Significance of 6/1

[Stryder50]

No Congress critter apparatchiks were hauled off to re-education camps or firing squads.
None of the couple hundred whom occupied the one part of one building claimed they now hold the office of the representative/senator that scurried away.
None of the agencies and departments of the USA were taken over.
In essence, no coup/insurrection of reality or substance happened.
Many people may have broken laws, but the substance of the Federal government was neither challenged nor changed.

All this brouhaha over events of a few hours on a single day, Jan. 6, 2021.

HOWEVER ...
On the other hand ...
For 4-5+ months during the previous Summer of 2020, in several cities of the USA, we had "occupation" and "autonomous" zones ~CHAZ/CHAOS which in essence had declared and engaged in insurrection, claimed secession, sedition and those months also included near daily riots, vandalism, looting, arson, property damage, attacks upon Federal buildings with destruction and levels of occupation, assaults upon local police and Federal officers, assorted crimes against citizens, assaults, rapes, even a few murders, etc.

All this is on a collective scale that is thousands of times above and beyond what happened for a few hours on a single day in January.

All this was supported, if not encouraged, by the leadership of the Democratic party, both implicit and via their not speaking out in objection to or efforts to defuse and disperse the insurgents occupying portions of many major cities.

The @150 days of lawlessness and insurrection of the Summer of "Luv"-2020 is so quickly overlooked, forgotten, minimized, and swept under the rug.

This is the insult to injury we saw from the Left and the source of past and present clear danger to our Nation. Telling is that silence of those whom choose to ignore it and play sleigh of hand, mis-direction.

 

[TNHarley]

Its REALITY. Sorry foreigner. Im not like you other leftist loony toons. I deal with reality.

Reality is, let’s say, flexible. You seems always willing to give someone like Trump every benefit of the doubt.

Where did i "give him the benefit of the doubt", cultist?

Where don’t you? His call with Raffensperger was just a little request to look into stuff.

Right…

You make shit up he said and im giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Maybe you dont know what that phrase means? Just dumb as fuck in general?

 

[Faun]

"Fight Like Hell"

"Stop the Steal"

"Go to the Capitol"

Sounds like some pretty explicit instructions.

At least a majority in both the House & Senate thought so.

Not surprising a cultist forgets "lets do this peacefully"

How about not doing it at all?

By the by, I love this narrative that Trump isn't responsible at all for the violence that occurred. On his behalf, for a cause he specifically championed, that happened after a rally he spoke at, at the place he told those rally-goers to go. Just because he said a single sentence at that rally.

It's kind of like a shop owner claiming he isn't responsible for his store burning down after he hired a known pyromaniac. To which he said that he could use the insurance money. Simply because he said during the job interview that he wouldn't like his shop burning down.

Some things are so clearly predictable that claiming you couldn't know something wouldn't happen simply becomes ridiculous.

He told them to protest peacefully. Maybe he was using sign language only white supremacists know and he secretly told them to "burn that mother fucker down"
IM WITH YOU MAN!

No sign language necessary. Just knowledge of the rhetoric spoken at the rally. The people participating in the rally and the tactics used throughout the time Biden was known to have won.

Right? So what does "lets do this peacefully" mean in RWNJ terms?

Liar, that's a false quote. No one ever said that.

 

[TNHarley]

"Fight Like Hell"

"Stop the Steal"

"Go to the Capitol"

Sounds like some pretty explicit instructions.

At least a majority in both the House & Senate thought so.

Not surprising a cultist forgets "lets do this peacefully"

How about not doing it at all?

By the by, I love this narrative that Trump isn't responsible at all for the violence that occurred. On his behalf, for a cause he specifically championed, that happened after a rally he spoke at, at the place he told those rally-goers to go. Just because he said a single sentence at that rally.

It's kind of like a shop owner claiming he isn't responsible for his store burning down after he hired a known pyromaniac. To which he said that he could use the insurance money. Simply because he said during the job interview that he wouldn't like his shop burning down.

Some things are so clearly predictable that claiming you couldn't know something wouldn't happen simply becomes ridiculous.

