Should there be mandatory training before you can purchase a firearm?

[Pop23]

Then why does a background check in NYC take 3-6 months simply to get a handgun permit for home use?

Why does it cost up to $600 for that background check?

I don't have any idea what goes on in New your, and don't really care. I'm talking about federal gun laws goober.

There is a proposal on the table (read the OP) and then tell us the tremendous saving of life’s it saves.

I’ve outlined how ineffective it would be.

You?

You outlines the basic NRA mantra "Don't worry about dead people. Sell more guns"

I see you have no answers. Let’s try.

Will the OP’s suggestion make criminals less likely to kill? If so, how is training a killer to more effectively kill going to reduce his killing rate?

Will the OPs suggestion stop someone wanting to kill himself less effective in his/her attempt because he is better trained in killing himself?

I’ve just given you two examples, that are 99% of all gun deaths.

Please explain how better training ends the percentage of death caused by guns.

Give it a shot. You might not look as stupid as you appear.

Typical gun nut /NRA logic "It won't solve every aspect of every problem, so we shouldn't try to make any part of it better"

Then give me this problem that gets solved?

Thank you

 

[martybegan]

it's government in general, and NYC's laws are what progressives see as the next logical step before they ban private gun ownership entirely.

What i am trying to say, is that any federal law requiring training would be bastardized by any local government that hates private gun ownership to make it as restrictive, expensive and tedious as possible. Not in the interest of safety, but because they don't believe private citizens should have guns.

Did I spell it out enough for you, mouth breather?

You were very clear in articulating your twisted, childish opinion. We're talking federal law goober. If you don't like New York State law, you should move, or elect someone who is a gun nut like you. The citizens of New York don't seem to want gun nuts running their government.

The citizens of Alabama want to ban abortions, should they be able to?

And I have the RKBA as a federal citizen, NYC should not be able to infringe, but its because of lawless cucks like you that we have the situation we have now.

The Fed law would probably make the States do the leg work, and States like NY would let more restrictive places like NYC go even further, while making Upstate gun friendly places follow State laws. (which would be onerous)

Rights are not subject to popular vote.

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Not a gun nut. a Strict Constructional Federalist, with libertarian leanings.

And that you couldn't reply to my statements shows how useless you are.

You're a RWNJ republican gun nut who has a litany of thinks he likes to call himself, because he's too embarrassed to admit he is a republican RWNJ gun nut.

You use simple labels like that because you can't see any view but your own.

Simple concepts for simple minds.

 

[martybegan]

Why?

Why not just not do it?

What about all of that "personal responsibility" crap you guys spew when we talk about important stuff like healthcare?

You are not making sense. Why should I have to pay an additional $400 for a training class to exercise a right?

How about we make people take classes to vote?

No answer huh?

Pretty much what I expected.

Why should I have to volunteer to pay for something that shouldn't exist in the first place?

That's the fucking answer, you cuck.

You still aren't answering the question, you are dodging it.

Childish insults are the last refuge of the mentally incompetent. And you aren't even very good at it.

that is the answer. The answer is "no"

And again, why don't we make people take classes to vote?

 

[BULLDOG]

You were very clear in articulating your twisted, childish opinion. We're talking federal law goober. If you don't like New York State law, you should move, or elect someone who is a gun nut like you. The citizens of New York don't seem to want gun nuts running their government.

The citizens of Alabama want to ban abortions, should they be able to?

And I have the RKBA as a federal citizen, NYC should not be able to infringe, but its because of lawless cucks like you that we have the situation we have now.

The Fed law would probably make the States do the leg work, and States like NY would let more restrictive places like NYC go even further, while making Upstate gun friendly places follow State laws. (which would be onerous)

Rights are not subject to popular vote.

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Gun Nut in the eyes of a Gun Grabber mentality...................Why we believe you are a Gun Grabber Nut.

Odd that you think your extremist views will go unchecked forever.

Oh and a big internet tough guy like you will do the checking?

nah, you will let government do it for you, and then wonder why you are being led away in chains when they come for you for doing something or thinking something against them.

So now you think you are in chains. You're really nuts, aren't you?

 

[Crepitus]

Quit whining. We both know that's not how it would be.

Then why does a background check in NYC take 3-6 months simply to get a handgun permit for home use?

Why does it cost up to $600 for that background check?

I don't have any idea what goes on in New your, and don't really care. I'm talking about federal gun laws goober.

There is a proposal on the table (read the OP) and then tell us the tremendous saving of life’s it saves.

I’ve outlined how ineffective it would be.

You?

