Slut Or Not??

[PoliticalChic]

And thus begins a post full of deflection that completely fails to answer the point being raised, and is full of personal invective without a shred of logical argument or evidence.

Liberals are not Communists. That's the point. Address that, if you please. Nothing else is relevant.

You're 'fear' is revealed by failure to address the rest of my post...but watch how easily I shove our words down your throat.

1. Walter Lippmann (23 September 1889 – 14 December 1974) was an American public intellectual, writer, reporter, and political commentator....In 1913, Lippmann, Herbert Croly, and Walter Weyl became the founding editors of The New Republic magazine. During World War I, Lippmann became an adviser to President Woodrow Wilson and assisted in the drafting of Wilson's Fourteen Points speech.
Walter Lippmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. "The meeting was named after Walter Lippmann, an American journalist whose new book La Cité libre was studied in detail at the meeting." 26 intellectuals took part in this meeting, including some of the most prominent liberal thinkers : Walter Lippmann,..."
Colloque Walter Lippmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. Seventy-two years ago, in 1937, at the height of the New Deal, Walter Lippmann, a repentant progressive, noted that:
“Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. . . . [T]he premises of authoritarian collectivism have become the working beliefs, the self-evident assumptions, the unquestioned axioms, not only of all the revolutionary regimes, but of nearly every effort which lays claim to being enlightened, humane, and progressive.

So universal is the dominion of this dogma over the minds of contemporary men that no one is taken seriously as a statesman or a theorist who does not come forward with proposals to magnify the power of public officials and to extend and multiply their intervention in human affairs. Unless he is authoritarian and collectivist, he is a mossback, a reactionary, at best an amiable eccentric swimming hopelessly against the tide. It is a strong tide. Though despotism is no novelty in human affairs, it is probably true that at no time in twenty-five hundred years has any western government claimed for itself a jurisdiction over men’s lives comparable with that which is officially attempted in totalitarian states. . . .

Nearly everywhere the mark of a progressive is that he relies at last upon the increased power of officials to improve the condition of men.

https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/digital/rahe/default.asp

Again??

men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals,

So....'lie'? 'brain-dead DUMB'? 'honestly stupid'?

Ain't it great when slanders like these go right back and bite you in the butt?


That sound?
That's me laughing at you.....

Most of these guys are dead. Do you want to debate them or someone who is alive?

Why is it, that you think, "shoving words" that you have copied and pasted, "down someone's throat" is debate?

You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?

"Most of these guys are dead."

I can see where folks who are less than literate might dispense with the knowledge of those who came before us....

Sorry you are unable to realize the value of books.


"You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?"
It's difficult to suffer fools easily.

 

[Dragon]

You're 'fear' is revealed by failure to address the rest of my post

The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one.

Very few things genuinely frighten me, and believe me you do NOT want to be one of them. You really don't.

 

[Cammmpbell]

LMAO! I was a manager in a government operated main frame computing center.

Yet you don't even know how to write the word "Mainframe."

That's government workers for you...

Before the civil rights legislation signed by Lyndon Johnson in 1965 kicked in our section did not have one woman or one Black. 41 White men working three shifts seven days a week. By 1968 I had hired six Blacks and four women. Now that same section only has about 20 people because of a shutdown and additional automation but about a third of them are Black and about a third of the women have been promoted to lead positions or supervision. You folks should read a little history....that's where the truth is..

Did you hire anyone who knew just what the fuck a mainframe was?

In 1985 we installed OaK Ridge's first supercomputer....a Cray XMP. It was an 11 million dollar project, lasted about 18 months from early planning till fully installed and I was the project manager for operations. I worked with all disciplines of engineering.....mechanical, refrigeration, electrical, civil, etc. and coordinated maintenance activitivites as they became necessary. I retired in 1993 but the activites in both the Y-12 weapons facility and the national laboratory(ORNL) concerning computers is being supervised by people who I helped to train back in the 60's and 70's.