He told them to protest peacefully. Maybe he was using sign language only white supremacists know and he secretly told them to "burn that mother fucker down"
IM WITH YOU MAN!

No sign language necessary. Just knowledge of the rhetoric spoken at the rally. The people participating in the rally and the tactics used throughout the time Biden was known to have won.

Right? So what does "lets do this peacefully" mean in RWNJ terms?

Liar, that's a false quote. No one ever said that.

" I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today."
Ooops sorry faun. I didnt get the quote exactly right

 

[Faun]

Meh. He tried to challenge the election through legal means. Went a little overboard with the Pence ordeal but he is a complete moron. So that is to be expected.
People try to make mountains out of mole hills. Happens all the time.

I think the things he was asking other people to do often weren’t legal.

Like what he asked of Pence.

I think it is a big deal. Not death if the nation big but bad enough that we are noticeably worse off because of it.

I think the Pence ordeal is debatable. But the rest was perfectly legal.

LOLOL

There is no debate. There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution or any law that grants the VP the power to unilaterally reject electors. Nothing. The Constitution clearly grants that authority to the 2 houses of the Congress.

There isnt a law against it. There isnt a law forcing him to do it. All he would have to do is not open them. Then what?

LOL

Moron, there is a law that says the two houses of Congress can reject electors. The law also says the VP's role is to "open the certificates." That's it. Using your inane logic, there's no law that says Pence couldn't just declare themselves the president. Using your inane logic, after the next presidential election, Kamala Harris can simply declare herself the president, since there's no law saying she can't, and she can declare the 2024 election void, since there's no law saying she can't. And she can declare the office of president is a lifetime position, since there's no law saying she can't. And she becomes a dictator, since there's no law saying she can't.

 

[Faun]

"Fight Like Hell"

"Stop the Steal"

"Go to the Capitol"

Sounds like some pretty explicit instructions.

At least a majority in both the House & Senate thought so.

Not surprising a cultist forgets "lets do this peacefully"

How about not doing it at all?

By the by, I love this narrative that Trump isn't responsible at all for the violence that occurred. On his behalf, for a cause he specifically championed, that happened after a rally he spoke at, at the place he told those rally-goers to go. Just because he said a single sentence at that rally.

It's kind of like a shop owner claiming he isn't responsible for his store burning down after he hired a known pyromaniac. To which he said that he could use the insurance money. Simply because he said during the job interview that he wouldn't like his shop burning down.

Some things are so clearly predictable that claiming you couldn't know something wouldn't happen simply becomes ridiculous.

He told them to protest peacefully. Maybe he was using sign language only white supremacists know and he secretly told them to "burn that mother fucker down"
IM WITH YOU MAN!

No sign language necessary. Just knowledge of the rhetoric spoken at the rally. The people participating in the rally and the tactics used throughout the time Biden was known to have won.

Right? So what does "lets do this peacefully" mean in RWNJ terms?

Liar, that's a false quote. No one ever said that.

" I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today."
Ooops sorry faun. I didnt get the quote exactly right

An honest mistake, I'm sure. Although it is suspicious why you would take his actual quote, where he's merely confirming he's expecting the crowd to be peaceful; and falsely quoting him to tell the crowd to be peaceful. An honest mistake, anybody could have made.

 

[InspectorDetector]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

If I recall correctly - Trump never once said go and start a coup to the thousands that had gathered at his speech.

He DID however called on the audience to "march to the Capitol and protest this stolen election, let your voice be heard".

So, in my opinion your "poll" is screwed from the beginning. Just my $.02.........

This election was the beginning of the end of "fair" elections in this country. It has finally come to a head. And Jesus wept...........

You did see that whatever happened on 6/1/21 is kind of besides the premise of my OP? I have more trouble with what Trump did in general after he was declared to have lost. That's what my poll is about.

So you are basically saying that a loser of an election doesn't have a right to dispute the "results" of an election that he feels was fraudulent? Hmmm...interesting.

I will anxiously await your poll when a fascist democrat calls an election "unfair" - should that happen *(it won't because Republicans are too damned stupid to rig elections as the fascists have)

If you lose the election. Can you try to get people to ignore the result, even when losing in court?​

See that last bit of the sentence?

