So, how many leftists will admit socialism failed Venezuela?

[Meathead]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

 

[edward37]

When discussing the leader of any Socialist or Communist country, the noun that ALWAYS used to describe him is: Dictator. The reason for that is, he's stole all your stuff, by force, if necessary and now lives in fear of the next guy taking all his stuff , which used to be your stuff.

You have to be a COMPLETELY FUCKING IGNORANT ASSHOLE to believe that you'll be - magically -- better off after surrendering your weapons, freedoms and property to an all powerful government.

"How many of you are COMPLETELY FUCKING IGNORANT ASSHOLES who believe that you'll be - magically -- better off after surrendering your weapons, freedoms and property to an all powerful government"?

That line is so fine it was worthy of repeating. Any adult who believes bigger, greasier, all-powerful central gov't is the best way to organize our society is too stupid to be part of our society.

If one isn't liberal at 25, one is heartless but if still liberal at 35, one is brainless.

since light travels faster than sound some people appear bright until you hear them speak

 

[edward37]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

And I know only morons bash those that are far superior to them Dragon has you beat by many miles

 

[basquebromance]

when Truman proposed Medicare, the AMA called it socialist and got Reagan on their side.

 

[Meathead]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

And I know only morons bash those that are far superior to them Dragon has you beat by many miles

I'm sorry Eddie. You do these things to yourself you know. Besides, Trump is not going to step down because you and dragon are butthut parasites. You get that, right?

 

[danielpalos]

correcting for simple poverty through unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could make market based economics more efficient. All adult market participants should have recourse to an income, even if only to correct for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

In that manner, a form of full employment of capital resources can be better achieved.

 

[sakinago]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

“Mixed economy” just means government is going to take over an entire industry like Venezuela and oil. That’s exactly what I said Bernie wanted, to take over entire industries, like banking. Wanting better schools, roads, or expanding Medicaid does not make a country a social democracy. After all, Lenin was a democratic socialist. Doing Medicare for all while banning private insurance (like Bernie wants) wouldn’t technically count either, but it’d be damn close and eventually lead to government running the entire medical industry out of necessity decades later. That’s also an extremely unpopular policy even among democrats that don’t live in NYC or the in cities lining the pacific coast.

“Bigger Bombs” actually don’t account for the accruing debt in the US, they are budgeted for, and only make up 16% of the budget (that’s the entire military budget). That doesn’t mean that cost can’t come down. The question is, is it prudent to do so with China aggressively growing their technologically advanced military (which is now the largest military in the world), and aggressively flexing that military to the rest of the world, mainly their neighbors. Mind you China is a country that’s currently disappearing Muslims into concentration camps, they definitely aren’t good guys. I don’t think it’s prudent, the only thing stopping China from swallowing the rest Asia is America’s naval and air dominance. It sucks but the truth of the world is the best deterrence of war is a strong military. Since the US gained military dominance, there has never been a major war between major military powers, unlike the rest of human history where that was a constant and would led to the death of millions every time one broke out every 20 years or so. What’s not budgeted for and causing the uncontrollable rise in debt is social programs, like social security, which are just government sanctioned Ponzi schemes (get a new larger round of investors to pay of the last round of investors, until you are out of investors). The nation has run out of “investors”, and social security will be bankrupt within a decade.

No major war ??Give Trump 4 more years and you just might get one

Nope, the truth of the matter is no one wants war with the US. That won’t change for a long time, maybe in 20 years. China has 2 super carriers that have never seen action, we have 19 that have been apart of engagements in the gulf here and there, as well as extensive experience all around the globe since the inception of carrier warfare. We do not want war with China, because it would be a devastating war. Even more so China really really does not want war with us. Even if China teamed up with Russia, our naval strength still severely outnumbers and outguns them. Even if there were some bat shit crazy president who wants a major war super bad, as aggressive as Russia and China act, they’d most certainly blink first and capitulate. They like to poke the bear, but they know as a republic, that bear isn’t going to do anything unless truly provoked. They on the other hand are dictatorships (basically Russia is), and they can get away with it and not have to worry about re-election. The military industrial complex, as much as I hate it, is a necessary evil with the likes of China and Russia, and even smaller world players like North Korea and Iran. It does keep them in check.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Socialism fails when it dominates over Capitalism. Socialism necessarily kills off the Middle Class. Socialism locks in a true 1 percent elite while the rest are simply , “ the masses.”

where do you guys get your propaganda and rhetoric? socialism fails because it requires social morals for free not a capital profit motive.

raising the minimum wage and health care reform can help the least wealthy afford our first world economy.

