Should the GOP mention that hillary is married to the Waco mass murderer?

[Faun]

Fucktard, I see you want to be the last one to post, let's see if you can do it!...Firing on a TANK even for a shithead like you, is a useless affair, done to take out anger! The fucking FBI burned them all to a crisp, and NO, they couldn't leave the compound without being shot DEAD as in Ruby Ridge with the death of Weaver's son Sammy, his wife Vicki!.... You need some YouTube's to see citizens that gave up being EXECUTED by OUR POLICE?... How dumb can you get?

You are completely batshit insane. That's the only explanation. It doesn't matter if LEOs are in tanks or backed up in a perimeter or even in a bunker. If you're shooting a firearm at law enforcement, you'll be lucky to not wind up dead. No less while resisting arrest. As far as your insanity about them being shot dead had they come out ... flaming moron ... many of them came out. Some before that day and some on that day. Law enforcement didn't actually shoot a single one of them. Just how delusional are you? Seems you're incapable of forming a cogent argument; all you're armed with are hallucinations. Like it's OK to shoot at law enforcement as long as their in tanks, or that people setting themselves on fire are not committing suicide.

You dumb bitch, the FBI killed 6 of Branch Dravidians, and in the firefight 4 FBI were killed. Of course YOUR all for the brown shirts, you dirtbag, liberal cocksucker. You've seen them try to attack Bundy, you've seen them kill at Ruby Ridge, BUT you're such a fucking democratic fan boy, your little brain can't accept the TRUTH!

The Death Toll

This early picture of the children of the Henry family was published in Newsweek, May 17, 1993, pg. 50. All five--Diana, Paulina, Vanessa, Phillip, and Stephen--were killed during the Waco Holocaust.
We have noted before that, when talking about the numbers and identities of the Branch Davidians at the Mt. Carmel Center, the government's numbers do not add up. The death toll is a case in point.

We have also seen contemporaneous newspaper accounts that 14 Branch Davidians died the first day, and many more were injured. We have noted no newspaper accounts of injured persons coming out during the siege.
On April 22 several newspapers across the country quoted the FBI to the effect that 86 Branch Davidians had died during the fire. A list was published along with this statement. The image of the tally from the Washington Times is produced in FBI Partial List of Mt. Carmel Residents, April 21, 1993. The tally has been scanned as text and formatted for readability. This FBI release named:

• Two who were arrested on the first day
• 35 who left during the siege
• Nine who survived the fire
• 55 who were "unaccounted for"

This "information" is yet another piece of disinformation and an attempt to confuse.

The "unaccounted for," by definition, must be those people who were lost in the fire. Yet there were only 55 names in that list, not 86.
Of those 55 "unaccounted for" names, three were "reportedly" killed in February. Among those is the name of Michael Schroeder. Yet Michael Schroeder had been killed in an open field outside the Mt. Carmel Center--the Texas Rangers/FBI had authority over the body since February 28. There was no "reportedly" about it: Michael Schroeder was dead.
Compare the April 21 report with a report which appeared in the Dallas Morning News, April 10, 1993. In that report, the FBI said that six Branch Davidians died on February 28, attributing the source of the information to the Branch Davidians. Thus we see the figure of 14 dead among the Branch Davidians after the February 28 raid, cited in the Dallas Morning News, March 3, 1993 was "corrected." (See also Dallas Morning News Waco archive, March 3, 1993.)
The name, "Jillane Matthews," appears on the "unaccounted for" list. This is the first and last time a "Jillane Matthews" is mentioned; she is not on any list of the dead, and did not leave during the siege. Thus of the 55 names of persons on the "unaccounted for" list, three had died in February, one was possibly fictitious--that left 51 names available for fire victims. Yet the FBI claimed there were 86 fire victims. Again, the US had a number of sophisticated eavesdropping devices monitoring the Branch Davidians, informants among the Davidians, and unlimited access to the Branch Davidians who left during the siege. Through any of these means they must have had the names of those who were in the Mt. Carmel Center on April 19. The FBI obviously had the names of those who allegedly escaped the fire. Therefore, the names of those who died should have been immediately obvious. Why the reluctance to reveal those 30-odd missing names?

The Death Toll

Some liberals are just completely BRAIN DEAD and REFUSE TO QUESTION what is in front of their faces! Dumb bastards, these are the scum that have caused us to have the regime we have today...the 2 digit IQ crowd!

Your retarded non-sequitur aside, the religious nut Davidians torched themselves. Deal with it. Hell, even the video you posted acknowledges that, even if you are too stoopid to do so yourself.

 

[MikeK]

David Koresh was responsible for Waco. End of story....

Nah, V thinks he's a hero, who killed people, ran guns, and fucked little girls. His kind of guy apparently.