You can dispute the results to your heart's content. You do this by filing complaints to the courts. You do not do it by trying to prevent the certification of the results, you do not do it by trying to get the DOJ to intervene on your behalf. You do not do it by trying to elect alternate electors. You do not do it by trying to get a Secretary of State to a state to intervene. And you do not do it by breaking into the Capitol.

He CAN bloviate to his hearts content, that is how freedom works. That does not make it good, correct or even effective but you can get on your soap box and proclaim whatever you want.

He was the President of the United States, so his bloviation does have meaning. Point in fact. Dozens of States are now legislating on the basis of his bloviation.

Indeed. Screw free speech - am I right?

Not all speech is protected.

That said, this goes beyond a legal right to speak. As president, he has a responsibility to do what’s right for the country and he failed that very low bar spectacularly.

Nonsense. Pure and simple nonsense. Point out one time JUST ONE - where he called for the people to storm the Capitol. Just one.

 

[colfax_m]

Its REALITY. Sorry foreigner. Im not like you other leftist loony toons. I deal with reality.

Reality is, let’s say, flexible. You seems always willing to give someone like Trump every benefit of the doubt.

Where did i "give him the benefit of the doubt", cultist?

Where don’t you? His call with Raffensperger was just a little request to look into stuff.

Right…

You make shit up he said and im giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Maybe you dont know what that phrase means? Just dumb as fuck in general?

I didn’t make up anything he said.

 

[Faun]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

IDIOT. You can't even get the fricking DATE right. GO TO JAIL. DO NOT COLLECT $200.

Of course he got the date right. Are you on drugs?

 

[colfax_m]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

If I recall correctly - Trump never once said go and start a coup to the thousands that had gathered at his speech.

He DID however called on the audience to "march to the Capitol and protest this stolen election, let your voice be heard".

So, in my opinion your "poll" is screwed from the beginning. Just my $.02.........

This election was the beginning of the end of "fair" elections in this country. It has finally come to a head. And Jesus wept...........

You did see that whatever happened on 6/1/21 is kind of besides the premise of my OP? I have more trouble with what Trump did in general after he was declared to have lost. That's what my poll is about.

So you are basically saying that a loser of an election doesn't have a right to dispute the "results" of an election that he feels was fraudulent? Hmmm...interesting.

I will anxiously await your poll when a fascist democrat calls an election "unfair" - should that happen *(it won't because Republicans are too damned stupid to rig elections as the fascists have)

If you lose the election. Can you try to get people to ignore the result, even when losing in court?​

See that last bit of the sentence?

You can dispute the results to your heart's content. You do this by filing complaints to the courts. You do not do it by trying to prevent the certification of the results, you do not do it by trying to get the DOJ to intervene on your behalf. You do not do it by trying to elect alternate electors. You do not do it by trying to get a Secretary of State to a state to intervene. And you do not do it by breaking into the Capitol.

He CAN bloviate to his hearts content, that is how freedom works. That does not make it good, correct or even effective but you can get on your soap box and proclaim whatever you want.

He was the President of the United States, so his bloviation does have meaning. Point in fact. Dozens of States are now legislating on the basis of his bloviation.

Indeed. Screw free speech - am I right?

Not all speech is protected.

That said, this goes beyond a legal right to speak. As president, he has a responsibility to do what’s right for the country and he failed that very low bar spectacularly.

Nonsense. Pure and simple nonsense. Point out one time JUST ONE - where he called for the people to storm the Capitol. Just one.

I don’t think he did, which is why he’s not criminally liable. But they stormed the Capitol on his behalf never the less and pretty much no one should be surprised about that given how he whipped them into a furor.

 

[B. Kidd]

6/1???

The OP is a fork-up!!!

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

What happened on June 1st?

Does it have anything to do with what happened during the elections? I'm not all that interested in whataboutisms. Please answer the premise or don't respond at all. Thank you.

Well, since you've gotten mildly snooty with me, permit me to set you straight on a couple of points.

First, don't tell me what to do. You're just not that guy.