You outlines the basic NRA mantra "Don't worry about dead people. Sell more guns"

I see you have no answers. Let’s try.

Will the OP’s suggestion make criminals less likely to kill? If so, how is training a killer to more effectively kill going to reduce his killing rate?

Will the OPs suggestion stop someone wanting to kill himself less effective in his/her attempt because he is better trained in killing himself?

I’ve just given you two examples, that are 99% of all gun deaths.

Please explain how better training ends the percentage of death caused by guns.

Give it a shot. You might not look as stupid as you appear.

The OP's suggestion is about preventing accidents.

It's not that hard dude. Tighten up.

 

[martybegan]

The citizens of Alabama want to ban abortions, should they be able to?

And I have the RKBA as a federal citizen, NYC should not be able to infringe, but its because of lawless cucks like you that we have the situation we have now.

The Fed law would probably make the States do the leg work, and States like NY would let more restrictive places like NYC go even further, while making Upstate gun friendly places follow State laws. (which would be onerous)

Rights are not subject to popular vote.

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Gun Nut in the eyes of a Gun Grabber mentality...................Why we believe you are a Gun Grabber Nut.

Odd that you think your extremist views will go unchecked forever.

Oh and a big internet tough guy like you will do the checking?

nah, you will let government do it for you, and then wonder why you are being led away in chains when they come for you for doing something or thinking something against them.

So now you think you are in chains. You're really nuts, aren't you?

Not yet. But progressives want more government power, further away from the people, because THEY know what's best for us.

And you are a fucking lemming.

 

[BULLDOG]

You were very clear in articulating your twisted, childish opinion. We're talking federal law goober. If you don't like New York State law, you should move, or elect someone who is a gun nut like you. The citizens of New York don't seem to want gun nuts running their government.

The citizens of Alabama want to ban abortions, should they be able to?

And I have the RKBA as a federal citizen, NYC should not be able to infringe, but its because of lawless cucks like you that we have the situation we have now.

The Fed law would probably make the States do the leg work, and States like NY would let more restrictive places like NYC go even further, while making Upstate gun friendly places follow State laws. (which would be onerous)

Rights are not subject to popular vote.

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Not a gun nut. a Strict Constructional Federalist, with libertarian leanings.

And that you couldn't reply to my statements shows how useless you are.

You're a RWNJ republican gun nut who has a litany of thinks he likes to call himself, because he's too embarrassed to admit he is a republican RWNJ gun nut.

You use simple labels like that because you can't see any view but your own.

Simple concepts for simple minds.

If you say so, nut job. Careful you don't scratch up the floor with those chains.

 

[Crepitus]

What about all of that "personal responsibility" crap you guys spew when we talk about important stuff like healthcare?

You are not making sense. Why should I have to pay an additional $400 for a training class to exercise a right?

How about we make people take classes to vote?

No answer huh?

Pretty much what I expected.

Why should I have to volunteer to pay for something that shouldn't exist in the first place?

That's the fucking answer, you cuck.

You still aren't answering the question, you are dodging it.

Childish insults are the last refuge of the mentally incompetent. And you aren't even very good at it.

that is the answer. The answer is "no"

And again, why don't we make people take classes to vote?

It's not yes or no question.

Are you really this much of a dimwit or do you just play one on the internet?

Either way I'm done wasting time on someone who is incapable of enough honesty to answer one question.

 

[Pop23]

The Same could be said with your logic.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Your statement is completely illogical: there is no sense in it.

Based on the things I've been reading on these message boards, the posts of pro-gun people, they have obvious psychological problems, and I imagine the reason they don't want to do a psychological test before they are handed a gun is because they fear, and rightly so, they will fail the test. To many itchy fingers, too many having wet dreams hoping someone will break into their house so they can blow them away. Yep. A whole lot of very sick puppies.

Your logic is to impose your set of values on law abiding citizens because of criminal actions of others.............Your logic is flawed and your mindset and opinions are your own..............

Kind of like punishing the cows for the actions of a Coyote raiding the hen house.................Our castrating a neighbor of a rapist for the crimes of a rapist.

You want to ENFORCE YOUR VALUES ON OTHERS.............who don't agree with you.........and we will resist you until hell freezes over.

Your logic doesn't work AT ALL. If your logic worked, we would have no laws and no regulations AT ALL. I don't drive drunk or recklessly, but there are laws against doing so. Why am I punished for what others do? Why do I need to buy liability insurance? I don't steal. Why are there laws against doing so? Why are there laws against cheating on taxes: I don't cheat on my taxes. Why am I punished for what others do?

