.

Exactly. But do you know why?

because it does?

I'm sure you will "enlighten" me.....

Not now. You can remain ignorant

 

[martybegan]

So eliminate human nature and the truth will find itself.

Any Vulcans around?

No. Incorrect. You do not need to eliminate human nature to be objective. In fact, I bet there are many things you are already objective about right now.

It depends on the subject.

Exactly. But do you know why?

because it does?

I'm sure you will "enlighten" me.....

He is a militant religious nutball. You should think twice before pushing his buttons.

I deal with militant atheist nutballs like JoeBlow all the time.

Meh.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Should Governments regulate fraudulent religions?

fraud laws - Google Search

Fraud is a broad term that refers to a variety of offenses involving dishonesty or "fraudulent acts". In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.

Most governments and countries have fraud laws of some kinds. They generally interfere with religious fraudsters only when physical harm is being done to our gullible citizens yet ignore the monetary theft that the fraudsters fleece from their victims. Prosperity ministries are the most flagrant of these immoral religions, but all religions based on demonstrable lies would be included in this question.

Our governments are quite good at acting against obvious fraudsters yet seem reluctant to protect our more gullible citizens when it comes down to religions.

Religions, to me, get a free pass to lie and steal all they can from victims, especially the older citizens even when governments know about the fraud.

I begin to see the inaction of governments on these religious fraudsters as a dereliction of duty.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Yes, all leftist cults such as manmade weather control, baby slicing, etc should be heavily regulated.