So....how many posters do we have who have heard of this INCEL Movement?

[WinterBorn]

You continue to move the goalposts.

First you say that benefits will provide a boost in a local economy.

When I point out that taking money from one person and giving it to another does not increase the money circulated, you go back to the claims that there needs to be an institutional solution. There is an institutional solution. Welfare.

dude, you never understood the concepts and simply rely on stories and stereotypes.

I understand the concepts quite well. There is not one story or stereotype in my posts. Not one, and you cannot show me any.

The safety nets are for those who need them. You do not need them, you want them.

Solving simple poverty on an at-will basis is on the agenda.

Solving poverty is always on the agenda. But you are not living in poverty. You have all you need.

i can't believe you, individual Person. Government has the authority over fixed Standards.

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

 

[WinterBorn]

As I said, welfare accomplishes that.

no, it doesn't. that is why nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

Yes, it does. It provides an income, food, and healthcare for those who need it.

it simply distorts normal market activity. unemployment compensation is more cost effective and means tested welfare will become a safety net for those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money , may not be enough.

Welfare distorts normal market activity but unemployment compensation does not? Bullshit. Show a link.

No, it is not more cost effective. Especially if you intend to expand it and make it long term. And means testing, as I have explained, does not alter the efficiency of welfare.

It may not be enough? Enough for what?

Correcting for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is what, unemployment compensation does.

Unemployment compensation is not enough to correct the natural rate of unemployment. So about 4% of the working population needs welfare. Getting them on unemployment only solves the problem for 26 weeks.

 

[WinterBorn]

I read quite well. Both employer and employees are protected.

If you quit, you deprive the employer of your services (for which you were paid). And in turn, you no longer get paid since you no longer provide those services.

that is why we have unemployment compensation. learn how to read, huckleberry.

I read quite well, thank you.

The gov't pays compensation if you lose your job through no fault of your own. THAT is why we have unemployment compensation. There are consequences for quitting a job. You have no money. You haveto live with the consequences of your own actions.

That is not what a federal doctrine or State laws say in at-will employment States.

Sure it is. That is why they have basically the same rules from state to state.

I know how to read.

EDD should be required to find proof of for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment benefits on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Congrats. So do I.

 

[danielpalos]

dude, you never understood the concepts and simply rely on stories and stereotypes.

I understand the concepts quite well. There is not one story or stereotype in my posts. Not one, and you cannot show me any.

The safety nets are for those who need them. You do not need them, you want them.

Solving simple poverty on an at-will basis is on the agenda.

Solving poverty is always on the agenda. But you are not living in poverty. You have all you need.

i can't believe you, individual Person. Government has the authority over fixed Standards.

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

 

[danielpalos]

that is why we have unemployment compensation. learn how to read, huckleberry.

I read quite well, thank you.

The gov't pays compensation if you lose your job through no fault of your own. THAT is why we have unemployment compensation. There are consequences for quitting a job. You have no money. You haveto live with the consequences of your own actions.

That is not what a federal doctrine or State laws say in at-will employment States.

Sure it is. That is why they have basically the same rules from state to state.

I know how to read.

EDD should be required to find proof of for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment benefits on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Congrats. So do I.

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

 

[WinterBorn]

I understand the concepts quite well. There is not one story or stereotype in my posts. Not one, and you cannot show me any.

The safety nets are for those who need them. You do not need them, you want them.

Solving simple poverty on an at-will basis is on the agenda.

Solving poverty is always on the agenda. But you are not living in poverty. You have all you need.

i can't believe you, individual Person. Government has the authority over fixed Standards.

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

You are the only one who brought up morals.

And there is already equal protection under the law. It just does not include you getting paid. The employer no longer gets your services, why would you get paid? That is not protection.

 

[WinterBorn]

I read quite well, thank you.

The gov't pays compensation if you lose your job through no fault of your own. THAT is why we have unemployment compensation. There are consequences for quitting a job. You have no money. You haveto live with the consequences of your own actions.

That is not what a federal doctrine or State laws say in at-will employment States.

Sure it is. That is why they have basically the same rules from state to state.

I know how to read.

EDD should be required to find proof of for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment benefits on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Congrats. So do I.