Market-driven high wages and healthcare reform help the least wealthy. Arbitrary and artificial mandates by way of Socialism causes failure. My propaganda is rooted in Econ 101 and historical analysis. And your propaganda is “social morality”? Who or what is the authority on that?

Being Least wealthy currently in the US means rent, food, healthcare, cell phones, big screen TVs, premium tv service? Where else - what socialist country - would the Least wealthy rather be?

Capitalism works better than Socialism.

Not when it really really matters. Besides, Government seems to solve all problems for the right wing, not market economics.

Our Space Race and moon landing was socialism commanding capitalism to do it. The private sector is still looking for a profit motive.

Nothing but repeal has never been a solution nor have mere tax cuts for the wealthiest.

You people keep saying “tax cuts for the wealthy” as a continual basis for tapping into class envy so that the US economic system can be transformed from Capitalistinc to Socialist. There are multiple flaws in this approach. First, you have yet to consistently define “wealthy” yet somehow includes The Middle Class. Further, you don’t go after the wealthy you go after income earners which by and large are Middle Class. If you truly went after the wealthy, there is no way Pelosi, Kerry, and other wealthy liberal elites would sign off unless they were exempt.

Liberals need to be held accountable for defining what wealthy is and provide empirical basis for why and how taxing/ taking further without cutting spending is good for US.

Tapping into class envy is a tired approach.

it is not envy in my case; it is more a form of frustration with the right wing. Equal protection of the law is expressed in our federal and State Constitutions; yet, according to the right wing, the Poor are not really worth equal protection of the law.

In the US, we could have solved simple poverty when due to a mere lack of income that would otherwise be obtained from participation in the market for labor. Only Capital must circulate under capitalism. Yet, the right wing insists on a social work ethic from the Age of Iron, in modern information age times.

Fair enough. I appreciate your insight and perspective. Your frustration with the right wing mirrors my frustration with the left wing. I am very conservative when it comes to economic and fiscal policies. That said, the greatest economic position of a President did not come from Ronald Reagan but JFK when he said: “A rising tide raises all ships”. To your point, the Left wants all of these government-funded programs both social and economic - yet their plan to pay for them is to squeeze and punish corporations and high income earners. To me, that is like squeezing water out of a rock.

 

[Dragonlady]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

It didn’t fail, they just practiced it wrong. Every state that tries it just practices it wrong, obviously. Once our socialists get into power, they will of course be the ones who do it right. If it fails it’ll just prove that they weren’t ever socialists, but actually just right wing extremists. Duh.

The real problem is that you right wingers go bat shit crazy over every country like Venezuela or Greece, where there is enough incompetence and corruption on both sides to easily explain why their economyies failed, and seize on them as examples of what happens in every socialist country, which is an out and out lie. You ignore every other economically successfuly socially democratic country in the world, including the United States. Since the 1980's when Republicans started cutting taxes for the wealthy on the backs of the working class and the middle class, and living on borrowed funds, your standing in the world in research, education, infrastructure, and medicine have fallen. Once a world leader in all of these fields, your fixation on military spending, wars, and putting it all on the credit card, are destroying your nation from within.

The United States used to have the best educated workforce in the world, the best infrastructure, the latest technology, and the best laws to protect patents and innovation in the world. It didn't hurt that after WWII, the USA had the only manufacturing capability left in the first world, with Europe in ruins. It only has the best patent protections, and most powerful and best equipped army in the world. Education, infrastructure, and guaranteed medical treatment for all have been sacrified on the alter of the Military Industrial Complex, 18 years of endless, expensive, and mostly unnecessary and unwise, wars.

You can't afford maternity leave for pregnant women, but you can afford to go to war with Iran. The war will cost more, and at the end of the day, achieve less for your people, than maternity leave will, but you'll cheer the war, and call maternity leave a communist threat.

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. They failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Tariffs are killing the heartland Will they still kiss trumps butt ?....probably

US balance of trade 2016 under Barrack Obama $735.326 billion dollars deficit.

US balance of trade 2018 under Donald Trump $874.813 billion dollars.

In two short years under the "America First" President, who has renegotiated trade deals with Japan, Korea, NAFTA, and slapped tariffs on China, Canada, the EU, and Mexico, has INCREASED THE TRADE DEFICIT BY OVER 15%. Tariffs are now costing every American household $800 year. Added to which, soybean farmers have now received close to $30 billion in government subsidies to make up for the sales lost when China cancelled sales last year and went elsewhere.