Those who, for peculiarly erotic subliminal reasons of their own, cling tenaciously to reports that Koresh was a child molester, baby rapist, etc., should know the Texas Department of Social Services' Child Protective Services thoroughly investigated those allegations on two occasions shorty before the raid took place. Also, the local sheriff, Jack Harwell, was first to investigate those rumors. Both entities determined the allegations to be unfounded. You will find some reliable news coverage of this and some more important facts about the Davidians and the Waco Massacre in the following collection of authoritative reports: Assault on Waco

If you are more comfortable believing otherwise that is your prerogative. But if you wish to learn the detailed facts about this tragic event in modern American history, I urge you to order (from Amazon) and read, A Place Called Waco, by David Thibodeau. He was there and his descriptions are supported with convincing evidence.

You should know the Press was sequestered at a place about a half mile away from the scene of the Waco stand-off. Reporters were not allowed anywhere near the scene, supposedly in the interest of "their own safety." Koresh had repeatedly asked to speak with the Press during the stand-off but his request was denied -- even though all the reporters present demanded to be permitted to enter the premises and meet with him. They, too, were denied what in fact was their Constitutional right to do.

Virtually every important element of this incident told to the American public by the BATF, the FBI/HRT, and by the Attorney General's office (Janet Reno) was a boldface lie! And the Waco "hearings" were a shameful cover-up of the outrage. The only penalties imposed on those responsible for this egregious act of federal oppression was the dismissal of two BATF agents -- both of whom were reinstated two years later with full back pay and benefits.

The bottom line this tragic story is the Branch Davidians had harmed no one. They were tormented for 51 days and finally burned to death because they stood their ground and refused to yield to oppressive federal authority.

 

[Faun]

David Koresh was responsible for Waco. End of story....

Nah, V thinks he's a hero, who killed people, ran guns, and fucked little girls. His kind of guy apparently.

Those who, for peculiarly erotic subliminal reasons of their own, cling tenaciously to reports that Koresh was a child molester, baby rapist, etc., should know the Texas Department of Social Services' Child Protective Services thoroughly investigated those allegations on two occasions shorty before the raid took place. Also, the local sheriff, Jack Harwell, was first to investigate those rumors. Both entities determined the allegations to be unfounded. You will find some reliable news coverage of this and some more important facts about the Davidians and the Waco Massacre in the following collection of authoritative reports: Assault on Waco

If you are more comfortable believing otherwise that is your prerogative. But if you wish to learn the detailed facts about this tragic event in modern American history, I urge you to order (from Amazon) and read, A Place Called Waco, by David Thibodeau. He was there and his descriptions are supported with convincing evidence.

You should know the Press was sequestered at a place about a half mile away from the scene of the Waco stand-off. Reporters were not allowed anywhere near the scene, supposedly in the interest of "their own safety." Koresh had repeatedly asked to speak with the Press during the stand-off but his request was denied -- even though all the reporters present demanded to be permitted to enter the premises and meet with him. They, too, were denied what in fact was their Constitutional right to do.

Virtually every important element of this incident told to the American public by the BATF, the FBI/HRT, and by the Attorney General's office (Janet Reno) was a boldface lie! And the Waco "hearings" were a shameful cover-up of the outrage. The only penalties imposed on those responsible for this egregious act of federal oppression was the dismissal of two BATF agents -- both of whom were reinstated two years later with full back pay and benefits.

The bottom line this tragic story is the Branch Davidians had harmed no one. They were tormented for 51 days and finally burned to death because they stood their ground and refused to yield to oppressive federal authority.

Umm, the guy you're referencing as a source of facts regarding Koresh, David Thibodeau, admitted Koresh was a pedophile. Who knows why Koresh still has faithful followers who still defend that roasted pedophile??

 

[bedowin62]

maybe he was a pedophile
so you burn him and all his people alive left-wing moron?

you realize groups ON THE LEFT LIKE NAMBLA want to LEGALIZE men having sex with little boys?

 

[Faun]

maybe he was a pedophile
so you burn him and all his people alive left-wing moron?

you realize groups ON THE LEFT LIKE NAMBLA want to LEGALIZE men having sex with little boys?

If Koresh and his fellow nutters didn't want to burn, then they wouldn't have doused the compound with fuel and lit it up. It was their choice to go out in an apocalyptic blaze.

 

[MikeK]

If Koresh and his fellow nutters didn't want to burn, then they wouldn't have doused the compound with fuel and lit it up. It was their choice to go out in an apocalyptic blaze.

Even if that were true it would have no bearing on who was ultimately responsible for the Waco Massacre. So forget about David Koresh and every adult member of the Branch Davidian sect and focus on the 21 children, some as young as two.

Imagine you are a police commander officiating at situation in which a man believed to be insane, along with several followers, was holding 21 children hostage in a wooden building. This crazy man reportedly has an enormous store of food and water and is refusing to surrender. He says he will set the building afire if any attempt is made to break in.

Keeping mind the safety of the 21 innocent children -- what would you do? Would you ram holes in the walls and insert flammable tear gas, and then toss in more military grade tear gas grenades that burn at 2200 degrees?

Would you do that? If not, what would you do?

