Should the poor be required to pay taxes to the IRS?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Without getting it all back via carve outs & loop holes? Should they pay their fair share?

Yes. The same percentage as everyone else. Flat tax. No exemptions,or deductions.

I'd be fine with a flat tax that kicks in after a certain amount. Say all income is tax free up to $50,000 a year and then after that every dollar is subjected to a 15% flat tax.

50k?
Wtf
You just tax exempted more than half the country. Exempting anything below the poverty level perhaps but 50k? Gtfo with that stupidity

 

[Derideo_Te]

Without getting it all back via carve outs & loop holes? Should they pay their fair share?

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

But interesting how you attack the poor demanding that they pay their "fair share" while ignoring the wealthy who are paying far less than their "fair share".

What the rich pay is well documented. This thread isn'tabout the rich.
And yes the rest of us pay if we're working BUT as noted in the op MANY of us actually get it all back & sometimes more than we pay in.
How exactly is that "fair"?

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

 

[Anathema]

I'd be fine with a flat tax that kicks in after a certain amount. Say all income is tax free up to $50,000 a year and then after that every dollar is subjected to a 15% flat tax.

Good idea but I'd be for setting that lower end limit at $1.00. 10% of everything above that for all persons age 15 and up. Including ALL Government payments.

 

[occupied]

They use all those things and fund them heavily through state income taxes, excise taxes, sin taxes, fuel taxes and fees. It seems the redder the state the more this burden is placed on working people. You people who bitch about progressive federal taxes never even acknowledge the regressive state and local tax burden.

I don't know where you're getting that idea from. I acknowledge those things all the time. The government at every level does way more than it ought to be doing. You're the one who insists they should be doing all these functions, thus, burdening the poor and middle class so what are you complaining about, hypocrite?

I'm not complaining about anything except the conservative urge to shift the tax burden onto the working class who has not experienced appreciable wage growth in living memory away from the rich who are accumulating wealth at record levels. A flat tax scheme could possibly work if all income levels experienced the same rate of income growth but as it is it would be a slow squeeze on people who are already being squeezed by the rising cost of living and no hope of wage growth.

And you don't see a revamped tax system having any impact on jobs or even wages? Seriously?

We live in a plutocracy, no tax reform that could possibly pass would result in anything good for a working person.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Without getting it all back via carve outs & loop holes? Should they pay their fair share?

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

But interesting how you attack the poor demanding that they pay their "fair share" while ignoring the wealthy who are paying far less than their "fair share".

What the rich pay is well documented. This thread isn'tabout the rich.
And yes the rest of us pay if we're working BUT as noted in the op MANY of us actually get it all back & sometimes more than we pay in.
How exactly is that "fair"?

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

 

[Derideo_Te]

Without getting it all back via carve outs & loop holes? Should they pay their fair share?

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

But interesting how you attack the poor demanding that they pay their "fair share" while ignoring the wealthy who are paying far less than their "fair share".

What the rich pay is well documented. This thread isn'tabout the rich.
And yes the rest of us pay if we're working BUT as noted in the op MANY of us actually get it all back & sometimes more than we pay in.
How exactly is that "fair"?

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Without getting it all back via carve outs & loop holes? Should they pay their fair share?

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

But interesting how you attack the poor demanding that they pay their "fair share" while ignoring the wealthy who are paying far less than their "fair share".

What the rich pay is well documented. This thread isn'tabout the rich.
And yes the rest of us pay if we're working BUT as noted in the op MANY of us actually get it all back & sometimes more than we pay in.
How exactly is that "fair"?

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

In the title. Can you read?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

But interesting how you attack the poor demanding that they pay their "fair share" while ignoring the wealthy who are paying far less than their "fair share".

What the rich pay is well documented. This thread isn'tabout the rich.
And yes the rest of us pay if we're working BUT as noted in the op MANY of us actually get it all back & sometimes more than we pay in.
How exactly is that "fair"?

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

In the title. Can you read?

Nothing in the title refers to the amount subject to taxation.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What the rich pay is well documented. This thread isn'tabout the rich.
And yes the rest of us pay if we're working BUT as noted in the op MANY of us actually get it all back & sometimes more than we pay in.
How exactly is that "fair"?

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

In the title. Can you read?

Nothing in the title refers to the amount subject to taxation.

It refers to the poor & taxes. Period. Take your wage agenda to the appropriate thread or create one of your own. This thread is about the tax system.

Derp along now

 

[occupied]

Your problem is not with the poor but the fact that their employers don't pay them enough to not qualify for the EITC.