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

So do I. And if you are fired without cause, you get unemployment compensation. If you quit, you don't get unemployment compensation. YOu get the natural consequence of your actions.

 

[danielpalos]

Solving simple poverty on an at-will basis is on the agenda.

Solving poverty is always on the agenda. But you are not living in poverty. You have all you need.

i can't believe you, individual Person. Government has the authority over fixed Standards.

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

You are the only one who brought up morals.

And there is already equal protection under the law. It just does not include you getting paid. The employer no longer gets your services, why would you get paid? That is not protection.

Yes, i do. the nine hundred ninety-nine should know their place.

equal protection of the law means you can quit and collect unemployment compensation for actually being Unemployed.

Only the right wing prefers their socialism on a national basis to more rational, economics.

 

[danielpalos]

That is not what a federal doctrine or State laws say in at-will employment States.

Sure it is. That is why they have basically the same rules from state to state.

I know how to read.

EDD should be required to find proof of for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment benefits on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Congrats. So do I.

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

So do I. And if you are fired without cause, you get unemployment compensation. If you quit, you don't get unemployment compensation. YOu get the natural consequence of your actions.

Cause? Employment is at the will of either party; no Cause necessary.

 

[WinterBorn]

Solving poverty is always on the agenda. But you are not living in poverty. You have all you need.

i can't believe you, individual Person. Government has the authority over fixed Standards.

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

You are the only one who brought up morals.

And there is already equal protection under the law. It just does not include you getting paid. The employer no longer gets your services, why would you get paid? That is not protection.

Yes, i do. the nine hundred ninety-nine should know their place.

equal protection of the law means you can quit and collect unemployment compensation for actually being Unemployed.

Only the right wing prefers their socialism on a national basis to more rational, economics.

No, if you want to be paid don't quit your job.

 

[WinterBorn]

Sure it is. That is why they have basically the same rules from state to state.

I know how to read.

EDD should be required to find proof of for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment benefits on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Congrats. So do I.

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

So do I. And if you are fired without cause, you get unemployment compensation. If you quit, you don't get unemployment compensation. YOu get the natural consequence of your actions.

Cause? Employment is at the will of either party; no Cause necessary.

No, there is no cause necessary. But whether you were fired for cause does, in fact, have consequences.

 

[danielpalos]

i can't believe you, individual Person. Government has the authority over fixed Standards.

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

You are the only one who brought up morals.

And there is already equal protection under the law. It just does not include you getting paid. The employer no longer gets your services, why would you get paid? That is not protection.

Yes, i do. the nine hundred ninety-nine should know their place.

equal protection of the law means you can quit and collect unemployment compensation for actually being Unemployed.

Only the right wing prefers their socialism on a national basis to more rational, economics.

No, if you want to be paid don't quit your job.

Equal protection of the law can solve simple poverty. Your bigotry is socially worthless and economically costly. Stop whining about taxes, right wingers.

 

[danielpalos]

I know how to read.

EDD should be required to find proof of for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment benefits on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Congrats. So do I.

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

So do I. And if you are fired without cause, you get unemployment compensation. If you quit, you don't get unemployment compensation. YOu get the natural consequence of your actions.

Cause? Employment is at the will of either party; no Cause necessary.

No, there is no cause necessary. But whether you were fired for cause does, in fact, have consequences.

Only if you go to jail. Otherwise, employment is at the will of either party. Equal protection of the law is necessary.

 

[WinterBorn]

You want to rework the entire unemployment compensation system, not for any good reason. You want to rework it so that you can have an income without working, and welfare will deny you because you don't actually need it. And you want to rework the entire system, not because of some nonsense about equal protection under the law, but because you want stuff you can't afford. You have a place to live, food, heat, lights, and all the necessities. You want to screw up the system and cost the tax payers millions so you can enjoy luxuries without getting a job.

 

[danielpalos]

You want to rework the entire unemployment compensation system, not for any good reason. You want to rework it so that you can have an income without working, and welfare will deny you because you don't actually need it. And you want to rework the entire system, not because of some nonsense about equal protection under the law, but because you want stuff you can't afford. You have a place to live, food, heat, lights, and all the necessities. You want to screw up the system and cost the tax payers millions so you can enjoy luxuries without getting a job.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics. you don't understand the simplest concepts. you merely stereotype and make up stories.

simplification will lower costs and provide for an upward pressure on wages on an Institutional basis.