 

[Faun]

If Koresh and his fellow nutters didn't want to burn, then they wouldn't have doused the compound with fuel and lit it up. It was their choice to go out in an apocalyptic blaze.

Even if that were true it would have no bearing on who was ultimately responsible for the Waco Massacre. So forget about David Koresh and every adult member of the Branch Davidian sect and focus on the 21 children, some as young as two.

Imagine you are a police commander officiating at situation in which a man believed to be insane, along with several followers, was holding 21 children hostage in a wooden building. This crazy man reportedly has an enormous store of food and water and is refusing to surrender. He says he will set the building afire if any attempt is made to break in.

Keeping mind the safety of the 21 innocent children -- what would you do? Would you ram holes in the walls and insert flammable tear gas, and then toss in more military grade tear gas grenades that burn at 2200 degrees?

Would you do that? If not, what would you do?

How long do you think the feds should have waited until the Davidians gave themselves up? And why so silent on Koresh's pedophilia after the surviving Davidian you held up as a paragon of facts on the events in that compound confirmed Koresh was having sex with girls as young as 12?

 

[MikeK]

Nah, V thinks he's a hero, who killed people, ran guns, and fucked little girls. His kind of guy apparently.

Those who, for peculiarly erotic subliminal reasons of their own, cling tenaciously to reports that Koresh was a child molester, baby rapist, etc., should know the Texas Department of Social Services' Child Protective Services thoroughly investigated those allegations on two occasions shorty before the raid took place. Also, the local sheriff, Jack Harwell, was first to investigate those rumors. Both entities determined the allegations to be unfounded. You will find some reliable news coverage of this and some more important facts about the Davidians and the Waco Massacre in the following collection of authoritative reports: Assault on Waco

If you are more comfortable believing otherwise that is your prerogative. But if you wish to learn the detailed facts about this tragic event in modern American history, I urge you to order (from Amazon) and read, A Place Called Waco, by David Thibodeau. He was there and his descriptions are supported with convincing evidence.

You should know the Press was sequestered at a place about a half mile away from the scene of the Waco stand-off. Reporters were not allowed anywhere near the scene, supposedly in the interest of "their own safety." Koresh had repeatedly asked to speak with the Press during the stand-off but his request was denied -- even though all the reporters present demanded to be permitted to enter the premises and meet with him. They, too, were denied what in fact was their Constitutional right to do.

Virtually every important element of this incident told to the American public by the BATF, the FBI/HRT, and by the Attorney General's office (Janet Reno) was a boldface lie! And the Waco "hearings" were a shameful cover-up of the outrage. The only penalties imposed on those responsible for this egregious act of federal oppression was the dismissal of two BATF agents -- both of whom were reinstated two years later with full back pay and benefits.

The bottom line this tragic story is the Branch Davidians had harmed no one. They were tormented for 51 days and finally burned to death because they stood their ground and refused to yield to oppressive federal authority.

Umm, the guy you're referencing as a source of facts regarding Koresh, David Thibodeau, admitted Koresh was a pedophile. Who knows why Koresh still has faithful followers who still defend that roasted pedophile??

I did read and acknowledge that. But Thibodeau expressed an opinion without offering a shred of evidence to support that specific notion, so I choose to focus on what the local sheriff and the Texas Child Protective Services had to say about those rumors. I can't believe both, so I find the latter source to be more convincing.

As to all the relevant circumstances concerning the actual raid and the events leading up to the fire, everything Thibodeau has to say about them is supported by verifiable evidence and testimony. If he provided anything more than his opinion that Koresh was a pedophile I would have no reason to ignore it, because it has no bearing on responsibility for the raid and its outcome. Koresh was a bizarre character. No doubt about it. BATF and FBI/HRT made it very clear from the outset they believed him to be a psycho. Yet they ignored the safety of those kids and did exactly what placed their lives in mortal jeopardy.

That is my only point -- not whether or not Koresh was sexually perverted. If you're inclined to believe he was a pedophile, that's fine with me. Contrary to what your comment implies I have no special regard for Koresh. I'm concerned with whom you believe was responsible for the raid, the stand-off, and for the death of those innocent, helpless kids.

If one or more of those kids were yours, and you were present at the stand-off, and you heard the FBI/HRT was planning to ram the building with a tank and pump gas in, what would you do? And why?

 

[Faun]

Those who, for peculiarly erotic subliminal reasons of their own, cling tenaciously to reports that Koresh was a child molester, baby rapist, etc., should know the Texas Department of Social Services' Child Protective Services thoroughly investigated those allegations on two occasions shorty before the raid took place. Also, the local sheriff, Jack Harwell, was first to investigate those rumors. Both entities determined the allegations to be unfounded. You will find some reliable news coverage of this and some more important facts about the Davidians and the Waco Massacre in the following collection of authoritative reports: Assault on Waco

If you are more comfortable believing otherwise that is your prerogative. But if you wish to learn the detailed facts about this tragic event in modern American history, I urge you to order (from Amazon) and read, A Place Called Waco, by David Thibodeau. He was there and his descriptions are supported with convincing evidence.