Why should those corporations be enjoying taxpayer subsidized workers?

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

In the title. Can you read?

Nothing in the title refers to the amount subject to taxation.

It refers to the poor & taxes. Period. Take your wage agenda to the appropriate thread or create one of your own. This thread is about the tax system.

Derp along now

The flat earnings and the rising expenses of the working poor is very topical to the discussion of how much they should be taxed.

 

[Anathema]

The flat earnings and the rising expenses of the working poor is very topical to the discussion of how much they should be taxed.

Sorry, being a failure in life is not an acceptable reason to expect to be exempt from taxes.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Wrong thread fucktard. Take your fair wage nonsense to the appropriate nonsensical fair wage thread. This thread is about basic taxation

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

In the title. Can you read?

Nothing in the title refers to the amount subject to taxation.

It refers to the poor & taxes. Period. Take your wage agenda to the appropriate thread or create one of your own. This thread is about the tax system.

Derp along now

The flat earnings and the rising expenses of the working poor is very topical to the discussion of how much they should be taxed.

No it is not

 

[occupied]

The flat earnings and the rising expenses of the working poor is very topical to the discussion of how much they should be taxed.

Sorry, being a failure in life is not an acceptable reason to expect to be exempt from taxes.

Lack of opportunity is not a personal failing, it is the failure of an economic system.

 

[occupied]

Where in your OP did you specifically exclude the amount that is subject to taxation?

And why exclude pragmatic solutions to the question posed in your OP unless you are not serious about actually finding solutions. In which case this thread is nothing but flame bait against the poor and doesn't belong in this forum.

In the title. Can you read?

Nothing in the title refers to the amount subject to taxation.

It refers to the poor & taxes. Period. Take your wage agenda to the appropriate thread or create one of your own. This thread is about the tax system.

Derp along now

The flat earnings and the rising expenses of the working poor is very topical to the discussion of how much they should be taxed.

No it is not

How about I talk about it anyway thread nazi? What you going to do?

 

[Anathema]

Lack of opportunity is not a personal failing, it is the failure of an economic system.

There's plenty of opportunity. It just requires you to go get ut rather than having it gift wrapped and dropped in your lap. It is not the job of this Government to better the lives of those unwilling to do anything to help themselves.

 

[occupied]

Lack of opportunity is not a personal failing, it is the failure of an economic system.

There's plenty of opportunity. It just requires you to go get ut rather than having it gift wrapped and dropped in your lap. It is not the job of this Government to better the lives of those unwilling to do anything to help themselves.

Are you some kind of cloistered monk? You sound like you have no idea what life is like at street level.

 

[Anathema]

Are you some kind of cloistered monk? You sound like you have no idea what life is like at street level.

No, I'm worse. Im a Conservative. I have no problem letting people die if they can't or won't take care of themselves.

Three of my wife's sisters fall into that category. They expect the Government to provide for them because their faury godmothers didnt show up to save the girls when they fucked their lives up. All three are capable of fixing their lives but choose not to.

 

[occupied]

Are you some kind of cloistered monk? You sound like you have no idea what life is like at street level.

No, I'm worse. Im a Conservative. I have no problem letting people die if they can't or won't take care of themselves.

Three of my wife's sisters fall into that category. They expect the Government to provide for them because their faury godmothers didnt show up to save the girls when they fucked their lives up. All three are capable of fixing their lives but choose not to.

"Conservative" ≠ "sociopath" but conservatism damned sure appeals to you freaks.

 

[Anathema]

"Conservative" ≠ "sociopath" but conservatism damned sure appeals to you freaks.

Life is not worth anything unless its lived properly. Never has been. I see no point in wasting money on those who do not live their life properly.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Without getting it all back via carve outs & loop holes? Should they pay their fair share?

EVERYONE should pay taxes, every single U.S. citizen, no exceptions. But, everyone should pay at the same tax rate. If the tax rate is 15% of income, then everyone should pay 15%.

If you think the working poor could afford that you are dreaming. States are already squeezing them for all they are worth.

Do the poor use the fire department, police, streets, roads, bridges, highways, and interstates? Do the poor use libraries, schools, food stamps, and other government assistance programs? Do the poor every visit state parks, museums, and other public places? Are the poor protected by our soldiers?

They use all those things and fund them heavily through state income taxes, excise taxes, sin taxes, fuel taxes and fees. It seems the redder the state the more this burden is placed on working people. You people who bitch about progressive federal taxes never even acknowledge the regressive state and local tax burden.

What a load of horseshit.
Texas has some of the lowest taxes in the country. Try again.