That's the problem with folks today. They don't understand shit and think everybody else is in the same boat. I've forgotten more about computers than this bunch of people who operate servers and spend time on their lap tops and I phones will ever understand.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I consider my politics to lean left and I've never read Marx. The right wing is more interested in Marx than most of us whose politics lean left.

Why is that? Why do they want to debate dead authors?

 

[Big Fitz]

Name calling is counterproductive. Let's take ONE issue--any issue and debate it without meaningless labels.

Here, I will start. I don't care if this woman wants to advocate for her insurance company to pay for her contraceptive services.

She doesn't deserve to be called a slut, or to be a pawn between President Obama and Rush Limbaugh.

Personally, I have NO NEED of contraceptive services. I do NOT have a pony in this race.

I know my politics lean decidely left. So what?

I'm all for legalizing prostitution and I think each prostitute has every right to refuse service.

Exactly, strippers get to refuse to offer a lap dance or do a private party for someone, porn stars can refuse to do certain movies if they want, no reason prostitutes can't say no to a customer if they want to.

Empower prostitutes.

 

[Si modo]

You're 'fear' is revealed by failure to address the rest of my post...but watch how easily I shove our words down your throat.

1. Walter Lippmann (23 September 1889 – 14 December 1974) was an American public intellectual, writer, reporter, and political commentator....In 1913, Lippmann, Herbert Croly, and Walter Weyl became the founding editors of The New Republic magazine. During World War I, Lippmann became an adviser to President Woodrow Wilson and assisted in the drafting of Wilson's Fourteen Points speech.
Walter Lippmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. "The meeting was named after Walter Lippmann, an American journalist whose new book La Cité libre was studied in detail at the meeting." 26 intellectuals took part in this meeting, including some of the most prominent liberal thinkers : Walter Lippmann,..."
Colloque Walter Lippmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. Seventy-two years ago, in 1937, at the height of the New Deal, Walter Lippmann, a repentant progressive, noted that:
“Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. . . . [T]he premises of authoritarian collectivism have become the working beliefs, the self-evident assumptions, the unquestioned axioms, not only of all the revolutionary regimes, but of nearly every effort which lays claim to being enlightened, humane, and progressive.

So universal is the dominion of this dogma over the minds of contemporary men that no one is taken seriously as a statesman or a theorist who does not come forward with proposals to magnify the power of public officials and to extend and multiply their intervention in human affairs. Unless he is authoritarian and collectivist, he is a mossback, a reactionary, at best an amiable eccentric swimming hopelessly against the tide. It is a strong tide. Though despotism is no novelty in human affairs, it is probably true that at no time in twenty-five hundred years has any western government claimed for itself a jurisdiction over men’s lives comparable with that which is officially attempted in totalitarian states. . . .

Nearly everywhere the mark of a progressive is that he relies at last upon the increased power of officials to improve the condition of men.

https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/digital/rahe/default.asp

Again??

men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals,

So....'lie'? 'brain-dead DUMB'? 'honestly stupid'?

Ain't it great when slanders like these go right back and bite you in the butt?


That sound?
That's me laughing at you.....

Most of these guys are dead. Do you want to debate them or someone who is alive?

Why is it, that you think, "shoving words" that you have copied and pasted, "down someone's throat" is debate?

You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?

"Most of these guys are dead."

I can see where folks who are less than literate might dispense with the knowledge of those who came before us....

Sorry you are unable to realize the value of books.


"You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?"
It's difficult to suffer fools easily.

But, but...they're dead! So, obviously, their ideas died, to.

Right?

 

[Sky Dancer]

You're 'fear' is revealed by failure to address the rest of my post...but watch how easily I shove our words down your throat.

