Small Town Rural America Has Been Screwed

[kaz]

Right wingers come out in hives when you mention higher wages. Higher wages are communism because they reduce the profits that their masters make. Its the big right wing con.

Hitler boy being dilutional ...

 

[DukeU]

Illegal immigrants are coming for jobs. Capitalism. They’re being employed by people who want cheap labor. Capitalism.

Best thing we could do is secure our border and stop them from coming in and taking jobs from our citizens. And, penalize ANY company who employs them.

But, that's common sense, they will never do it.

 

[colfax_m]

Illegal immigrants are coming for jobs. Capitalism. They’re being employed by people who want cheap labor. Capitalism.

Best thing we could do is secure our border and stop them from coming in and taking jobs from our citizens. And, penalize ANY company who employs them.

But, that's common sense, they will never do it.

And you’re putting artificial constraints on the labor supply.

So what happens is that corporations ship those jobs overseas when they can and most of the rest of them probably disappear.

 

[DukeU]

And you’re putting artificial constraints on the labor supply.

So what happens is that corporations ship those jobs overseas when they can and most of the rest of them probably disappear.

It's not artificial constraints to enforce our laws. Tax rates, and suffocating regulations are what sends our jobs overseas.

 

[Papageorgio]

Right wingers come out in hives when you mention higher wages. Higher wages are communism because they reduce the profits that their masters make. Its the big right wing con.

I do not disagree with paying someone a living wage as long as they are worth the pay.

You want me to pay someone no matter their worth which is wrong in my eyes!

Well thats not quite what I am saying. Valuing what somebody does is a complex issue. And I am not arguing for everyone to be paid the same. But if someone works at a job all week they should at least be able to enjoy a reasonable standard of living. We can discuss what that is if you want to start another thread.

I am good paying someone what they are worth.

 

[Papageorgio]

Hey, I've got a great idea, democrats. Why dont you overrun border states with illegal immigrants and then posit yourself as the only solution to all the problems you are causing!

Illegal immigrants are coming for jobs. Capitalism. They’re being employed by people who want cheap labor. Capitalism.

You’ve got a convenient scapegoat for behavior that is founded in the principles of the system that we are supposed to see as the best possible system.

Companies that hire illegals need to pay fines and ownership should be sent to jail and the illegals need to be sent back to their countries.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Right wingers come out in hives when you mention higher wages. Higher wages are communism because they reduce the profits that their masters make. Its the big right wing con.

I do not disagree with paying someone a living wage as long as they are worth the pay.

You want me to pay someone no matter their worth which is wrong in my eyes!

Well thats not quite what I am saying. Valuing what somebody does is a complex issue. And I am not arguing for everyone to be paid the same. But if someone works at a job all week they should at least be able to enjoy a reasonable standard of living. We can discuss what that is if you want to start another thread.

I am good paying someone what they are worth.

And what do you use to st that level ?

 

[Orangecat]

People generally agree with me but they are reluctant to admit it.

People generally agree that you're a misguided shill spouting leftist propaganda and are happy to call you out on it.

 

[Mac-7]

You say stopping a factory from emitting their waste into the rivers is expensive. I say it is expensive to not stop it.

I say driving American companies out of business and making our workers unemployed so that china can make the same stuff cheaper by polluting their water and air is extremely stupid on our part

 

[pknopp]

People generally agree with me but they are reluctant to admit it.

People generally agree that you're a misguided shill spouting leftist propaganda and are happy to call you out on it.

Grow up.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

I've been on a road trip that I've wanted to do for a very long time.

I drove east to Illinois then am driving southwest to the Pacific Ocean on what's left of Route 66.

That road, or what's left of it, goes through small town rural America.

I've gone through ghost town after ghost town. The towns that aren't abandoned are so deeply depressed it's painful and shameful to see.

Small town rural America has been totally screwed and abandoned by both our government and our citizens.

I understand now why so many republicans are so angry. I don't understand why they can't see why they have been screwed so badly and by whom.

Most of the states and all of the towns are controlled by republicans. People keep voting for them because of social issues like gay marriage and because they don't make much money and wrongly seem to believe that tax cuts are the answer to their financial problems.

Tax cuts have only totally screwed small town rural America. Their roads are so bad. I mean so bad that there were times the rough road and wind has my car literally bouncing down the road. When was the last time their roads were paved? The poverty is just terrible.

This is the result of keeping wages low, no regulation on business and trillions in tax cuts for the rich and big business.

Capitalism is making it worse because there's no money to be made in those areas so they are abandoned by business which results in more depressed economic conditions.

Raising wages will help these people a lot. Not just by increasing their own pay but by increased business from others being paid more. No little tax cut that is temporary will be a solution to such poverty. Higher wages will.

Better education will help a lot. So people don't have to take low wage jobs that require public assistance to be able to survive.

Small town rural America needs to stop electing politicians who don't give a damn about them and won't invest in the people and the areas they live in.

I was in one place that the water coming out of the faucet was a light brown and cloudy. I didn't wash my hands, I used hand sanitizer instead.

I have gone through countless towns that are totally abandoned. I've gone through farming areas that there aren't houses on the land. Just farming. People don't live in those areas anymore so the towns are turning into ghost towns.

The air in Oklahoma and Texas was so polluted it has caused a sinus infection. And people live in those areas. I can only imagine the health problems of the people in those areas but they don't have any hospital or medical facilities to go to. They have to travel hundreds of miles to get medical help.

Younger people who weren't alive before Reagan think this is normal.

It's not.

America wasn't like this before the conservatives convinced Americans that taxes, regulations, worker protections, a livable wage and investing in our nation was a horrible thing.