You should know the Press was sequestered at a place about a half mile away from the scene of the Waco stand-off. Reporters were not allowed anywhere near the scene, supposedly in the interest of "their own safety." Koresh had repeatedly asked to speak with the Press during the stand-off but his request was denied -- even though all the reporters present demanded to be permitted to enter the premises and meet with him. They, too, were denied what in fact was their Constitutional right to do.

Virtually every important element of this incident told to the American public by the BATF, the FBI/HRT, and by the Attorney General's office (Janet Reno) was a boldface lie! And the Waco "hearings" were a shameful cover-up of the outrage. The only penalties imposed on those responsible for this egregious act of federal oppression was the dismissal of two BATF agents -- both of whom were reinstated two years later with full back pay and benefits.

The bottom line this tragic story is the Branch Davidians had harmed no one. They were tormented for 51 days and finally burned to death because they stood their ground and refused to yield to oppressive federal authority.

Umm, the guy you're referencing as a source of facts regarding Koresh, David Thibodeau, admitted Koresh was a pedophile. Who knows why Koresh still has faithful followers who still defend that roasted pedophile??

I did read and acknowledge that. But Thibodeau expressed that opinion without offering a shred of evidence to support that specific notion, so I choose to focus on what the local sheriff and the Texas Child Protective Services had to say about those rumors. I can't believe both, so I find the latter source to be more convincing.

As to all the relevant circumstances concerning the actual raid and the events leading up to the fire, everything Thibodeau has to say about them is supported by verifiable evidence and testimony. If he provided anything more than his opinion that Koresh was a pedophile I would have no reason to ignore it, because it has no bearing on responsibility for the raid and its outcome. Koresh was a bizarre character. No doubt about it. BATF and FBI/HRT made it very clear from the outset they believed him to be a psycho. Yet they ignored the safety of those kids and did exactly what placed their lives in mortal jeopardy.

That is my only point -- not whether or not Koresh was sexually perverted. If you're inclined to believe he was a pedophile, that's fine with me. I have no special regard for Koresh. I'm concerned with whom you believe was responsible for the raid, the stand-off, and for the death of those innocent, helpless kids.

If one or more of those kids were yours, and you were present at the stand-off, and you heard the FBI/HRT was planning to ram the building with a tank and pump gas in, what would you do? And why?

I've already made my opinion clear ... I hold the parents and Koresh responsible. They were the ones keeping the kids' in a dangerous situation for no good reason and they were the ones to torch that compound to the ground. Roasting almost everyone inside and shooting many others.

Again, how much longer do you think authorities should have waited until the Davidians turned themselves in?

 

[MikeK]

If Koresh and his fellow nutters didn't want to burn, then they wouldn't have doused the compound with fuel and lit it up. It was their choice to go out in an apocalyptic blaze.

Even if that were true it would have no bearing on who was ultimately responsible for the Waco Massacre. So forget about David Koresh and every adult member of the Branch Davidian sect and focus on the 21 children, some as young as two.

Imagine you are a police commander officiating at situation in which a man believed to be insane, along with several followers, was holding 21 children hostage in a wooden building. This crazy man reportedly has an enormous store of food and water and is refusing to surrender. He says he will set the building afire if any attempt is made to break in.

Keeping mind the safety of the 21 innocent children -- what would you do? Would you ram holes in the walls and insert flammable tear gas, and then toss in more military grade tear gas grenades that burn at 2200 degrees?

Would you do that? If not, what would you do?

How long do you think the feds should have waited until the Davidians gave themselves up? And why so silent on Koresh's pedophilia after the surviving Davidian you held up as a paragon of facts on the events in that compound confirmed Koresh was having sex with girls as young as 12?

If some of those kids were yours how long would you be willing to wait? And because the authorities had investigated the pedophile charges and found them unfounded I regard Thibodeau's opinion of Koresh's sexuality quite secondary to the main issue, which was the raid and its tragic finale.

So instead of answering my question with a question why not tell us what you would have done.

 

[Faun]

Even if that were true it would have no bearing on who was ultimately responsible for the Waco Massacre. So forget about David Koresh and every adult member of the Branch Davidian sect and focus on the 21 children, some as young as two.

Imagine you are a police commander officiating at situation in which a man believed to be insane, along with several followers, was holding 21 children hostage in a wooden building. This crazy man reportedly has an enormous store of food and water and is refusing to surrender. He says he will set the building afire if any attempt is made to break in.

Keeping mind the safety of the 21 innocent children -- what would you do? Would you ram holes in the walls and insert flammable tear gas, and then toss in more military grade tear gas grenades that burn at 2200 degrees?

Would you do that? If not, what would you do?

How long do you think the feds should have waited until the Davidians gave themselves up? And why so silent on Koresh's pedophilia after the surviving Davidian you held up as a paragon of facts on the events in that compound confirmed Koresh was having sex with girls as young as 12?

