Should the poor be required to pay taxes to the IRS?

[HereWeGoAgain]

So you expect our children to compete with adult illegals and immigrants for jobs?
What about the elderly who used to work fast food to supplement their retirement?
Fuck them to huh?
You're a real piece of shit.

Now your throwing undocumented immigrants into the mix? Hey, talk to your State legislators and ask them why they have not passed a form of e-verify in your State along with stiff fines and prison time for employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers . It's because the big employers don't want to pay higher wages, and your legislature is in their pockets for campaign contrbutions!

Where is your proof of this new displacement. I don't see any you have posted. You claim it and it's magically a truism? And would you have kids skip school to hold a steady job rather than get educated? I'm sure you're really concerned about the elderly, too, with all that great concern for their welfare.

You're all hat and no cattle, Tex!

Are you for or against amnesty and illegals in general?
And whens the last time you saw a kid mowing grass? Take a look at the protesters out in front of the shit shacks demanding 15 bucks an hour..immigrants.
You are so ill informed it's impossible to converse with you.

Amnesty vis-à-vis undocumented immigrants is another issue...stay the fuck on topic if you can concentrate that long. Naturally, I'm against illegal immigration, but once they are here, it's up to us and guv'ment to discourage them and others by removing their incentives to come here and the others who would be inclined to also. Simple thing to do but the pols don't want to upset the one they are beholden to get their corrupt panties in a bunch.

Hmmmm...the last time I saw a kid mowing was back about 7 years ago when the lad that I had do my mowing on my Wash. farm was atop my John Deere pulling my haybine around one of my fallow pastures at second cutting! He did the raking and bailing too! Now I'm down in AZ and around Phoenix the yards are mostly desert scape. Anyway, a WASP teen would never want to work in 100 deg + temps very damn long. They're soft whiners for the most part!

Actually, I'm considered to be very well informed among my peers and others of my acquaintance. You see, I only wear ball caps now and I've sold all our cattle and our farm, being retired now.

Have you been able to get out of that gas station job yet? An education would help, ya know! Take care, Tex!

I retired at 46 four years ago.
Theres nothing a farmer can teach me,trust me on that.

46 years ago?.....how old are you?....

You might want to go back and read it again.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It has been proven time and time again that the wealthy pay more than their fair share.

If the wealthy were paying their fair share there would be no deficit and no national debt so obviously it hasn't been proven.

That's the problem right there. You have no concept of how much debt we are in and certainly no concept of how much money our wealthy have. If we took every last nickel and dime from those wealthy people, it would hardly make a dent in our national debt.

The top 1% own 50% of the world's wealth.

If you believe that is less than $18 trillion then you should ask for a refund for being home schooled.

Maybe you should try home schooling instead of putting it down:

APR 3, 2012 @ 2:39 PM 34,031 VIEWS
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

Progressives say, if you’re so worried about the deficit, raise taxes! There are lots of rich people around, squandering money. On my show, David Callahan of the group Demos put it this way: “Wealthy Americans who have done so well in the past decade should help get us out.”

But it’s a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That’s only a third of this year’s deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.

John Stossel Tax The Rich The Rich Don t Have Enough. Really.

Your ignorance is palpable!

CBO lowers deficit projection for 2015 TheHill

The budget deficit for 2015 is expected to drop to roughly $425 billion, according to a report released Friday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

For the math challenged home schooled 425 is a smaller number than 616.

Next time check the date on your source and the current figures so you don't make a fool of yourself.

It's still a deficit. Smaller doesn't mean not over spending. Get back to me when we are actually paying shit off and the deficit is a negative number.

 

[boedicca]

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

But interesting how you attack the poor demanding that they pay their "fair share" while ignoring the wealthy who are paying far less than their "fair share".

It has been proven time and time again that the wealthy pay more than their fair share.

If the wealthy were paying their fair share there would be no deficit and no national debt so obviously it hasn't been proven.

That's the problem right there. You have no concept of how much debt we are in and certainly no concept of how much money our wealthy have. If we took every last nickel and dime from those wealthy people, it would hardly make a dent in our national debt.

