Slut Or Not??

[Sky Dancer]

I will take this one. You personally, perhaps no one. But PC was directing that toward liberals in general. So let's put her claim to the test. In the last century the United States alone has been involved in several wars under liberal control. Let's have a look at the casualty estimates of those actions and count it up:

Occupation of Haiti (Wilson): 434
World War I (Wilson): 23,598,518
North Russia Intervention (Wilson): 2,884
Siberian Expedition (Wilson): 700
World War II (Roosevelt): 73,106,559
Korean War (Truman): 4,004,002
Occupation of Dominican-Republic (Johnson): 5,927
Vietnam War (Johnson): 2,952,846
Operation Uphold Democracy (Clinton): 201
Bosnian Intervention (Clinton): 96,669
Operation Noble Anvil (Clinton): 4,897
Libya Bombing (Obama): 260

Total: 103,773,897 in estimated liberal led casualty count in actions regarding the United States alone let alone military actions in the rest of the world where we were not involved.

So it appears PC's claim was accurate.

United States occupation of Haiti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World War I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
North Russia Intervention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American Expeditionary Force Siberia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States occupation of the Dominican Republic (1965
Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bosnian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Uphold Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Odyssey Dawn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see. I've killed 100 million human beings because I'm a democrat. Got it. Oversimplify decades and decades of complex history.

I don't suppose it matters which wars I didn't support. Try me for war crimes. I'm liberal. Come and get me. It doesn't matter I wasn't even alive for many of those wars. I see how her mind works.

No, your ideology has. It's the same as saying "Christians are responsible for X millions of death." I haven't personally killed anyone, but yet I am often to blame for believing in a faith who's history has.

So, am I guilty for the deaths of all those people? Am I supporting it all or have the desire to continue such bloodshed? I'm accused of that all the time. I'm just playing by the rules others apply 'legitimately', and your defense of those same people who apply those rules.

I don't play these kind of games. I'd rather talk to a real person about an issue and examine it from our differing views.

This is just another flame thread.

 

[High_Gravity]

Why all this bad talk about sluts?

It's premature. If we legalized prostitution sluts would be unlicensed whores.

Prostitution should be legalized.

 

[Si modo]

You and your pal want any liberal to stand in for your vitriol. I'm right here. I'm listening. Tell me all about it.

Tell me what you expect me to do for you for having opposite political positions on some issues.

What makes more sense to me, is to take even ONE of those wars and examine it closely for what forces, what causes and conditions allowed that war to occur.

You are making up a story that doesn't really exist, IMO. Let's examine something in more detail and perhaps we may both learn something new.

Sky, Blue Phantom has shown no signs of vitriol toward you.

This thread is not about you.

This thread is a "dump on liberals" rant. No one here willing to take the time to have an honest discussion.

That's what you see - your perception. If true, then why are you bothering posting here.

Regardless of your perceptions, the discussion is multifacted - constitutional issues, societal issues about sex, entitlement issues, etc.

But, it is not about you.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Sky, Blue Phantom has shown no signs of vitriol toward you.

This thread is not about you.

This thread is a "dump on liberals" rant. No one here willing to take the time to have an honest discussion.

That's what you see - your perception. If true, then why are you bothering posting here.

Regardless of your perceptions, the discussion is multifacted - constitutional issues, societal issues about sex, entitlement issues, etc.

But, it is not about you.

It ought to be about real people. You and me. Our views. Less about meaningless labels.

But I take your point. I won't post in the thread anymore.

 

[Neurotika]

i've only read the first couple of pages here...not really interested in wading through 25 pages of us/them crap...

i do want to point out that she wants her birth control to be insured like any other health service.
she isnt asking for taxpayers to foot the bill for anything. she just wants reasonable and affordable access to birth control which IS A WOMAN'S HEALTH ISSUE.

a question:

so should the men have their vasectomies and their viagra covered by their health insurance..

it is a fair question and should be addressed instead of trying to sort this woman as some kind of whore because she wants the same thing that would be available were she a man

after all we dont want to contribute to male 'sluttery' do we?

 

[007]

Slut Or Not??

Slut... "socialist" slut as a matter of fact.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You want a fight and you want me to stand in for everything you hate about liberals. I get it.

I'd rather have a talk about my actual views rather than the ones you fill in for me.

Unfortunately, I don't think you're interested in being that honest.

Too bad. I like talking with people who are different from me.

I don't see a desire to 'fight' as much as a zeal to defend truth. One of the absolutely most dispicable phrases in the english language is "It's all good", for it is patently false.

Truth would be you ask me my views and you share your own. You don't quote some editorial and expect it to apply to me, or have me answer for ALL liberals or people whose politics lean left.