1. Walter Lippmann (23 September 1889 – 14 December 1974) was an American public intellectual, writer, reporter, and political commentator....In 1913, Lippmann, Herbert Croly, and Walter Weyl became the founding editors of The New Republic magazine. During World War I, Lippmann became an adviser to President Woodrow Wilson and assisted in the drafting of Wilson's Fourteen Points speech.
Walter Lippmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. "The meeting was named after Walter Lippmann, an American journalist whose new book La Cité libre was studied in detail at the meeting." 26 intellectuals took part in this meeting, including some of the most prominent liberal thinkers : Walter Lippmann,..."
Colloque Walter Lippmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. Seventy-two years ago, in 1937, at the height of the New Deal, Walter Lippmann, a repentant progressive, noted that:
“Throughout the world, in the name of progress, men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals, are unanimous in holding that government with its instruments of coercion must by commanding the people how they shall live, direct the course of civilization and fix the shape of things to come. . . . [T]he premises of authoritarian collectivism have become the working beliefs, the self-evident assumptions, the unquestioned axioms, not only of all the revolutionary regimes, but of nearly every effort which lays claim to being enlightened, humane, and progressive.

So universal is the dominion of this dogma over the minds of contemporary men that no one is taken seriously as a statesman or a theorist who does not come forward with proposals to magnify the power of public officials and to extend and multiply their intervention in human affairs. Unless he is authoritarian and collectivist, he is a mossback, a reactionary, at best an amiable eccentric swimming hopelessly against the tide. It is a strong tide. Though despotism is no novelty in human affairs, it is probably true that at no time in twenty-five hundred years has any western government claimed for itself a jurisdiction over men’s lives comparable with that which is officially attempted in totalitarian states. . . .

Nearly everywhere the mark of a progressive is that he relies at last upon the increased power of officials to improve the condition of men.

https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/digital/rahe/default.asp

Again??

men who call themselves communists, socialists, fascists, nationalists, progressives, and even liberals,

So....'lie'? 'brain-dead DUMB'? 'honestly stupid'?

Ain't it great when slanders like these go right back and bite you in the butt?


That sound?
That's me laughing at you.....

Most of these guys are dead. Do you want to debate them or someone who is alive?

Why is it, that you think, "shoving words" that you have copied and pasted, "down someone's throat" is debate?

You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?

"Most of these guys are dead."

I can see where folks who are less than literate might dispense with the knowledge of those who came before us....

Sorry you are unable to realize the value of books.


"You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?"
It's difficult to suffer fools easily.

Why not ask the people you debate with which books have influenced your politics and discuss those?

I'm sorry you have become so unfriendly to talk to. I used to enjoy your posts alot. Are you saying all liberals are fools and you don't to talk to any of us?

Books that have influenced my views include the People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, books by Madeline Albright on the Middle East, (sorry I have to look up the titles), Jimmy Carter's writings, among others.

 

[Katzndogz]

Prostitution should be legalized.

Of course! Sandra Fluke needs a real job.

While I personally can't see anything wrong with legalizing prostitution, I can't see any major benefit either. If prostitution were not only legal, but considered like any other normal legal business, I would not want to see men and women looking for work be penalized for turning down work in a whorehouse either. Can't you see some whore trade school popping up and advertising on television!

Will whores be allowed to discriminate? Suppose a whore doesn't want to engage in acts with the same sex. Are they punished? Will their license be revoked? What's to be done with street wakers who don't want to keep books and pay taxes? Now they are picked up for solicitation, kept until morning and let go. After licensing they could be prosecuted for tax evasion. What about the casual hooker? The woman who just wants to pay the rent, she ran short, turning a few tricks once in a while bridges the gap. Does SHE need a license for part time whoring? Will a licensed whore who teaches kindergarten during the day keep her job? How about minors? Will a 15 year old boy with Daddy's credit card get to go to a legal brothel or is he still limited to the next door neighbor.

This is one of those things that looks good on paper but doesn't work as well in real life. The best that can be said is that there will be legal brothels AND all the problems with illegal prostitiution that we have now.

Well I could think of a few benefits of legalizing the business, for starters we will take the business away from the pimps and gangsters on the street, and be able to get these girls cleaned up, alot of the street walkers are beaten regularly and get hooked on drugs by their pimp, as a way to keep power over her. Keep in mind Germany had legalized prostitution and they make billions off of it, look at how big our country is, thats alot of revenue, besides if you think prostitution is disgusting and perverted, just don't frequent the establishments, plaine and simple, besides making something illegal doesn't take it away anyways.