The top 1% own 50% of the world's wealth.

If you believe that is less than $18 trillion then you should ask for a refund for being home schooled.

Maybe you should try home schooling instead of putting it down:

APR 3, 2012 @ 2:39 PM 34,031 VIEWS
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

Progressives say, if you’re so worried about the deficit, raise taxes! There are lots of rich people around, squandering money. On my show, David Callahan of the group Demos put it this way: “Wealthy Americans who have done so well in the past decade should help get us out.”

But it’s a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That’s only a third of this year’s deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.

John Stossel Tax The Rich The Rich Don t Have Enough. Really.

Hey! Iowahawk figure out how to pay for our Gubmint with only $10B per day!


So let's all sit down together as an American family with a calendar and make a yearly budget. First, let's lock in the $3.7 trillion of critical family spending priorities; now let's get to work on collecting the pay-as-we-go $10 billion daily cash flow we need.

12:01 AM, January 1
Let's start the year out right by going after some evil corporations and their obscene profits. And who is more evil than those twin spawns of Lucifer himself, Exxon Mobil and Walmart? Together these two largest American industrial behemoths raked in, between them, $34 billion in 2010 global profits. Let's teach 'em both a lesson and confiscate it for the public good. This will get us through...

9:52 AM January 4
Okay, maybe I underestimated our take. But we shouldn't let Exxon and Walmart distract us from all those other corporate profiteers out there worth shaking down. In fact, why don't we grab every cent of 2010 profit made by the other 498 members of the Fortune 500? That will net us another, let's see, $357 billion! Enough to get us to...

2:00 AM February 9
So we're running out of corporate cash, but look - it's Super Bowl time! As we all know, the game has become a crass disgusting festival of commercialism. So let's take all the TV ad money spent on stupid Super Bowl ads, and apply that to government needs. That would be $250 million, enough to fund us for, let's see... 36 minutes. The half time show, at least. But why stop there? Let's take every cent of ad money spent on all 45 Super Bowls, a cool $5 billion, which would cover us until...

2:00 PM February 9
Speaking of sports, why should the players be immune to our pressing public needs? Lord knows professional athletes make obscene salaries for playing a dumb game. So let's take the combined salaries of all players in the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, and the NHL. Hey, they've got endorsement deals, they'll hardly miss it. Throw in the total winnings of everybody on the PGA tour and NASCAR, and we get $9.4 billion, enough to get us through until...

1:00 PM February 10
Okay, it's time to stop messing around. Athletes aren't the only ones greedily raking it in. What about America's rich - those fancy pants fat cats living the high life in the above-$250,000 income bracket? According to IRS statistics, these 1.93% of US households are hogging 25% of US income. And why do they need it? For crying out loud, they probably stole it anyway. I say let's take 100% of every penny they make above $250,000. They can use the rest to pay their state and local taxes. Now we're talking big bucks, brother. How much? Let's see...



A: Number of US households: 116,000,000
B: Average US household income: $68,000 (median = $52,000)
C: Total US household income (A * B): $7.89 trillion
D: Percent of households above $250k income: 1.93%
E: Number of households above $250k income (A*D): 2,238,800
F: Percent of national income earned by households making $250k or more = 25%
G: Total income of households making $250k or more (C*F): $1.97 trillion
H: Total income of households in excess of $250k (G - E*$250,000) = $1.412 trillion



Alright! Take that, fat cats! Our $1.412 trillion windfall has us covered for the next 141 days, or until...

iowahawk Feed Your Family on 10 Billion a Day

 

[Harry Dresden]

Now your throwing undocumented immigrants into the mix? Hey, talk to your State legislators and ask them why they have not passed a form of e-verify in your State along with stiff fines and prison time for employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers . It's because the big employers don't want to pay higher wages, and your legislature is in their pockets for campaign contrbutions!

Where is your proof of this new displacement. I don't see any you have posted. You claim it and it's magically a truism? And would you have kids skip school to hold a steady job rather than get educated? I'm sure you're really concerned about the elderly, too, with all that great concern for their welfare.

You're all hat and no cattle, Tex!