PC wants a fight, and is determined to demonize anyone with left leaning politics.

We aren't all alike.

What you fail to understand is that you support and empower the most vicious Leftists.
You just don't realize it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Obama is a slut.

He jumps on ANYTHING that will get him media coverage.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm sorry, your undeserved self righteousness set off my psychological toxicity alarms. Say that again, with less dangerous levels of undeserved purity or piety? I'll put on my protective gear if you can't.

When I find folks who refuse to either educate themselves, or learn from reality, I also hear the Tocsin, as well...the "psychological toxicity alarms."


In "The Death of Feminism," Dr. Phyllis Chesler wrote

1. Academic feminists who received tenure, promotion, and funding, tended to be pro-abortion, pro-pornography (anti-censorship), pro-prostitution (pro-sex workers), pro-surrogacy, and anti-colonialist, anti-imperialist, and anti-American…proponents of simplistic gender-neutrality (women and men are exactly the same) or essentialist: men and women are completely different, and women are better. They are loyal to their careers and their cliques, not to the truth.



a. This rigid intolerance as exercised by the movement, unfortunately, has driven away women who choose motherhood over high-powered careers, women who are American patriots, many religious women, women who do not identify themselves primarily in terms of sexual preference, and women who oppose abortion, pornography and prostitution. The outside-the-mainstream feminists hold abolitionist views about pornography, prostitution, trafficking, and sexual slavery; viewing freedom as a universal value; in short, are conservative.


I owe you one, Fitzy.

You want a fight and you want me to stand in for everything you hate about liberals. I get it.

I'd rather have a talk about my actual views rather than the ones you fill in for me.

Unfortunately, I don't think you're interested in being that honest.

Too bad. I like talking with people who are different from me.

BTW, I'm still waiting to hear about the 100 million human beings I'm responsible for killing.

"...the 100 million human beings I'm responsible for..."

Covered in post #367

 

[Cammmpbell]

The left is about choices, expanding traditional gender roles. Women having the opportunity to work and have a family, or to be a stay at home mom, or to work full time and have the husband be the stay at home parent.

Funny that your post is the exact opposite of the truth.

You might have missed post #324....

LMAO! I was a manager in a government operated main frame computing center. Before the civil rights legislation signed by Lyndon Johnson in 1965 kicked in our section did not have one woman or one Black. 41 White men working three shifts seven days a week. By 1968 I had hired six Blacks and four women. Now that same section only has about 20 people because of a shutdown and additional automation but about a third of them are Black and about a third of the women have been promoted to lead positions or supervision. You folks should read a little history....that's where the truth is..

 

[Uncensored2008]

What you fail to understand is that you support and empower the most vicious Leftists.
You just don't realize it.

You are such a sweet person. See, I am convinced that Sky fully realizes that she supports the most vicious the left has to offer. I think she relishes the fact,

 

[Big Fitz]

I see. I've killed 100 million human beings because I'm a democrat. Got it. Oversimplify decades and decades of complex history.

I don't suppose it matters which wars I didn't support. Try me for war crimes. I'm liberal. Come and get me. It doesn't matter I wasn't even alive for many of those wars. I see how her mind works.

No, your ideology has. It's the same as saying "Christians are responsible for X millions of death." I haven't personally killed anyone, but yet I am often to blame for believing in a faith who's history has.

So, am I guilty for the deaths of all those people? Am I supporting it all or have the desire to continue such bloodshed? I'm accused of that all the time. I'm just playing by the rules others apply 'legitimately', and your defense of those same people who apply those rules.

I don't play these kind of games. I'd rather talk to a real person about an issue and examine it from our differing views.

This is just another flame thread.

How's the old saying go? Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You can't cook at room temperature, and that's what's cooking here: philosophy, opinions, ideologies, viewpoints, facts and bullshit.

Taste test at your own risk.

 

[Uncensored2008]

LMAO! I was a manager in a government operated main frame computing center.

Yet you don't even know how to write the word "Mainframe."

That's government workers for you...

Before the civil rights legislation signed by Lyndon Johnson in 1965 kicked in our section did not have one woman or one Black. 41 White men working three shifts seven days a week. By 1968 I had hired six Blacks and four women. Now that same section only has about 20 people because of a shutdown and additional automation but about a third of them are Black and about a third of the women have been promoted to lead positions or supervision. You folks should read a little history....that's where the truth is..

Did you hire anyone who knew just what the fuck a mainframe was?

 

[Big Fitz]

What you fail to understand is that you support and empower the most vicious Leftists.
You just don't realize it.