If some of those kids were yours how long would you be willing to wait? And because the authorities had investigated the pedophile charges and found them unfounded I regard Thibodeau's opinion of Koresh's sexuality quite secondary to the main issue, which was the raid and its tragic finale.

So instead of answering my question with a question why not tell us what you would have done.

I would have done what the FBI did, only I wouldn't have waited 51 days. Maybe a week; two at best. And if they were my kids, I would have gotten hem out of the house early on. In reality, I would have recognized what a freak Koresh was and gotten my kids out before Koresh could have raped them.

For the 3rd time ... how much longer do you think the authorities should have waited until the Davidians decided to give themselves up?

 

[Vigilante]

Nah, V thinks he's a hero, who killed people, ran guns, and fucked little girls. His kind of guy apparently.

But PMS, even the court said he wasn't guilty...more revisionist history?

Actually the court didn't say anything of the kind. It said they didn't have enough to say that. Now that his ass is dead I however do.

In other words, he was EXONORATED....Thanks for playing!

 

[Freewill]

If Koresh and his fellow nutters didn't want to burn, then they wouldn't have doused the compound with fuel and lit it up. It was their choice to go out in an apocalyptic blaze.

Even if that were true it would have no bearing on who was ultimately responsible for the Waco Massacre. So forget about David Koresh and every adult member of the Branch Davidian sect and focus on the 21 children, some as young as two.

Imagine you are a police commander officiating at situation in which a man believed to be insane, along with several followers, was holding 21 children hostage in a wooden building. This crazy man reportedly has an enormous store of food and water and is refusing to surrender. He says he will set the building afire if any attempt is made to break in.

Keeping mind the safety of the 21 innocent children -- what would you do? Would you ram holes in the walls and insert flammable tear gas, and then toss in more military grade tear gas grenades that burn at 2200 degrees?

Would you do that? If not, what would you do?

How long do you think the feds should have waited until the Davidians gave themselves up? And why so silent on Koresh's pedophilia after the surviving Davidian you held up as a paragon of facts on the events in that compound confirmed Koresh was having sex with girls as young as 12?

By what I saw the ATF didn't wait a minute they raided the compound on the very first day. You saw the pictures of the ATF breaking in a window from the roof top. Firing indiscriminately into the building. Why in the hell must Americans be subjected to such a thing? If we seen the same scenes from Russia we would be shaking our heads at the such treatment of their citizens.

A lot of the people had already left. What I would have done is cleared a area around the compound, which they had already done. Put up a fence and with minimum security they would have effectively been put in jail. Then I would have had zero contact with them. None NADA, Zip. I would have offered medial care to anyone who came out especially the children. After no attention being paid to them I am betting they would have left.

What the FBI did do was a disaster which shouldn't have happened. The question shouldn't be how long should they have waited but what could they have done differently.

 

[Freewill]

Umm, the guy you're referencing as a source of facts regarding Koresh, David Thibodeau, admitted Koresh was a pedophile. Who knows why Koresh still has faithful followers who still defend that roasted pedophile??

I did read and acknowledge that. But Thibodeau expressed that opinion without offering a shred of evidence to support that specific notion, so I choose to focus on what the local sheriff and the Texas Child Protective Services had to say about those rumors. I can't believe both, so I find the latter source to be more convincing.

As to all the relevant circumstances concerning the actual raid and the events leading up to the fire, everything Thibodeau has to say about them is supported by verifiable evidence and testimony. If he provided anything more than his opinion that Koresh was a pedophile I would have no reason to ignore it, because it has no bearing on responsibility for the raid and its outcome. Koresh was a bizarre character. No doubt about it. BATF and FBI/HRT made it very clear from the outset they believed him to be a psycho. Yet they ignored the safety of those kids and did exactly what placed their lives in mortal jeopardy.

That is my only point -- not whether or not Koresh was sexually perverted. If you're inclined to believe he was a pedophile, that's fine with me. I have no special regard for Koresh. I'm concerned with whom you believe was responsible for the raid, the stand-off, and for the death of those innocent, helpless kids.

If one or more of those kids were yours, and you were present at the stand-off, and you heard the FBI/HRT was planning to ram the building with a tank and pump gas in, what would you do? And why?

I've already made my opinion clear ... I hold the parents and Koresh responsible. They were the ones keeping the kids' in a dangerous situation for no good reason and they were the ones to torch that compound to the ground. Roasting almost everyone inside and shooting many others.

Again, how much longer do you think authorities should have waited until the Davidians turned themselves in?

The only danger was from the government, and yeah they were apparently shooting as seen in the several videos provided.