Are you for or against amnesty and illegals in general?
And whens the last time you saw a kid mowing grass? Take a look at the protesters out in front of the shit shacks demanding 15 bucks an hour..immigrants.
You are so ill informed it's impossible to converse with you.

Amnesty vis-à-vis undocumented immigrants is another issue...stay the fuck on topic if you can concentrate that long. Naturally, I'm against illegal immigration, but once they are here, it's up to us and guv'ment to discourage them and others by removing their incentives to come here and the others who would be inclined to also. Simple thing to do but the pols don't want to upset the one they are beholden to get their corrupt panties in a bunch.

Hmmmm...the last time I saw a kid mowing was back about 7 years ago when the lad that I had do my mowing on my Wash. farm was atop my John Deere pulling my haybine around one of my fallow pastures at second cutting! He did the raking and bailing too! Now I'm down in AZ and around Phoenix the yards are mostly desert scape. Anyway, a WASP teen would never want to work in 100 deg + temps very damn long. They're soft whiners for the most part!

Actually, I'm considered to be very well informed among my peers and others of my acquaintance. You see, I only wear ball caps now and I've sold all our cattle and our farm, being retired now.

Have you been able to get out of that gas station job yet? An education would help, ya know! Take care, Tex!

I retired at 46 four years ago.
Theres nothing a farmer can teach me,trust me on that.

46 years ago?.....how old are you?....

You might want to go back and read it again.

..Ooops

 

[Derideo_Te]

If the wealthy were paying their fair share there would be no deficit and no national debt so obviously it hasn't been proven.

That's the problem right there. You have no concept of how much debt we are in and certainly no concept of how much money our wealthy have. If we took every last nickel and dime from those wealthy people, it would hardly make a dent in our national debt.

The top 1% own 50% of the world's wealth.

If you believe that is less than $18 trillion then you should ask for a refund for being home schooled.

Maybe you should try home schooling instead of putting it down:

APR 3, 2012 @ 2:39 PM 34,031 VIEWS
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

Progressives say, if you’re so worried about the deficit, raise taxes! There are lots of rich people around, squandering money. On my show, David Callahan of the group Demos put it this way: “Wealthy Americans who have done so well in the past decade should help get us out.”

But it’s a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That’s only a third of this year’s deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.

John Stossel Tax The Rich The Rich Don t Have Enough. Really.

Your ignorance is palpable!

CBO lowers deficit projection for 2015 TheHill

The budget deficit for 2015 is expected to drop to roughly $425 billion, according to a report released Friday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

For the math challenged home schooled 425 is a smaller number than 616.

Next time check the date on your source and the current figures so you don't make a fool of yourself.

Hey incompetent, arrogant one! Since you want to take figures from the CBO, tell everyone when the deficit begins to rise again. Tell all the people when S.S. disability goes broke too! How about their projections on what Obysmalcare will cost in 5 years?

If your guys are soooooooo damn smart, why didn't they fix entitlement programs before they created a new one? We already have with unfunded liabilities, 216 trillion dollars in debt. That is MORE money than there is the WORLD, globe if you are a green lib. Who is going to pay it hero? Not you; our children are drowning in debt that people like you want to add more to, and they can't even vote to STOP you!

If you are an American, you SIR/MAAM are an embarrassment. No parent throws their child under the bus like you want to; but then I forgot, you are for abortion on demand also, and sell their body parts to the highest bidders. Why am I not surprised! I now understand why you care less what we leave our progeny; it is all about you! Selfish liberal, screw everyones kids, let illegals take their jobs, make the kids pay 70 or 80% tax rate= liberal Shang-Ri-LA. Pathetic, absolutely PATHETIC.

Throwing a temper tantrum because you made yourself look like a fool because you are gullible enough to believe disinformation instead of checking the facts for yourself.

And you have no one to blame except for yourself and those who provided you with inadequate home schooling.

No one is more selfish than those that disparage poor hardworking Americans while screaming "it's my money" at the top of their lungs.

 

[Derideo_Te]

If the wealthy were paying their fair share there would be no deficit and no national debt so obviously it hasn't been proven.