 

[WinterBorn]

That makes no sense at all. Yes, the gov't has the authority over fixed standards. But by any gov't standard, you are not living in poverty.

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

You are the only one who brought up morals.

And there is already equal protection under the law. It just does not include you getting paid. The employer no longer gets your services, why would you get paid? That is not protection.

Yes, i do. the nine hundred ninety-nine should know their place.

equal protection of the law means you can quit and collect unemployment compensation for actually being Unemployed.

Only the right wing prefers their socialism on a national basis to more rational, economics.

No, if you want to be paid don't quit your job.

Equal protection of the law can solve simple poverty. Your bigotry is socially worthless and economically costly. Stop whining about taxes, right wingers.

Unemployment compensation was not designed to solve poverty. And you know it. Welfare is the safety net to keep the impoverished in what they need to live.

And I have not whined about taxes once. I have talked about you wanting to soak the tax payers.

 

[WinterBorn]

Congrats. So do I.

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

So do I. And if you are fired without cause, you get unemployment compensation. If you quit, you don't get unemployment compensation. YOu get the natural consequence of your actions.

Cause? Employment is at the will of either party; no Cause necessary.

No, there is no cause necessary. But whether you were fired for cause does, in fact, have consequences.

Only if you go to jail. Otherwise, employment is at the will of either party. Equal protection of the law is necessary.

No, not only if you go to jail. If you are negligent in your job, you can be fired for cause. If you fail to come to work or leave early too often, you can be fired for cause. If you willfully damage company property or engage in horseplay or violence, you can be fired for cause. If you steal from your employer, you can be fired for cause.

 

[WinterBorn]

You want to rework the entire unemployment compensation system, not for any good reason. You want to rework it so that you can have an income without working, and welfare will deny you because you don't actually need it. And you want to rework the entire system, not because of some nonsense about equal protection under the law, but because you want stuff you can't afford. You have a place to live, food, heat, lights, and all the necessities. You want to screw up the system and cost the tax payers millions so you can enjoy luxuries without getting a job.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics. you don't understand the simplest concepts. you merely stereotype and make up stories.

simplification will lower costs and provide for an upward pressure on wages on an Institutional basis.

You are the one who is continously stating lies (stories).

Switching millions of people from welfare to unemployment is not simplifying anything. The welfare system is well streamlined. The means testing is not difficult nor is it inefficient. The applicant fills out a few pages about their income and assets. Thats it.

 

[danielpalos]

it is about equal protection of the law, right winger. The Standards are already fixed. I don't need or want Your moralizing.

You are the only one who brought up morals.

And there is already equal protection under the law. It just does not include you getting paid. The employer no longer gets your services, why would you get paid? That is not protection.

Yes, i do. the nine hundred ninety-nine should know their place.

equal protection of the law means you can quit and collect unemployment compensation for actually being Unemployed.

Only the right wing prefers their socialism on a national basis to more rational, economics.

No, if you want to be paid don't quit your job.

Equal protection of the law can solve simple poverty. Your bigotry is socially worthless and economically costly. Stop whining about taxes, right wingers.

Unemployment compensation was not designed to solve poverty. And you know it. Welfare is the safety net to keep the impoverished in what they need to live.

And I have not whined about taxes once. I have talked about you wanting to soak the tax payers.

no political solutions are. all political talk is the best they can do.

equal protection of the law is the concept and paradigm.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[danielpalos]

I know what employment at the will of either party, means.

So do I. And if you are fired without cause, you get unemployment compensation. If you quit, you don't get unemployment compensation. YOu get the natural consequence of your actions.

Cause? Employment is at the will of either party; no Cause necessary.

No, there is no cause necessary. But whether you were fired for cause does, in fact, have consequences.

Only if you go to jail. Otherwise, employment is at the will of either party. Equal protection of the law is necessary.

No, not only if you go to jail. If you are negligent in your job, you can be fired for cause. If you fail to come to work or leave early too often, you can be fired for cause. If you willfully damage company property or engage in horseplay or violence, you can be fired for cause. If you steal from your employer, you can be fired for cause.

no cause is necessary in an at-will employment State.