Your logic is the same as a young child's.

Can you outline these punishments?

I am curious

Seriously?

Punishment isn't the correct word. Punishment is the word the poster used to whom I was replying. It's a childish term and a childish way to represent having regulations and laws in respect to civilized behavior.

You apparently seem unable to see the correlation between requirements and regulations in just about every 'right' we have as 'free' citizens and the right to have guns.

Really your question is just too stupid a question for me to bother with. Figure it out yourself, unless you are too retarded. You are obviously too retarded to pick up on irony.

You are frustrated I see.

Can you explain the problem that the OP will solve by his proposal.

99% of all gun related deaths are caused by suicide and criminal activities.

At best, you think that training these two groups will make them less effective in there deeds? How so? Seems training them makes them more effective, not less.

The one percent is due to carelessness. And I’ve seen no argument made that this training will make careless people less careless.

Do you have anything?

 

[Pop23]

Then why does a background check in NYC take 3-6 months simply to get a handgun permit for home use?

Why does it cost up to $600 for that background check?

I don't have any idea what goes on in New your, and don't really care. I'm talking about federal gun laws goober.

There is a proposal on the table (read the OP) and then tell us the tremendous saving of life’s it saves.

I’ve outlined how ineffective it would be.

You?

You outlines the basic NRA mantra "Don't worry about dead people. Sell more guns"

I see you have no answers. Let’s try.

Will the OP’s suggestion make criminals less likely to kill? If so, how is training a killer to more effectively kill going to reduce his killing rate?

Will the OPs suggestion stop someone wanting to kill himself less effective in his/her attempt because he is better trained in killing himself?

I’ve just given you two examples, that are 99% of all gun deaths.

Please explain how better training ends the percentage of death caused by guns.

Give it a shot. You might not look as stupid as you appear.

The OP's suggestion is about preventing accidents.

It's not that hard dude. Tighten up.

Oh, that tiny minuscule number. Outline for me how a 10 minute course stops careless people from being careless.

Many thanks

 

[Pop23]

What about all of that "personal responsibility" crap you guys spew when we talk about important stuff like healthcare?

You are not making sense. Why should I have to pay an additional $400 for a training class to exercise a right?

How about we make people take classes to vote?

No answer huh?

Pretty much what I expected.

Why should I have to volunteer to pay for something that shouldn't exist in the first place?

That's the fucking answer, you cuck.

You still aren't answering the question, you are dodging it.

Childish insults are the last refuge of the mentally incompetent. And you aren't even very good at it.

that is the answer. The answer is "no"

And again, why don't we make people take classes to vote?

That would be the logical extension of this conversation.

 

[BULLDOG]

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Gun Nut in the eyes of a Gun Grabber mentality...................Why we believe you are a Gun Grabber Nut.

Odd that you think your extremist views will go unchecked forever.

Oh and a big internet tough guy like you will do the checking?

nah, you will let government do it for you, and then wonder why you are being led away in chains when they come for you for doing something or thinking something against them.

So now you think you are in chains. You're really nuts, aren't you?

Not yet. But progressives want more government power, further away from the people, because THEY know what's best for us.

And you are a fucking lemming.

Yep. You're nuts.

 

[martybegan]

The citizens of Alabama want to ban abortions, should they be able to?

And I have the RKBA as a federal citizen, NYC should not be able to infringe, but its because of lawless cucks like you that we have the situation we have now.

The Fed law would probably make the States do the leg work, and States like NY would let more restrictive places like NYC go even further, while making Upstate gun friendly places follow State laws. (which would be onerous)

Rights are not subject to popular vote.

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Not a gun nut. a Strict Constructional Federalist, with libertarian leanings.

And that you couldn't reply to my statements shows how useless you are.

You're a RWNJ republican gun nut who has a litany of thinks he likes to call himself, because he's too embarrassed to admit he is a republican RWNJ gun nut.

You use simple labels like that because you can't see any view but your own.

Simple concepts for simple minds.

If you say so, nut job. Careful you don't scratch up the floor with those chains.

That's it, keep thinking you know what you are talking about, cuck.

 

[martybegan]

You are not making sense. Why should I have to pay an additional $400 for a training class to exercise a right?

How about we make people take classes to vote?

No answer huh?

Pretty much what I expected.

Why should I have to volunteer to pay for something that shouldn't exist in the first place?

That's the fucking answer, you cuck.

You still aren't answering the question, you are dodging it.

Childish insults are the last refuge of the mentally incompetent. And you aren't even very good at it.

that is the answer. The answer is "no"

And again, why don't we make people take classes to vote?