That's the problem right there. You have no concept of how much debt we are in and certainly no concept of how much money our wealthy have. If we took every last nickel and dime from those wealthy people, it would hardly make a dent in our national debt.

The top 1% own 50% of the world's wealth.

If you believe that is less than $18 trillion then you should ask for a refund for being home schooled.

Maybe you should try home schooling instead of putting it down:

APR 3, 2012 @ 2:39 PM 34,031 VIEWS
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

Progressives say, if you’re so worried about the deficit, raise taxes! There are lots of rich people around, squandering money. On my show, David Callahan of the group Demos put it this way: “Wealthy Americans who have done so well in the past decade should help get us out.”

But it’s a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That’s only a third of this year’s deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.

John Stossel Tax The Rich The Rich Don t Have Enough. Really.

Your ignorance is palpable!

CBO lowers deficit projection for 2015 TheHill

The budget deficit for 2015 is expected to drop to roughly $425 billion, according to a report released Friday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

For the math challenged home schooled 425 is a smaller number than 616.

Next time check the date on your source and the current figures so you don't make a fool of yourself.

A fool of myself? I just made a fool of you showing the failure of public school people. Here is what I said, now read it slowly so that even you can understand:

That's the problem right there. You have no concept of how much debt we are in and certainly no concept of how much money our wealthy have. If we took every last nickel and dime from those wealthy people, it would hardly make a dent in our national debt.

Now...... if you don't understand the difference between the national debt and the deficit, just ask any one of us conservatives to explain it to you. We don't mind. It's what's called Compassionate Conservatism.[/QUOTE]

Kindly refrain from projecting your own shortcomings onto others.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

That is false. Ever hear of the Earned Income Tax Credit? Millions of people get back more in their refund, sometimes substantially more, than they paid into the system every year.

That doesn't mean that they haven't paid Federal taxes. You need to be working and have taxable income in order to be eligible for the EITC.

And can you please provide a for these "Millions of people get back more in their refund, sometimes substantially more, than they paid into the system every year."?

TYIA

Not everyone pays federal taxes and taxable income is not necessary to receive the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). I once worked for the IRS and I will explain how this happens with a simple example.

In 2014, a woman who filed as Head Of Household (HOH) with 3 children was entitled to a standard deduction of $9,100. Plus she was also entitled to a $3,950 exemption for herself and for each of her children for a total exemption of $15,800. Her standard deduction plus her exemptions totaled $24,900. Her taxable income was determined by subtracting this total from her Adjusted Gross Income (AGI); therefore, if her AGI was $24,900 or less she owed no taxes. All taxes withheld by her employer were refunded to her when she filed her return.

But there's more: Based upon her earnings of $24,900, she was also entitled to an EITC of $4,648. The EIC is a refundable credit which means this amount was added to her refund check.

As you can see, some people do not pay taxes. Plus taxable income is not necessary to receive the EITC. The EITC is not based upon taxable income but rather total EARNED income (some types of income, such as investment income, are not counted).

(NOTE: The IRS offers another refundable credit, the Additional Child Tax Credit but I'll save explaining that one for another time.)

Below are links to the 2014 Form 1040 and the 2014 EIC tables

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/earned_income_credit_table_1040i.pdf

Getting a refund means that she paid Federal taxes because they were deducted from her paycheck and sent to the IRS.

Everyone who works pays Federal taxes, no exceptions even for the poor.

That is false. Ever hear of the Earned Income Tax Credit? Millions of people get back more in their refund, sometimes substantially more, than they paid into the system every year.

That doesn't mean that they haven't paid Federal taxes. You need to be working and have taxable income in order to be eligible for the EITC.

And can you please provide a for these "Millions of people get back more in their refund, sometimes substantially more, than they paid into the system every year."?

TYIA

Not everyone pays federal taxes and taxable income is not necessary to receive the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). I once worked for the IRS and I will explain how this happens with a simple example.