Second, I didn't offer any "whataboutisms", so it's stupid for you to even bring it up.

Lastly, here in the States, when we express a date with only numbers, generally speaking the month comes first, then the date, then the year.

Kinda like this; June 1 of this year would be expressed as "6/1/21" or "6/1/2021".

Now, I don't know where in the world you are, but understand that this forum is predominantly American. So, when you go writing "What happened on 6/1?", people are going to start looking at June on their calendar.

You may go now...

Well since you got really snooty with me, permit me to set you straight on a couple of things.

Firstly, I didn't TELL you what to do. I asked you what to do. English might simply be my fourth language but I'm pretty sure that the words please and thank you signify me ASKING you to do something.

Secondly, I always appreciate being corrected and you are of course right. On the other hand, I personally consider it good manners when replying to someone in a place like this to not make a conscious effort to derail the OP. Something which you did, by not making any contribution to the premise besides pointing me to my inadequacy in keeping all aspects of the English language straight.

Now, I will not tell you to go now. I will ask you to do so.

Shut up. Troll your own motherland.

 

[Faun]

No Congress critter apparatchiks were hauled off to re-education camps or firing squads.
None of the couple hundred whom occupied the one part of one building claimed they now hold the office of the representative/senator that scurried away.
None of the agencies and departments of the USA were taken over.
In essence, no coup/insurrection of reality or substance happened.
Many people may have broken laws, but the substance of the Federal government was neither challenged nor changed.

All this brouhaha over events of a few hours on a single day, Jan. 6, 2021.

HOWEVER ...
On the other hand ...
For 4-5+ months during the previous Summer of 2020, in several cities of the USA, we had "occupation" and "autonomous" zones ~CHAZ/CHAOS which in essence had declared and engaged in insurrection, claimed secession, sedition and those months also included near daily riots, vandalism, looting, arson, property damage, attacks upon Federal buildings with destruction and levels of occupation, assaults upon local police and Federal officers, assorted crimes against citizens, assaults, rapes, even a few murders, etc.

All this is on a collective scale that is thousands of times above and beyond what happened for a few hours on a single day in January.

All this was supported, if not encouraged, by the leadership of the Democratic party, both implicit and via their not speaking out in objection to or efforts to defuse and disperse the insurgents occupying portions of many major cities.

The @150 days of lawlessness and insurrection of the Summer of "Luv"-2020 is so quickly overlooked, forgotten, minimized, and swept under the rug.

This is the insult to injury we saw from the Left and the source of past and present clear danger to our Nation. Telling is that silence of those whom choose to ignore it and play sleigh of hand, mis-direction.

 

[Faun]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

If I recall correctly - Trump never once said go and start a coup to the thousands that had gathered at his speech.

He DID however called on the audience to "march to the Capitol and protest this stolen election, let your voice be heard".

So, in my opinion your "poll" is screwed from the beginning. Just my $.02.........

This election was the beginning of the end of "fair" elections in this country. It has finally come to a head. And Jesus wept...........

You did see that whatever happened on 6/1/21 is kind of besides the premise of my OP? I have more trouble with what Trump did in general after he was declared to have lost. That's what my poll is about.

So you are basically saying that a loser of an election doesn't have a right to dispute the "results" of an election that he feels was fraudulent? Hmmm...interesting.

I will anxiously await your poll when a fascist democrat calls an election "unfair" - should that happen *(it won't because Republicans are too damned stupid to rig elections as the fascists have)

If you lose the election. Can you try to get people to ignore the result, even when losing in court?​

See that last bit of the sentence?

You can dispute the results to your heart's content. You do this by filing complaints to the courts. You do not do it by trying to prevent the certification of the results, you do not do it by trying to get the DOJ to intervene on your behalf. You do not do it by trying to elect alternate electors. You do not do it by trying to get a Secretary of State to a state to intervene. And you do not do it by breaking into the Capitol.

He CAN bloviate to his hearts content, that is how freedom works. That does not make it good, correct or even effective but you can get on your soap box and proclaim whatever you want.