I totally understand now why so many in small town rural America voted for trump. He was the first republican who actually vocalized the problems the Republican Party was creating.

Only he either went about fixing the problem wrong or just didn't do anything. Which is what he mostly did. Nothing. In fact, things got worse for small town rural America.

I don't know what the solution is to help these people see that voting for republicans got them in this mess and won't get them out of it.

But I finally saw for myself the reasons why republicans voted for trump.

Who are you trying to fool? You and your leftists party hate those small town people. You party believes these are dumb country folk clinging to there guns and religion and are hold the demleftists back from fundamentally transforming America.

 

[progressive hunter]

People generally agree with me but they are reluctant to admit it.

People generally agree that you're a misguided shill spouting leftist propaganda and are happy to call you out on it.

Grow up.

take your own advice,,,

 

[LordBrownTrout]

People should simply be happy living 4 families to a house?

If we want a capitalist society, they’re supposed to be miserable with that quality of life and that misery is supposed to make them acquire more valuable skills.

My point is that people need to stop worshiping capitalism as a religion but holy shit we’ve been so indoctrinated that it’s really hard to get anyone to admit it’s failings.

Capitalism doesn't have failings. People who are dishonest, greedy, corrupt are the ones who have failed.

If it doesn't have failings someone would actually be practicing it.

Hundreds of thousands of small businesses actually do. Most corporations don't.

No they don't really either. Thousands of small businesses took the PPP "loans", which were not loans. Where in Capitalism do we find the government paying a businesses wages?

I own a company. I didn't take any of their loans. Most small business weren't able to take the loans. Your last sentence makes no sense.

Of course it does. That is what the PPP program did.

They didn't pay business wages. I know two people that received a loan for x amount of dollars. They appropriated those funds however needed to their business.

Employees, business costs, etc, none of it is capitalism.

The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit. Labor, rent, employees, revenues, expenditures are all part of it.

 

[TheParser]

1. I have never been to rural America and have no interest in doing so.

2. I am guessing, however, that some of those poor Caucasian people who live there may not be so unhappy as some imagine.

3. Life in those "ghost towns" may be more peaceful and enjoyable than living in many notorious Southern and Northern cities (no need to name them).

 

[pknopp]

You say stopping a factory from emitting their waste into the rivers is expensive. I say it is expensive to not stop it.

I say driving American companies out of business and making our workers unemployed so that china can make the same stuff cheaper by polluting their water and air is extremely stupid on our part

Absolutely.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

1. I have never been to rural America and have no interest in doing so.

2. I am guessing, however, that some of those poor Caucasian people who live there may not be so unhappy as some imagine.

3. Life in those "ghost towns" may be more peaceful and enjoyable than living in many notorious Southern and Northern cities (no need to name them).

Its very peaceful being away from a big city.

 

[pknopp]

People should simply be happy living 4 families to a house?

If we want a capitalist society, they’re supposed to be miserable with that quality of life and that misery is supposed to make them acquire more valuable skills.

My point is that people need to stop worshiping capitalism as a religion but holy shit we’ve been so indoctrinated that it’s really hard to get anyone to admit it’s failings.

Capitalism doesn't have failings. People who are dishonest, greedy, corrupt are the ones who have failed.

If it doesn't have failings someone would actually be practicing it.

Hundreds of thousands of small businesses actually do. Most corporations don't.

No they don't really either. Thousands of small businesses took the PPP "loans", which were not loans. Where in Capitalism do we find the government paying a businesses wages?

I own a company. I didn't take any of their loans. Most small business weren't able to take the loans. Your last sentence makes no sense.

Of course it does. That is what the PPP program did.

They didn't pay business wages. I know two people that received a loan for x amount of dollars. They appropriated those funds however needed to their business.

Employees, business costs, etc, none of it is capitalism.

The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit. Labor, rent, employees, revenues, expenditures are all part of it.

Which is irrelevant to what I said. Nowhere in capitalism do you find the taxpayers paying for that.

 

[colfax_m]

I say driving American companies out of business and making our workers unemployed so that china can make the same stuff cheaper by polluting their water and air is extremely stupid on our part

China is always going to make stuff cheaper unless Americans willing to work at their wages for their hours and suffer their lack of standards.

Has nothing to do with politics.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

People should simply be happy living 4 families to a house?

If we want a capitalist society, they’re supposed to be miserable with that quality of life and that misery is supposed to make them acquire more valuable skills.

My point is that people need to stop worshiping capitalism as a religion but holy shit we’ve been so indoctrinated that it’s really hard to get anyone to admit it’s failings.

Capitalism doesn't have failings. People who are dishonest, greedy, corrupt are the ones who have failed.

If it doesn't have failings someone would actually be practicing it.

Hundreds of thousands of small businesses actually do. Most corporations don't.

No they don't really either. Thousands of small businesses took the PPP "loans", which were not loans. Where in Capitalism do we find the government paying a businesses wages?

I own a company. I didn't take any of their loans. Most small business weren't able to take the loans. Your last sentence makes no sense.

Of course it does. That is what the PPP program did.

They didn't pay business wages. I know two people that received a loan for x amount of dollars. They appropriated those funds however needed to their business.

Employees, business costs, etc, none of it is capitalism.

The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit. Labor, rent, employees, revenues, expenditures are all part of it.

Which is irrelevant to what I said. Nowhere in capitalism do you find the taxpayers paying for that.

Again, you make no sense.

 

[colfax_m]

Companies that hire illegals need to pay fines and ownership should be sent to jail and the illegals need to be sent back to their countries.

Companies will send their jobs along with the illegals.