In 2014, a woman who filed as Head Of Household (HOH) with 3 children was entitled to a standard deduction of $9,100. Plus she was also entitled to a $3,950 exemption for herself and for each of her children for a total exemption of $15,800. Her standard deduction plus her exemptions totaled $24,900. Her taxable income was determined by subtracting this total from her Adjusted Gross Income (AGI); therefore, if her AGI was $24,900 or less she owed no taxes. All taxes withheld by her employer were refunded to her when she filed her return.

But there's more: Based upon her earnings of $24,900, she was also entitled to an EITC of $4,648. The EIC is a refundable credit which means this amount was added to her refund check.

As you can see, some people do not pay taxes. Plus taxable income is not necessary to receive the EITC. The EITC is not based upon taxable income but rather total EARNED income (some types of income, such as investment income, are not counted).

(NOTE: The IRS offers another refundable credit, the Additional Child Tax Credit but I'll save explaining that one for another time.)

Below are links to the 2014 Form 1040 and the 2014 EIC tables

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/earned_income_credit_table_1040i.pdf

Getting a refund means that she paid Federal taxes because they were deducted from her paycheck and sent to the IRS.

There is something wrong with you. You have no concept of the federal tax system and you are incapable of logical thought. You think the woman paid taxes even though all the money her employer withheld was returned to her by the IRS? WTF?

Let me break it down to your level. She didn't give a penny to the U.S. Government. She didn't pay anyone anything. The money that her employer withheld from her paycheck is sent right back to her for her to spend as she pleases. If the employer withheld $2,000 and the IRS gives it all right back to her, how much did she spend? Nothing! Well actually she did spend $2,000 but not in taxes! At this point I think it is entirely appropriate to add: Duh!!

Another example. You go to a store and buy a refrigerator for $3,000. When it was delivered you noticed a few scratches on the door. You complained to the company and to make you happy they returned $1,000. Now, how much did you pay for the refrigerator? According to your faulty logic you paid $3,000 but in the real world – where most of us live - you paid only $2,000.

I have come to the conclusion that you are far too ignorant for me to have a reasonable discussion with you. You and the fool who thanked your post are truly pathetic. You don't even know the difference between paying taxes (giving money to the IRS that you don't get back) and simply having taxes withheld from your paycheck until it can be determined by the IRS how much taxes you actually must pay.

You had a chance to learn something from someone who knows a lot more about the IRS than you do but you let it pass you by. Now I am done with you and this thread. If you have a question about taxes, ask the person who thanked your post. You're two of a kind.

How ironic that you chose the user name of "the professor"!



She paid federal taxes which were taken from her paycheck. That is a fact.

That she subsequently received a refund does not mean that she didn't pay the taxes in the first place. The topic is paying taxes to the IRS, not tax refunds.

Please try to keep up with the rest of the class.

 

[Derideo_Te]

If the wealthy were paying their fair share there would be no deficit and no national debt so obviously it hasn't been proven.

That's the problem right there. You have no concept of how much debt we are in and certainly no concept of how much money our wealthy have. If we took every last nickel and dime from those wealthy people, it would hardly make a dent in our national debt.

The top 1% own 50% of the world's wealth.

If you believe that is less than $18 trillion then you should ask for a refund for being home schooled.

Maybe you should try home schooling instead of putting it down:

APR 3, 2012 @ 2:39 PM 34,031 VIEWS
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.

Progressives say, if you’re so worried about the deficit, raise taxes! There are lots of rich people around, squandering money. On my show, David Callahan of the group Demos put it this way: “Wealthy Americans who have done so well in the past decade should help get us out.”

But it’s a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That’s only a third of this year’s deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.

John Stossel Tax The Rich The Rich Don t Have Enough. Really.

Your ignorance is palpable!

CBO lowers deficit projection for 2015 TheHill

The budget deficit for 2015 is expected to drop to roughly $425 billion, according to a report released Friday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

For the math challenged home schooled 425 is a smaller number than 616.

Next time check the date on your source and the current figures so you don't make a fool of yourself.

It's still a deficit. Smaller doesn't mean not over spending. Get back to me when we are actually paying shit off and the deficit is a negative number.

Do you mean just like we had during the Clinton administration until Bush jr gave all of that money to the 1% before he began overspending on illegal warmongering?