He was the President of the United States, so his bloviation does have meaning. Point in fact. Dozens of States are now legislating on the basis of his bloviation.

Indeed. Screw free speech - am I right?

Not all speech is protected.

That said, this goes beyond a legal right to speak. As president, he has a responsibility to do what’s right for the country and he failed that very low bar spectacularly.

Nonsense. Pure and simple nonsense. Point out one time JUST ONE - where he called for the people to storm the Capitol. Just one.

That was the message received by some when he said, "We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Meh. He tried to challenge the election through legal means. Went a little overboard with the Pence ordeal but he is a complete moron. So that is to be expected.
People try to make mountains out of mole hills. Happens all the time.

I think the things he was asking other people to do often weren’t legal.

Like what he asked of Pence.

I think it is a big deal. Not death if the nation big but bad enough that we are noticeably worse off because of it.

I think the Pence ordeal is debatable. But the rest was perfectly legal.

I don’t think the Pence ordeal is debatable. There’s zero legal rationale for it.

What he was telling Raffensperger to do also wasn’t legal. You can’t just throw out votes because you feel like it.

I think it is. Thats why legal scholars all over the country were torn about it.
Context matters. You cant pick one sentence out of a conversation and run with it.

“Legal scholars” baloney. Allowing Pence to pick and chose electors would be chaos.

I listened to the entire hour long conversation with Raffensperger. It was an hour of asking him to do things which weren’t legal.

Chaos, sure. But that isnt what we are discussing.
What was illegal that he said do?

Chucking out votes without adequate justification is not legal. It would be deportation of rights without due process.

It’s true whether it’s Raffensperger chucking out votes from Georgia or Pence chucking out votes from states.

To check and throw out illegitimate votes isnt legal?
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT
Do you understand now?

Only if they’re actually illegitimate. Trump calling them illegitimate does not make them so.

He was telling them to check. IDK how much more clear he should have been. Maybe stamped it to his forehead and changed the call to facetime? Jesus Christ.

He wasn’t telling them to check, he was telling them to find something he wanted them too.

Because Raffensperger did say they checked and Trump said that because they checked and didn’t get the outcome he wants, they were wrong.

You see, if someone asks you to check something they would accept the outcome either way, because by checking you’ve fulfilled the request. Trump wasn’t satisfied with an outcome he didn’t like because he wasn’t asking to check, he was asking for a result.

That isnt how it happened. I posted the appropriate paragraph above.
Fuck it. IDK why i tried with your partisan ass.
Because.
Cult.
Good day, dumbfuck.

It’s exactly how it happened. As you said, you need CONTEXT. Trump said check these things. Raffensperger said we did and it’s not accurate. Trump said that they didn’t check enough and that everyone is lying to them because he won Georgia and no one was going to tell him otherwise.

Making excuses for Trump’s behavior is pathetic.

Liar. Its what you do.diid you see Joe China Biden? No way 80 million voted for that monkey.

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

Your post reminds me that people have extremely short memories.

President Trump was not the 1st.

Years ago in Florida Al Gore suggested having an immediate re-vote in Florida that included denying military members abroad the right / ability to vote.

Al Gore screamed, 'EVERY vote must count' while demanding a new Florida vote be conducted. When he was informed there was no way such a vote could be achieved in a timely manner due to the inability to get new ballots out to military members serving abroad and their absentee ballot votes back in a timely manner, Gore declared the military votes should just be ignored / left out then.

Gore was willing to deny American citizens the right to vote in a new election in order to defeat Bush & win the WH.

Despite a court order prohibiting a hand-recount, Democrats violated court orders and continued the hand count.....which eventually showed Bush won Florida, btw.

President Trump proclaimed there was election fraud - which was proven to be the case (Pa) and asked citizens to walk to the Capitol and support GOP politicians who were making a case for not certifying the election until audits / an investigation could be carried out. His, however, was not the 1st to challenge an election outcome.

This is Gore conceding right?

As to the rest. Listen to what he says at about 1'30. He lost his court challenge and he conceded. Trump lost nearly ALL his court cases and instead of conceding he still insists he won the election. If you don't see the actual difference here I can't help you.