Then there's the border crisis. 2016 - lowest number of illegal border crossings in 50 years, 10,000 people in ICE custody. Today, illegal border crossings are at their highest levels in 15 years, and 40,000 people are in ICE Custody. So much for ending illegal immigration.

The stock market has been stalled since early 2018, spooked by tariff's, and deficit spending, and several "corrections".

No wall, no immigration reform, no $4000 raised Trump promised to workers from the tax cuts. No tax cut for the working class. 5 million people have lost their health care insurance, despite increased employment. No infrastructure spending. Deaths from opiod abuse up 25% since Trump was elected. Wage gap is widening. And women's reproductive rights are being trampled.

 

[edward37]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

It didn’t fail, they just practiced it wrong. Every state that tries it just practices it wrong, obviously. Once our socialists get into power, they will of course be the ones who do it right. If it fails it’ll just prove that they weren’t ever socialists, but actually just right wing extremists. Duh.

The real problem is that you right wingers go bat shit crazy over every country like Venezuela or Greece, where there is enough incompetence and corruption on both sides to easily explain why their economyies failed, and seize on them as examples of what happens in every socialist country, which is an out and out lie. You ignore every other economically successfuly socially democratic country in the world, including the United States. Since the 1980's when Republicans started cutting taxes for the wealthy on the backs of the working class and the middle class, and living on borrowed funds, your standing in the world in research, education, infrastructure, and medicine have fallen. Once a world leader in all of these fields, your fixation on military spending, wars, and putting it all on the credit card, are destroying your nation from within.

The United States used to have the best educated workforce in the world, the best infrastructure, the latest technology, and the best laws to protect patents and innovation in the world. It didn't hurt that after WWII, the USA had the only manufacturing capability left in the first world, with Europe in ruins. It only has the best patent protections, and most powerful and best equipped army in the world. Education, infrastructure, and guaranteed medical treatment for all have been sacrified on the alter of the Military Industrial Complex, 18 years of endless, expensive, and mostly unnecessary and unwise, wars.

You can't afford maternity leave for pregnant women, but you can afford to go to war with Iran. The war will cost more, and at the end of the day, achieve less for your people, than maternity leave will, but you'll cheer the war, and call maternity leave a communist threat.

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. They failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Tariffs are killing the heartland Will they still kiss trumps butt ?....probably

US balance of trade 2016 under Barrack Obama $735.326 billion dollars deficit.

US balance of trade 2018 under Donald Trump $874.813 billion dollars.

In two short years under the "America First" President, who has renegotiated trade deals with Japan, Korea, NAFTA, and slapped tariffs on China, Canada, the EU, and Mexico, has INCREASED THE TRADE DEFICIT BY OVER 15%. Tariffs are now costing every American household $800 year. Added to which, soybean farmers have now received close to $30 billion in government subsidies to make up for the sales lost when China cancelled sales last year and went elsewhere.

Then there's the border crisis. 2016 - lowest number of illegal border crossings in 50 years, 10,000 people in ICE custody. Today, illegal border crossings are at their highest levels in 15 years, and 40,000 people are in ICE Custody. So much for ending illegal immigration.

The stock market has been stalled since early 2018, spooked by tariff's, and deficit spending, and several "corrections".

No wall, no immigration reform, no $4000 raised Trump promised to workers from the tax cuts. No tax cut for the working class. 5 million people have lost their health care insurance, despite increased employment. No infrastructure spending. Deaths from opiod abuse up 25% since Trump was elected. Wage gap is widening. And women's reproductive rights are being trampled.

And now our markets are signaling 2 rate cuts Guess they see the sign posts up ahead

 

[edward37]

where do you guys get your propaganda and rhetoric? socialism fails because it requires social morals for free not a capital profit motive.

raising the minimum wage and health care reform can help the least wealthy afford our first world economy.

Market-driven high wages and healthcare reform help the least wealthy. Arbitrary and artificial mandates by way of Socialism causes failure. My propaganda is rooted in Econ 101 and historical analysis. And your propaganda is “social morality”? Who or what is the authority on that?

Being Least wealthy currently in the US means rent, food, healthcare, cell phones, big screen TVs, premium tv service? Where else - what socialist country - would the Least wealthy rather be?

Capitalism works better than Socialism.

Not when it really really matters. Besides, Government seems to solve all problems for the right wing, not market economics.

Our Space Race and moon landing was socialism commanding capitalism to do it. The private sector is still looking for a profit motive.

Nothing but repeal has never been a solution nor have mere tax cuts for the wealthiest.