I don't think that prostitution is disgusting or perverted at all! Do you think that there is no illegal prositution in Germany? Do you think that if we had legal prostitution there would be no pimps or gangsters? You would be wrong. We would have nice, clean, well run, organized and taxpaying legal brothels AND pimps and street whores. Nevada has legal brothels. They require that the men get washed first and wear a condom. Where do you think men who don't want to fiddle with washing and have personal objections against condoms go? The pimps of Las Vegas! If a man wants to pay extra to beat the crap out of a woman, he just pays the pimp more. Drug up the whore and she won't be able to move. They won't get that in a legal brothel. The main difference is that instead of a little time lost by being picked up for solicitation, the street whores will be fighting tax evasion charges.

You are aware that in Germany a woman that turns down working in a brothel can lose her unemployment benefits aren't you?

Then there is the Netherlands. They have had legal prostitution longer than Germany. They recently cleaned up their famous red light district and closed over half the legal whorehouses. Why? Because the authorities found out that some of the legal sex workers weren't exactly willing. They had been kidnapped and sold to legal brothels as sex slaves. The women didn't get the money they earned. The brothels were owned and run by international criminal organizations.

There really isn't much of a moral objection to prostitution. Objecting to considering it a normal occuption might be objectionable, but not the act of prostitution. The logistics are another story. Likely there is a place for legal prostitution it can't hurt. Just recognize that it isn't going to help either.

 

[Si modo]

Most of these guys are dead. Do you want to debate them or someone who is alive?

Why is it, that you think, "shoving words" that you have copied and pasted, "down someone's throat" is debate?

You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?

"Most of these guys are dead."

I can see where folks who are less than literate might dispense with the knowledge of those who came before us....

Sorry you are unable to realize the value of books.


"You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?"
It's difficult to suffer fools easily.

Why not ask the people you debate with which books have influenced your politics and discuss those?

I'm sorry you have become so unfriendly to talk to. I used to enjoy your posts alot.

Your personal attacks aside, I imagine PC used those specific books because they were in response to a specific challenge.

Just a guess.

 

[Big Fitz]

Most of these guys are dead. Do you want to debate them or someone who is alive?

Why is it, that you think, "shoving words" that you have copied and pasted, "down someone's throat" is debate?

You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?

"Most of these guys are dead."

I can see where folks who are less than literate might dispense with the knowledge of those who came before us....

Sorry you are unable to realize the value of books.


"You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?"
It's difficult to suffer fools easily.

Why not ask the people you debate with which books have influenced your politics and discuss those?

I'm sorry you have become so unfriendly to talk to. I used to enjoy your posts alot. Are you saying all liberals are fools and you don't to talk to any of us?

Watch for dark silhouettes on the moral high ground! They're trying to escape that way!

 

[Dragon]

I could easily respond to all that drivel by pointing out that none of those individual even knew about, much less took part in, Stalin's atrocities, and that as soon as such things became known liberals suddenly distanced themselves from Communism, which is why you found Marxists involved in progressive movements and labor unions in the 1930s but no later on.

But really, the suggestion that liberals should be lumped in with Communists deserves no such complicated rebuttal. It's a preposterous suggestion from the get-go, and deserves nothing but contempt, as does anyone who makes it. It is utterly lacking in credibility, the stuff of John Birch Society craziness and conspiracy theories, and needs no more response than, say, birtherism or 9/11 truthism. It paints the person presenting it as either a liar or an idiot.

Personally, as I said, I think PC is a liar. But I could be wrong, and she might be really, really stupid instead.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're 'fear' is revealed by failure to address the rest of my post

The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one.

Very few things genuinely frighten me, and believe me you do NOT want to be one of them. You really don't.

Ooooooooo.......
Tough guy....anytime.
Anytime.

And..."The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one."

You can't.
Picked a fight..and you've lost.

When Galileo stated that everything falls at the same speed, he wasn’t referring to your reputation.