What you cherry-picked and posted does nothing to take away from the fact that he initially demanded a re-vote and suggested not allowing military members and other Americans abroad to participate.....

Sure and then the courts said no, and he accepted that ruling.

Yes, but after demanding 'every vote must count' Gore was willing to f* military members abroad in a second if it meant he could win. If it were not for the courts, if Gore would have had his way, he would have f*ed the military and gone for the win.

So what? He accepted the ruling. What's so hard for you to understand about that? You can wave the flag as much as you want, the fact of the matter remains is that Gore issued a particular court challenge. He lost that particular court challenge after which he simply conceded. Trump STILL hasn't done so. Even more, he is still insisting the election was rigged without providing any evidence.

 

[Crepitus]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

This is why we call it an insurrection or coup.

tRump and his loyal tRumplings tried to circumvent our democracy and install a dictator. Everyone who participated belongs in jail. From tRump to his supporters in congress to the RWNJ media that spread the conspiracy theories to the lowliest bottle throwing capitol rioter. And I'm not forgetting that Facebook and others refused to do anything about this incitement to violence until it was too late either. Nail them all to the wall.

How could they “install a dictator” without F-15s and nuclear bombs?

Is that a serious question?

 

[theHawk]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

This is why we call it an insurrection or coup.

tRump and his loyal tRumplings tried to circumvent our democracy and install a dictator. Everyone who participated belongs in jail. From tRump to his supporters in congress to the RWNJ media that spread the conspiracy theories to the lowliest bottle throwing capitol rioter. And I'm not forgetting that Facebook and others refused to do anything about this incitement to violence until it was too late either. Nail them all to the wall.

How could they “install a dictator” without F-15s and nuclear bombs?

Is that a serious question?

According to Biden it is.

 

[Faun]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

This is why we call it an insurrection or coup.

tRump and his loyal tRumplings tried to circumvent our democracy and install a dictator. Everyone who participated belongs in jail. From tRump to his supporters in congress to the RWNJ media that spread the conspiracy theories to the lowliest bottle throwing capitol rioter. And I'm not forgetting that Facebook and others refused to do anything about this incitement to violence until it was too late either. Nail them all to the wall.

How could they “install a dictator” without F-15s and nuclear bombs?

Is that a serious question?

According to Biden it is.

Why would you go by anything Biden says? He's senile.

 

[Crepitus]

What happened on June 1st?

I thought you were a veteran?

I am. My question remains...

Day/month/year.

 

[Crepitus]

I've seen a lot of people on this board, including me putting their 2 cents in on what happened on 6/1. A few days ago I came to a bit of a weird realization for myself.

I came to realise that by focusing on the very visible, spectacular and tragic events, the true meaning of what occured has been missed.

In my opinion it's not all that important if 6/1 was a coup, insurgency, riot, demonstration or picnic. In fact 6/1 is not the most important thing that should be remembered.

What should be remembered is the precedent set by Trump. For the first time in the history of the US, the losing candidate of a presidential campaign didn't just fail to concede he lost, but actively tried to get those of his party to ignore those results and try to get power that way.

He tried to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find him votes". He tried state assemblies to designate electors with the express purpose of getting them to elect him and not the winner of the certified election results. He tried to get his own VP to refuse to certify the results and tried to get the house and senate to do the same.

This bears repeating. Trump tried in almost every way to get him and not the winner of the election to take power.

II know that many of you believe the election was fraudulent. I obviously don't agree. I want you to realise though that if you support the precedent that as long as you claim the election was fraudulent the loser of an election can take steps to ignore those results other than actually making your case in court, the US will no longer be a functioning Democracy.

This is why we call it an insurrection or coup.

tRump and his loyal tRumplings tried to circumvent our democracy and install a dictator. Everyone who participated belongs in jail. From tRump to his supporters in congress to the RWNJ media that spread the conspiracy theories to the lowliest bottle throwing capitol rioter. And I'm not forgetting that Facebook and others refused to do anything about this incitement to violence until it was too late either. Nail them all to the wall.

You call it an insurrection or a coup because you're a leftist.

Realist, not leftist.