You people keep saying “tax cuts for the wealthy” as a continual basis for tapping into class envy so that the US economic system can be transformed from Capitalistinc to Socialist. There are multiple flaws in this approach. First, you have yet to consistently define “wealthy” yet somehow includes The Middle Class. Further, you don’t go after the wealthy you go after income earners which by and large are Middle Class. If you truly went after the wealthy, there is no way Pelosi, Kerry, and other wealthy liberal elites would sign off unless they were exempt.

Liberals need to be held accountable for defining what wealthy is and provide empirical basis for why and how taxing/ taking further without cutting spending is good for US.

Tapping into class envy is a tired approach.

it is not envy in my case; it is more a form of frustration with the right wing. Equal protection of the law is expressed in our federal and State Constitutions; yet, according to the right wing, the Poor are not really worth equal protection of the law.

In the US, we could have solved simple poverty when due to a mere lack of income that would otherwise be obtained from participation in the market for labor. Only Capital must circulate under capitalism. Yet, the right wing insists on a social work ethic from the Age of Iron, in modern information age times.

Fair enough. I appreciate your insight and perspective. Your frustration with the right wing mirrors my frustration with the left wing. I am very conservative when it comes to economic and fiscal policies. That said, the greatest economic position of a President did not come from Ronald Reagan but JFK when he said: “A rising tide raises all ships”. To your point, the Left wants all of these government-funded programs both social and economic - yet their plan to pay for them is to squeeze and punish corporations and high income earners. To me, that is like squeezing water out of a rock.

Sorry for butting in but wasn't Trumps great give away to mostly the wealthy supposed to pay for itself ?? It didn't lift all boats it just let the rich buy bigger yachts

 

[edward37]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

And I know only morons bash those that are far superior to them Dragon has you beat by many miles

I'm sorry Eddie. You do these things to yourself you know. Besides, Trump is not going to step down because you and dragon are butthut parasites. You get that, right?

I could cut and paste the 5 figures I made in todays market so I'm far from a parasite Most Dems are not parasites Sure we have some but then again many necks are too

 

[Meathead]

Oh Jesus Christ. Thanks for confirming this Monmouth University poll NBC Polling Data Shows Sanders Voters Are 'Low Information' And Sanders Voters AREN'T Happy

Social programs are different from socialism, believe it or not. I know that because many of the letters match in the same order between the two words, so it may get a little confusing for you...but there is a difference. The Nordic nations and United States are all capitalistic countries, much different to what sanders advocates for which is the government owning/control production of entire industries. Sanders may advocate for larger social programs, but he also advocates for government owning production of industries. Venezuela, USSR, and countless other South American experiments as example, were all socialist countries that failed. The failed like they do

Every

Single

Time
a narcissist comes into power who thinks they know how to properly manipulate and incredibly complex and ever evolving system like a market.

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

And I know only morons bash those that are far superior to them Dragon has you beat by many miles

I'm sorry Eddie. You do these things to yourself you know. Besides, Trump is not going to step down because you and dragon are butthut parasites. You get that, right?

I could cut and paste the 5 figures I made in todays market so I'm far from a parasite Most Dems are not parasites Sure we have some but then again many necks are too

Yeah Eddie. We know. We're all highly successful and savy business people on USMB. Did you know Gator was a Marine war hero, a billionaire and a PhD? We have millionaires on food stamps here ffs!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Actually corruption ruined Ven.

When will Cons admit that Venezuela “socialism “ has nothing to do with the democratic socialist ideas we have in America.

democratic socialism...bernie teach you a new word to throw around?....

 

[danielpalos]

where do you guys get your propaganda and rhetoric? socialism fails because it requires social morals for free not a capital profit motive.

raising the minimum wage and health care reform can help the least wealthy afford our first world economy.

Market-driven high wages and healthcare reform help the least wealthy. Arbitrary and artificial mandates by way of Socialism causes failure. My propaganda is rooted in Econ 101 and historical analysis. And your propaganda is “social morality”? Who or what is the authority on that?

Being Least wealthy currently in the US means rent, food, healthcare, cell phones, big screen TVs, premium tv service? Where else - what socialist country - would the Least wealthy rather be?

Capitalism works better than Socialism.

Not when it really really matters. Besides, Government seems to solve all problems for the right wing, not market economics.

Our Space Race and moon landing was socialism commanding capitalism to do it. The private sector is still looking for a profit motive.

Nothing but repeal has never been a solution nor have mere tax cuts for the wealthiest.