 

[Vigilante]

You are completely batshit insane. That's the only explanation. It doesn't matter if LEOs are in tanks or backed up in a perimeter or even in a bunker. If you're shooting a firearm at law enforcement, you'll be lucky to not wind up dead. No less while resisting arrest. As far as your insanity about them being shot dead had they come out ... flaming moron ... many of them came out. Some before that day and some on that day. Law enforcement didn't actually shoot a single one of them. Just how delusional are you? Seems you're incapable of forming a cogent argument; all you're armed with are hallucinations. Like it's OK to shoot at law enforcement as long as their in tanks, or that people setting themselves on fire are not committing suicide.

You dumb bitch, the FBI killed 6 of Branch Dravidians, and in the firefight 4 FBI were killed. Of course YOUR all for the brown shirts, you dirtbag, liberal cocksucker. You've seen them try to attack Bundy, you've seen them kill at Ruby Ridge, BUT you're such a fucking democratic fan boy, your little brain can't accept the TRUTH!

The Death Toll

This early picture of the children of the Henry family was published in Newsweek, May 17, 1993, pg. 50. All five--Diana, Paulina, Vanessa, Phillip, and Stephen--were killed during the Waco Holocaust.
We have noted before that, when talking about the numbers and identities of the Branch Davidians at the Mt. Carmel Center, the government's numbers do not add up. The death toll is a case in point.

We have also seen contemporaneous newspaper accounts that 14 Branch Davidians died the first day, and many more were injured. We have noted no newspaper accounts of injured persons coming out during the siege.
On April 22 several newspapers across the country quoted the FBI to the effect that 86 Branch Davidians had died during the fire. A list was published along with this statement. The image of the tally from the Washington Times is produced in FBI Partial List of Mt. Carmel Residents, April 21, 1993. The tally has been scanned as text and formatted for readability. This FBI release named:

• Two who were arrested on the first day
• 35 who left during the siege
• Nine who survived the fire
• 55 who were "unaccounted for"

This "information" is yet another piece of disinformation and an attempt to confuse.

The "unaccounted for," by definition, must be those people who were lost in the fire. Yet there were only 55 names in that list, not 86.
Of those 55 "unaccounted for" names, three were "reportedly" killed in February. Among those is the name of Michael Schroeder. Yet Michael Schroeder had been killed in an open field outside the Mt. Carmel Center--the Texas Rangers/FBI had authority over the body since February 28. There was no "reportedly" about it: Michael Schroeder was dead.
Compare the April 21 report with a report which appeared in the Dallas Morning News, April 10, 1993. In that report, the FBI said that six Branch Davidians died on February 28, attributing the source of the information to the Branch Davidians. Thus we see the figure of 14 dead among the Branch Davidians after the February 28 raid, cited in the Dallas Morning News, March 3, 1993 was "corrected." (See also Dallas Morning News Waco archive, March 3, 1993.)
The name, "Jillane Matthews," appears on the "unaccounted for" list. This is the first and last time a "Jillane Matthews" is mentioned; she is not on any list of the dead, and did not leave during the siege. Thus of the 55 names of persons on the "unaccounted for" list, three had died in February, one was possibly fictitious--that left 51 names available for fire victims. Yet the FBI claimed there were 86 fire victims. Again, the US had a number of sophisticated eavesdropping devices monitoring the Branch Davidians, informants among the Davidians, and unlimited access to the Branch Davidians who left during the siege. Through any of these means they must have had the names of those who were in the Mt. Carmel Center on April 19. The FBI obviously had the names of those who allegedly escaped the fire. Therefore, the names of those who died should have been immediately obvious. Why the reluctance to reveal those 30-odd missing names?

The Death Toll

Some liberals are just completely BRAIN DEAD and REFUSE TO QUESTION what is in front of their faces! Dumb bastards, these are the scum that have caused us to have the regime we have today...the 2 digit IQ crowd!

Your retarded non-sequitur aside, the religious nut Davidians torched themselves. Deal with it. Hell, even the video you posted acknowledges that, even if you are too stoopid to do so yourself.

And that has WHAT to do with the FBI KILLING all those people, shit for brains? After sitting on them for 51 days, they decided it was time to KILL THEM.... What would another few months matter at that time to have these children still alive! You're another scumbag that only cares about YOUR SUBVERSIVE ideology!

 

[Freewill]

You dumb bitch, the FBI killed 6 of Branch Dravidians, and in the firefight 4 FBI were killed. Of course YOUR all for the brown shirts, you dirtbag, liberal cocksucker. You've seen them try to attack Bundy, you've seen them kill at Ruby Ridge, BUT you're such a fucking democratic fan boy, your little brain can't accept the TRUTH!

The Death Toll

This early picture of the children of the Henry family was published in Newsweek, May 17, 1993, pg. 50. All five--Diana, Paulina, Vanessa, Phillip, and Stephen--were killed during the Waco Holocaust.
We have noted before that, when talking about the numbers and identities of the Branch Davidians at the Mt. Carmel Center, the government's numbers do not add up. The death toll is a case in point.