Now scurry off with your tail between your legs.
....just disappear into fat air already.

 

[Big Fitz]

You're 'fear' is revealed by failure to address the rest of my post

The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one.

Very few things genuinely frighten me, and believe me you do NOT want to be one of them. You really don't.

Ooooooooo.......
Tough guy....anytime.
Anytime.

And..."The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one."

You can't.
Picked a fight..and you've lost.

When Galileo stated that everything falls at the same speed, he wasn’t referring to your reputation.

Now scurry off with your tail between your legs.
....just disappear into fat air already.

Show him your pic of you with that Uzi. That'll scare him. LOL

 

[Sky Dancer]

"Most of these guys are dead."

I can see where folks who are less than literate might dispense with the knowledge of those who came before us....

Sorry you are unable to realize the value of books.


"You didn't use to be so hostile. What happened?"
It's difficult to suffer fools easily.

Why not ask the people you debate with which books have influenced your politics and discuss those?

I'm sorry you have become so unfriendly to talk to. I used to enjoy your posts alot.

Your personal attacks aside, I imagine PC used those specific books because they were in response to a specific challenge.

Just a guess.

Don't guess. Ask her. She's not talking to me.

 

[Si modo]

I could easily respond to all that drivel by pointing out that none of those individual even knew about, much less took part in, Stalin's atrocities, and that as soon as such things became known liberals suddenly distanced themselves from Communism, which is why you found Marxists involved in progressive movements and labor unions in the 1930s but no later on.

But really, the suggestion that liberals should be lumped in with Communists deserves no such complicated rebuttal. It's a preposterous suggestion from the get-go, and deserves nothing but contempt, as does anyone who makes it. It is utterly lacking in credibility, the stuff of John Birch Society craziness and conspiracy theories, and needs no more response than, say, birtherism or 9/11 truthism. It paints the person presenting it as either a liar or an idiot.

Personally, as I said, I think PC is a liar. But I could be wrong, and she might be really, really stupid instead.

Oh goodie! It's time to play the most flaming false dichotomy!

Dragon is either a moron or an authoritarian, ex-commie Stalinist.

Now that that is out of the way, the topic is once again available for discussion.

You can thank me later.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one.

Very few things genuinely frighten me, and believe me you do NOT want to be one of them. You really don't.

Ooooooooo.......
Tough guy....anytime.
Anytime.

And..."The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one."

You can't.
Picked a fight..and you've lost.

When Galileo stated that everything falls at the same speed, he wasn’t referring to your reputation.

Now scurry off with your tail between your legs.
....just disappear into fat air already.

Show him your pic of you with that Uzi. That'll scare him. LOL

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8]Scarface - Say Hello To My Little Friend (HD) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Big Fitz]

Ooooooooo.......
Tough guy....anytime.
Anytime.

And..."The rest of your post deserved no address. Nor does this one."

You can't.
Picked a fight..and you've lost.

When Galileo stated that everything falls at the same speed, he wasn’t referring to your reputation.

Now scurry off with your tail between your legs.
....just disappear into fat air already.

Show him your pic of you with that Uzi. That'll scare him. LOL

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8]Scarface - Say Hello To My Little Friend (HD) - YouTube[/ame]

Pfft. That's an AR-15 (possibly an M-16) with underslung M-203.

 

[Sky Dancer]

PC has a profile pic of herself with a handgun. Is that supposed to intimidate us?

 

[Si modo]

PC has a profile pic of herself with a gun. Is that supposed to intimidate us?

How does this relate to the actual topic?

 

[Sky Dancer]

PC has a profile pic of herself with a gun. Is that supposed to intimidate us?

How does this relate to the actual topic?

Nothing she's posted relates to the topic. Her pal suggested that she post a pic of herself with an UZI, I point out she has already done something like that.

I think it's weird. Don't you?

Fitz wants PC to scare us, and PC wants to "shove these words down your throat".

No matter what obnoxious behavior the RW posters do here, you defend them, and attack those of us whose politics lean left.