You people keep saying “tax cuts for the wealthy” as a continual basis for tapping into class envy so that the US economic system can be transformed from Capitalistinc to Socialist. There are multiple flaws in this approach. First, you have yet to consistently define “wealthy” yet somehow includes The Middle Class. Further, you don’t go after the wealthy you go after income earners which by and large are Middle Class. If you truly went after the wealthy, there is no way Pelosi, Kerry, and other wealthy liberal elites would sign off unless they were exempt.

Liberals need to be held accountable for defining what wealthy is and provide empirical basis for why and how taxing/ taking further without cutting spending is good for US.

Tapping into class envy is a tired approach.

it is not envy in my case; it is more a form of frustration with the right wing. Equal protection of the law is expressed in our federal and State Constitutions; yet, according to the right wing, the Poor are not really worth equal protection of the law.

In the US, we could have solved simple poverty when due to a mere lack of income that would otherwise be obtained from participation in the market for labor. Only Capital must circulate under capitalism. Yet, the right wing insists on a social work ethic from the Age of Iron, in modern information age times.

Fair enough. I appreciate your insight and perspective. Your frustration with the right wing mirrors my frustration with the left wing. I am very conservative when it comes to economic and fiscal policies. That said, the greatest economic position of a President did not come from Ronald Reagan but JFK when he said: “A rising tide raises all ships”. To your point, the Left wants all of these government-funded programs both social and economic - yet their plan to pay for them is to squeeze and punish corporations and high income earners. To me, that is like squeezing water out of a rock.

solving simple poverty through equal protection of the law is more market friendly and cost efficient that what we have now.

 

[edward37]

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

And I know only morons bash those that are far superior to them Dragon has you beat by many miles

I'm sorry Eddie. You do these things to yourself you know. Besides, Trump is not going to step down because you and dragon are butthut parasites. You get that, right?

I could cut and paste the 5 figures I made in todays market so I'm far from a parasite Most Dems are not parasites Sure we have some but then again many necks are too

Yeah Eddie. We know. We're all highly successful and savy business people on USMB. Did you know Gator was a Marine war hero, a billionaire and a PhD? We have millionaires on food stamps here ffs!

Well I take some folks with a grain of salt too There's no way to prove it so can't fault you for thinking it's all BS Just a pretty shitty way IMO to go thru life believing nothing anyone says

 

[Harry Dresden]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

Socialism didn't fail Venezuela. They built their economy on a one legged platform and to make matters worse elected a dictator, just like we did.

if trump is a dictator how come you can bad mouth him in public and not get arrested?....just asking....

 

[edward37]

Another idiot conservative who thinks he knows who I am and what I'm thinking. Not one of you has come close, and you're so off base you're a joke.

I wouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders if he were the ONLY candidate running, assuming of course I was an American and could vote. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an opportunistic asshole who wants the Dems organization and war chest for an independent run at the Presidency.

I am well aware of WHAT socialism is, and the definition YOU'RE applying is not the mixed economy that Sanders, and the other "socialist" candidates are calling for. They're calling for an economy that rewards the workers as well as the capitalists, like it did BEFORE Reagan tilted the tax code so that the wealthy were the ONLY beneficiaries of growth and higher profits. Before he gutted the anti-trust legislation leading to behemouth companies and mega-billionaires and the wages for working Americans, as a percentage of GDP, not seen since the 1800's.

The people want BETTER schools, not bigger bombs. They want health care for ALL. They want roads and bridges that aren't collapsing and falling apart. They want fair wages, not crumbs to be fought over in "right to work" states.

You're a fat socialist woman who thinks others should pay for you. See, we know.

And I know only morons bash those that are far superior to them Dragon has you beat by many miles

I'm sorry Eddie. You do these things to yourself you know. Besides, Trump is not going to step down because you and dragon are butthut parasites. You get that, right?

I could cut and paste the 5 figures I made in todays market so I'm far from a parasite Most Dems are not parasites Sure we have some but then again many necks are too

Yeah Eddie. We know. We're all highly successful and savy business people on USMB. Did you know Gator was a Marine war hero, a billionaire and a PhD? We have millionaires on food stamps here ffs!

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[Harry Dresden]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

Thats not democratic socialism in Venezuela, that is a dictatorship. Democratic socialism is what you find in Western Europe, and it's working fine, much better than the predatory capitalism that exists in the U.S..

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

democratic socilism....you been listning to bernie just like timmy...

 

[edward37]

Do you think the che guevera worshipers are able to admit that?

Socialism didn't fail Venezuela. They built their economy on a one legged platform and to make matters worse elected a dictator, just like we did.

if trump is a dictator how come you can bad mouth him in public and not get arrested?....just asking....

There are still some things he can't do But the King thinks he's above the law