We have also seen contemporaneous newspaper accounts that 14 Branch Davidians died the first day, and many more were injured. We have noted no newspaper accounts of injured persons coming out during the siege.
On April 22 several newspapers across the country quoted the FBI to the effect that 86 Branch Davidians had died during the fire. A list was published along with this statement. The image of the tally from the Washington Times is produced in FBI Partial List of Mt. Carmel Residents, April 21, 1993. The tally has been scanned as text and formatted for readability. This FBI release named:

• Two who were arrested on the first day
• 35 who left during the siege
• Nine who survived the fire
• 55 who were "unaccounted for"

This "information" is yet another piece of disinformation and an attempt to confuse.

The "unaccounted for," by definition, must be those people who were lost in the fire. Yet there were only 55 names in that list, not 86.
Of those 55 "unaccounted for" names, three were "reportedly" killed in February. Among those is the name of Michael Schroeder. Yet Michael Schroeder had been killed in an open field outside the Mt. Carmel Center--the Texas Rangers/FBI had authority over the body since February 28. There was no "reportedly" about it: Michael Schroeder was dead.
Compare the April 21 report with a report which appeared in the Dallas Morning News, April 10, 1993. In that report, the FBI said that six Branch Davidians died on February 28, attributing the source of the information to the Branch Davidians. Thus we see the figure of 14 dead among the Branch Davidians after the February 28 raid, cited in the Dallas Morning News, March 3, 1993 was "corrected." (See also Dallas Morning News Waco archive, March 3, 1993.)
The name, "Jillane Matthews," appears on the "unaccounted for" list. This is the first and last time a "Jillane Matthews" is mentioned; she is not on any list of the dead, and did not leave during the siege. Thus of the 55 names of persons on the "unaccounted for" list, three had died in February, one was possibly fictitious--that left 51 names available for fire victims. Yet the FBI claimed there were 86 fire victims. Again, the US had a number of sophisticated eavesdropping devices monitoring the Branch Davidians, informants among the Davidians, and unlimited access to the Branch Davidians who left during the siege. Through any of these means they must have had the names of those who were in the Mt. Carmel Center on April 19. The FBI obviously had the names of those who allegedly escaped the fire. Therefore, the names of those who died should have been immediately obvious. Why the reluctance to reveal those 30-odd missing names?

The Death Toll

Some liberals are just completely BRAIN DEAD and REFUSE TO QUESTION what is in front of their faces! Dumb bastards, these are the scum that have caused us to have the regime we have today...the 2 digit IQ crowd!

Your retarded non-sequitur aside, the religious nut Davidians torched themselves. Deal with it. Hell, even the video you posted acknowledges that, even if you are too stoopid to do so yourself.

And that has WHAT to do with the FBI KILLING all those people, shit for brains? After sitting on them for 51 days, they decided it was time to KILL THEM.... What would another few months matter at that time to have these children still alive! You're another scumbag that only cares about YOUR SUBVERSIVE ideology!

I think one telling bit was when the negotiator told them they could leave, then told them that they had changed their mind and anyone who tried to leave would, implied, be shot. It is in the video.

 

[Faun]

You dumb bitch, the FBI killed 6 of Branch Dravidians, and in the firefight 4 FBI were killed. Of course YOUR all for the brown shirts, you dirtbag, liberal cocksucker. You've seen them try to attack Bundy, you've seen them kill at Ruby Ridge, BUT you're such a fucking democratic fan boy, your little brain can't accept the TRUTH!

The Death Toll

This early picture of the children of the Henry family was published in Newsweek, May 17, 1993, pg. 50. All five--Diana, Paulina, Vanessa, Phillip, and Stephen--were killed during the Waco Holocaust.
We have noted before that, when talking about the numbers and identities of the Branch Davidians at the Mt. Carmel Center, the government's numbers do not add up. The death toll is a case in point.

We have also seen contemporaneous newspaper accounts that 14 Branch Davidians died the first day, and many more were injured. We have noted no newspaper accounts of injured persons coming out during the siege.
On April 22 several newspapers across the country quoted the FBI to the effect that 86 Branch Davidians had died during the fire. A list was published along with this statement. The image of the tally from the Washington Times is produced in FBI Partial List of Mt. Carmel Residents, April 21, 1993. The tally has been scanned as text and formatted for readability. This FBI release named:

• Two who were arrested on the first day
• 35 who left during the siege
• Nine who survived the fire
• 55 who were "unaccounted for"

This "information" is yet another piece of disinformation and an attempt to confuse.