You are such a sweet person. See, I am convinced that Sky fully realizes that she supports the most vicious the left has to offer. I think she relishes the fact,

I am not convinced of that yet. Some days I'd say yes, other days, it's a little too much Hari Krishna like thought to make me believe she sees clearly what is being done in the name of her favored ideology and political structure.

Rodney Kingism just isn't viable in this world.

 

[BluePhantom]

I see. I've killed 100 million human beings because I'm a democrat. Got it. Oversimplify decades and decades of complex history.

I don't suppose it matters which wars I didn't support. Try me for war crimes. I'm liberal. Come and get me.

Try re-reading the first line of my post

You and your pal want any liberal to stand in for your vitriol. I'm right here. I'm listening. Tell me all about it.

What vitriol? CG made a statement, you challenged it, I looked up the figures and reported them. That's vitriol? Is this another one of those "code" things? Is proving you wrong statistically "vitriolic code" now?

 

[007]

What you fail to understand is that you support and empower the most vicious Leftists.
You just don't realize it.

You are such a sweet person. See, I am convinced that Sky fully realizes that she supports the most vicious the left has to offer. I think she relishes the fact,

What he said ... ^

 

[Dragon]

Actually, Political Chic definitely does lie. Unless one is prepared to believe that she herself is so brain-dead DUMB as to sincerely, honestly believe that American liberals, who are committed to democracy and such niceties of law as the Bill of Rights, should be lumped together with Stalin and Mao merely because they share misgivings about the advisability of unlimited inequality and plutocracy.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she really is that honestly stupid. But I think she's lying.

 

[Foxfyre]

Actually, Political Chic definitely does lie. Unless one is prepared to believe that she herself is so brain-dead DUMB as to sincerely, honestly believe that American liberals, who are committed to democracy and such niceties of law as the Bill of Rights, should be lumped together with Stalin and Mao merely because they share misgivings about the advisability of unlimited inequality and plutocracy.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she really is that honestly stupid. But I think she's lying.

And I think anybody who accuses Political Chic of lying might either a liar or honestly stupid - or so brainwashed that he or she is incapable of appreciating that she didn't lump anybody committed to democracy and such niceties of law as the Bill of Rights in with anybody. She does however argue that modern American liberalism is too often anti-democracy and too often twists the Bill of Rights into concepts the Founders never would have envisioned, much less condoned.

I for one think that is a debate America seriously needs to have and soon while we still have a Constitution and Bill of Rights to preserve. I think we are fast approaching the tipping point where will will lose the core basis of both.

An affluent college girl arguing that Congress should see to it that people get free contraceptives is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Actually, Political Chic definitely does lie. Unless one is prepared to believe that she herself is so brain-dead DUMB as to sincerely, honestly believe that American liberals, who are committed to democracy and such niceties of law as the Bill of Rights, should be lumped together with Stalin and Mao merely because they share misgivings about the advisability of unlimited inequality and plutocracy.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she really is that honestly stupid. But I think she's lying.

I think she's neither lying nor stupid. I think she's brainwashed by too much right wing media pundancy. She's trained to hate liberals. It is difficult to discuss any national or international issue with her because she thinks we are all alike.

I have no problem with this woman from the college advocating for her insurance company to cover her contraceptive services. It's her right to advocate for whatever she likes.

It is typical for Rush Limbaugh, to call people ugly names.

When I sit down with my friends to talk politics we don't put each other in little boxes with labels. We talk about what is going on and what we know and what we wish we knew.

 

[Katzndogz]

Why all this bad talk about sluts?

It's premature. If we legalized prostitution sluts would be unlicensed whores.

Prostitution should be legalized.

Of course! Sandra Fluke needs a real job.

While I personally can't see anything wrong with legalizing prostitution, I can't see any major benefit either. If prostitution were not only legal, but considered like any other normal legal business, I would not want to see men and women looking for work be penalized for turning down work in a whorehouse either. Can't you see some whore trade school popping up and advertising on television!

Will whores be allowed to discriminate? Suppose a whore doesn't want to engage in acts with the same sex. Are they punished? Will their license be revoked? What's to be done with street wakers who don't want to keep books and pay taxes? Now they are picked up for solicitation, kept until morning and let go. After licensing they could be prosecuted for tax evasion. What about the casual hooker? The woman who just wants to pay the rent, she ran short, turning a few tricks once in a while bridges the gap. Does SHE need a license for part time whoring? Will a licensed whore who teaches kindergarten during the day keep her job? How about minors? Will a 15 year old boy with Daddy's credit card get to go to a legal brothel or is he still limited to the next door neighbor.

This is one of those things that looks good on paper but doesn't work as well in real life. The best that can be said is that there will be legal brothels AND all the problems with illegal prostitiution that we have now.