It's not yes or no question.

Are you really this much of a dimwit or do you just play one on the internet?

Either way I'm done wasting time on someone who is incapable of enough honesty to answer one question.

Yes it is. There shouldn't be onerous fees from government to exercise a right in the first place.

If government has such a hard on for things like that, government should pay for it.

 

[martybegan]

Gun Nut in the eyes of a Gun Grabber mentality...................Why we believe you are a Gun Grabber Nut.

Odd that you think your extremist views will go unchecked forever.

Oh and a big internet tough guy like you will do the checking?

nah, you will let government do it for you, and then wonder why you are being led away in chains when they come for you for doing something or thinking something against them.

So now you think you are in chains. You're really nuts, aren't you?

Not yet. But progressives want more government power, further away from the people, because THEY know what's best for us.

And you are a fucking lemming.

Yep. You're nuts.

Nope. You just lack the cognitive ability or desire to see things from outside your tight little progressive bubble.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't have any idea what goes on in New your, and don't really care. I'm talking about federal gun laws goober.

There is a proposal on the table (read the OP) and then tell us the tremendous saving of life’s it saves.

I’ve outlined how ineffective it would be.

You?

You outlines the basic NRA mantra "Don't worry about dead people. Sell more guns"

I see you have no answers. Let’s try.

Will the OP’s suggestion make criminals less likely to kill? If so, how is training a killer to more effectively kill going to reduce his killing rate?

Will the OPs suggestion stop someone wanting to kill himself less effective in his/her attempt because he is better trained in killing himself?

I’ve just given you two examples, that are 99% of all gun deaths.

Please explain how better training ends the percentage of death caused by guns.

Give it a shot. You might not look as stupid as you appear.

The OP's suggestion is about preventing accidents.

It's not that hard dude. Tighten up.

Oh, that tiny minuscule number. Outline for me how a 10 minute course stops careless people from being careless.

Many thanks

You're right. The tiny course required for CC is not enough to teach anyone anything. That's why we need a real training course.

 

[BULLDOG]

Cry me a river. You lost all credibility when you decided to become a gun nut.

Not a gun nut. a Strict Constructional Federalist, with libertarian leanings.

And that you couldn't reply to my statements shows how useless you are.

You're a RWNJ republican gun nut who has a litany of thinks he likes to call himself, because he's too embarrassed to admit he is a republican RWNJ gun nut.

You use simple labels like that because you can't see any view but your own.

Simple concepts for simple minds.

If you say so, nut job. Careful you don't scratch up the floor with those chains.

That's it, keep thinking you know what you are talking about, cuck.

What scares you is that you know I do.

 

[BULLDOG]

Odd that you think your extremist views will go unchecked forever.

Oh and a big internet tough guy like you will do the checking?

nah, you will let government do it for you, and then wonder why you are being led away in chains when they come for you for doing something or thinking something against them.

So now you think you are in chains. You're really nuts, aren't you?

Not yet. But progressives want more government power, further away from the people, because THEY know what's best for us.

And you are a fucking lemming.

Yep. You're nuts.

Nope. You just lack the cognitive ability or desire to see things from outside your tight little progressive bubble.

You keep telling yourself that as common sense slowly reforms the out of control gun industry.

 

[Pop23]

There is a proposal on the table (read the OP) and then tell us the tremendous saving of life’s it saves.

I’ve outlined how ineffective it would be.

You?

You outlines the basic NRA mantra "Don't worry about dead people. Sell more guns"

I see you have no answers. Let’s try.

Will the OP’s suggestion make criminals less likely to kill? If so, how is training a killer to more effectively kill going to reduce his killing rate?

Will the OPs suggestion stop someone wanting to kill himself less effective in his/her attempt because he is better trained in killing himself?

I’ve just given you two examples, that are 99% of all gun deaths.

Please explain how better training ends the percentage of death caused by guns.

Give it a shot. You might not look as stupid as you appear.

The OP's suggestion is about preventing accidents.

It's not that hard dude. Tighten up.

Oh, that tiny minuscule number. Outline for me how a 10 minute course stops careless people from being careless.

Many thanks

You're right. The tiny course required for CC is not enough to teach anyone anything. That's why we need a real training course.

I see

So you want killers, and the suicidal to be even better trained at their crafts.

Can you explain why you want killers and those that would kill themselves afforded even better training.

It seems self defeating, but maybe you can explain it?

 

[Fang]

That would be an infringement

Would you consider it an infringement to require a driving test before you can operate a vehicle?

Which amendment says I have a right to drive a car?