The "unaccounted for," by definition, must be those people who were lost in the fire. Yet there were only 55 names in that list, not 86.
Of those 55 "unaccounted for" names, three were "reportedly" killed in February. Among those is the name of Michael Schroeder. Yet Michael Schroeder had been killed in an open field outside the Mt. Carmel Center--the Texas Rangers/FBI had authority over the body since February 28. There was no "reportedly" about it: Michael Schroeder was dead.
Compare the April 21 report with a report which appeared in the Dallas Morning News, April 10, 1993. In that report, the FBI said that six Branch Davidians died on February 28, attributing the source of the information to the Branch Davidians. Thus we see the figure of 14 dead among the Branch Davidians after the February 28 raid, cited in the Dallas Morning News, March 3, 1993 was "corrected." (See also Dallas Morning News Waco archive, March 3, 1993.)
The name, "Jillane Matthews," appears on the "unaccounted for" list. This is the first and last time a "Jillane Matthews" is mentioned; she is not on any list of the dead, and did not leave during the siege. Thus of the 55 names of persons on the "unaccounted for" list, three had died in February, one was possibly fictitious--that left 51 names available for fire victims. Yet the FBI claimed there were 86 fire victims. Again, the US had a number of sophisticated eavesdropping devices monitoring the Branch Davidians, informants among the Davidians, and unlimited access to the Branch Davidians who left during the siege. Through any of these means they must have had the names of those who were in the Mt. Carmel Center on April 19. The FBI obviously had the names of those who allegedly escaped the fire. Therefore, the names of those who died should have been immediately obvious. Why the reluctance to reveal those 30-odd missing names?

The Death Toll

Some liberals are just completely BRAIN DEAD and REFUSE TO QUESTION what is in front of their faces! Dumb bastards, these are the scum that have caused us to have the regime we have today...the 2 digit IQ crowd!

Your retarded non-sequitur aside, the religious nut Davidians torched themselves. Deal with it. Hell, even the video you posted acknowledges that, even if you are too stoopid to do so yourself.

And that has WHAT to do with the FBI KILLING all those people, shit for brains? After sitting on them for 51 days, they decided it was time to KILL THEM.... What would another few months matter at that time to have these children still alive! You're another scumbag that only cares about YOUR SUBVERSIVE ideology!

You're just too insane for words. The Davidians doused that compound with fuel and the Davidians started fires around the compound to burn it down to the ground. The Davidians killed themselves.

Your idiocy is the equivalent of blaming the police for the death of an armed assailant who shoots himself after being surrounded by police as they move in to arrest him.

 

[Freewill]

Your retarded non-sequitur aside, the religious nut Davidians torched themselves. Deal with it. Hell, even the video you posted acknowledges that, even if you are too stoopid to do so yourself.

And that has WHAT to do with the FBI KILLING all those people, shit for brains? After sitting on them for 51 days, they decided it was time to KILL THEM.... What would another few months matter at that time to have these children still alive! You're another scumbag that only cares about YOUR SUBVERSIVE ideology!

You're just too insane for words. The Davidians doused that compound with fuel and the Davidians started fires around the compound to burn it down to the ground. The Davidians killed themselves.

Your idiocy is the equivalent of blaming the police for the death of an armed assailant who shoots himself after being surrounded by police as they move in to arrest him.

do you have any direct proof of your claim? Yes there is audio of them saying things like poor it out but do you have proof they torched the entire building, killing themselves in the process? Who does such a thing, especially to children? Do you have proof that the FBI lied about using incendiary devices? Why yes you do and it was no thanks to the FBI or the ATF that you do know. You only know what the government is telling you or what someone who dug into it a bit found out by looking at the evidence. You seem to believe the former without question and doubt the latter for some unknown reason. I think because it is easier just to believe what the government told you.

 

[Faun]

And that has WHAT to do with the FBI KILLING all those people, shit for brains? After sitting on them for 51 days, they decided it was time to KILL THEM.... What would another few months matter at that time to have these children still alive! You're another scumbag that only cares about YOUR SUBVERSIVE ideology!

You're just too insane for words. The Davidians doused that compound with fuel and the Davidians started fires around the compound to burn it down to the ground. The Davidians killed themselves.

Your idiocy is the equivalent of blaming the police for the death of an armed assailant who shoots himself after being surrounded by police as they move in to arrest him.

do you have any direct proof of your claim? Yes there is audio of them saying things like poor it out but do you have proof they torched the entire building, killing themselves in the process? Who does such a thing, especially to children? Do you have proof that the FBI lied about using incendiary devices? Why yes you do and it was no thanks to the FBI or the ATF that you do know. You only know what the government is telling you or what someone who dug into it a bit found out by looking at the evidence. You seem to believe the former without question and doubt the latter for some unknown reason. I think because it is easier just to believe what the government told you.

There's the audio evidence, there's the confession from survivers, there's the corroboration from those who investigated it such as McNulty, and there's the eye-witness account which corroborates those other pieces of evidence where we saw the compound spontaneously erupt into flames from no less than 3 different locations around the compound. Do you understand that? The fire didn't spread from one location to the others ... several individual fires erupted independently from each other. And stop with your silly strawman about how I'm listening to the government. None of the evidence I mentioned is the government telling me the Davidians started the fires.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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You're just too insane for words. The Davidians doused that compound with fuel and the Davidians started fires around the compound to burn it down to the ground. The Davidians killed themselves.

You're the insane one. Mass suicide is rare but mass suicide by flame is unheard of. It's impossible to find 80 people who choose to die in such a horrible way.

You were exposed as a paid govt shill long ago.