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No, just in general.Good point, but NOT because of the treatment --------- unless they put them on a respirator, that is. Murder devices, IMO.
why are you going to the most extreme example???If they need a liver transplant, and they refuse to give up drinking, they're refused that life-saving treatment.
I dunno. Down here blacks were statistically more unlikely to get vaccinated, but their reasons were different from white people who didn't get vaccinated. Blacks are increasingly getting vaccinated now. Rural white Mississippi is unvaccinated, and mostly hostile to masks. One of the schools just shut down for two weeks.I was stating that the problem is with white people being the majority of unvaccinated people in the country. If the goal is to get as many people vaccinated, then the biggest target should be the priority .
If native Hawaiins were the most hesitant group, getting 100% of them vaccinated wouldn't even move the needle on the unvaccinated population numbers.
The very fact that you say the efficacy is 40 percent means it absolutely is true.No, that's simply not true. Especially now since the efficacy is down below 40 percent.
I love how you idiots always go to the most extreme of examples when discussing minor issues,,,
Might be closer than you think -- I read today that one state (Florida?) has zero pediatric ICU beds open now. I am in fact expecting a bad panic from this surge by Delta as soon as the schools open and the kids infect each other and all the adults (vaccinated and not, because the vaccine doesn't work) and then what? Good point you are making --- we should watch what happens to prioritization if hospitals really do crash. Will they prioritize treatment to the people who were good little sheep and took the vaccine that doesn't work?No, just in general.
If we are talking about rationing care, which I think is still hypothetical, the ability for someone to survive is a factor in who gets limited resources. Therefore, since unvaccinated don’t have good or outcomes, it is conceivable they could be untreated in a situation of rationing care.
Why?Believe us when we say, "All you vaccinated automatons out there do not want to start classifying us unvaccinated as a separate class of human beings." You'll be very, very sorry Charlie.
Probably not true.They’re far less likely to be infected in the first place.
I dunno. I think it's gotta be first come, first served. I know people who couldn't shake drugs and alcohol for decades, but eventually it worked for some, and not for others. If someone has a legal right to a treatment, I don't see how we can deprive them of that just because we think it will not work as good for them as for someone else.No, just in general.
If we are talking about rationing care, which I think is still hypothetical, the ability for someone to survive is a factor in who gets limited resources. Therefore, since unvaccinated don’t have good or outcomes, it is conceivable they could be untreated in a situation of rationing care.
Everyone knows what triage is --- and it's a battlefield construct, or a disaster scene. What is the relevance here?Does anyone even know what TRIAGE is. . . and when did medical care become a sociopolitical construct?
Triage - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
you know what they say,,If your logic breaks down at the limits, you either have to qualify, or reject it.
Right, it's looking like Delta is an equal-opportunity infector.Probably not true.
IfIf someone has a legal right to a treatment, I don't see how we can deprive them of that just because we think it will not work as good for them as for someone else.
Hawaii just stopped tourist flights today. Their hospitals are getting overcrowded, mostly on Oahu. Things are getting weird out there ---If native Hawaiins were the most hesitant group, getting 100% of them vaccinated wouldn't even move the needle on the unvaccinated population numbers.
The very fact that you say the efficacy is 40 percent means it absolutely is true.
But that doesn’t even mention that efficacy is of getting COVID (and a statistic I would argue with isn’t necessarily accurate) and not a statistic of chance for dying of COVID.
Note the absolute refusal to actually address the OP question.When a responsible person gets a covid vaccine and needs life saving medical care, but the hospitals are full of the misguided non vaccinated. Somethings wrong . They won’t vaccinate but will beg for any treatment at the hospitals,
FDA approved or not, at that point.
We don't owe the unvaccinated priority on hospital care
People have a right to reject vaccination against COVID-19; no question.www.galvnews.com
No, just in general.
If we are talking about rationing care, which I think is still hypothetical, the ability for someone to survive is a factor in who gets limited resources. Therefore, since unvaccinated don’t have good or outcomes, it is conceivable they could be untreated in a situation of rationing care.
Yeah. . . but why are folks that refuse the vaccine also denied a place on waiting lists for organ transplants. . . that doesn't make much sense.If they need a liver transplant, and they refuse to give up drinking, they're refused that life-saving treatment.
It is also used when ER's are overloaded.Everyone knows what triage is --- and it's a battlefield construct, or a disaster scene. What is the relevance here?
