Crepitus
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- Mar 28, 2018
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Want. They want one. They definitely don't need help to avoid their responsibilities.Kind of ironic that the rightwing has worked for decades to destroy unions. And now that they need one . . .
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Want. They want one. They definitely don't need help to avoid their responsibilities.Kind of ironic that the rightwing has worked for decades to destroy unions. And now that they need one . . .
I don't think the unions will push back against this. The government just mandated that employers have the right to force vaccinations, I don't know if the unions will have the power to get that overturned.
On the contrary, virtually every company that deals in the healthcare industry requires the flu vaccine. Case in point, pharmacy, nursing, doctors. Those who handle your medications and take care of you when you're sick are required to get the flu shot. Would you have it any other way?Not really, i mean, I've never seen a company mandate that getting a flu vaccine is condition of employment.
Perhaps they could, but they never did. This is different. Many employers will likely push this.
HIPPA guarantees that your health information will not be shared without your consent.
You are free to refuse to let employer know your vaccination status. You have always been free to do so. Your employer is free to lay you off or not hire you because of it as well. Employers do this all the time when they request information from you. You can always refuse, they can always go find someone that is not refusing and hire them instead.
Why do you think you have the right to force an employer give you their property (both the wage you agree on and access to the place of employment) to you if you refuse to do what they ask?
And......And the did not mandate anything. They stated that there is no law preventing employers from requiring vaccines as a condition of employment. This has always been the case. If the government is to mandate anything, it would be to mandate employers hire regardless of vaccination status. Such would be just as wrong as mandating that they require it.
Freedom works both ways - you are free to refuse the vaccine and an employer is free to associate with those that did not refuse it. The government has no role to play here.
That was their killshot. They really think they can tell employees to jump off a cliff, and then point to the state and say "They made us tell you." Um, ...sideways with a dull rusty chainsaw, bucko.
All studies show vaccination provides better protection than any alleged herd immunity due to the transmissibility and greater chance for micro-evolution due to the law of large numbers.
Find another job? Take the vaccine?What can the employee do? As of today? At will employment says all power is with the employer.
Sorry, Trump filled the SC with Judges like Kavanaugh who are very big on Corporation rights...If we are lucky one good one will come along and play that shit and get that taken all the way to the Supreme Court and you will never see this level of stupidity ever, ever, ever again.
Do you prefer for-profit private sector science?
I know you understand this, but let me state it for others:Find another job? Take the vaccine?
Or -- whine to the government. That's the ticket!
Show the law that stops them doing that...Im not aware of any law that states a company can force you to take an injection. Perhaps you could point this out for me?
Absolutely, if they can use 'safety' as a reason, they can have access to anything about you they want, no right to privacy at all.This opens the door for companies to request entire medical records to see exactly what drugs their employees are taking to determine if they have any mental issues and if so, they can fire them if they please.
I know you understand this, but let me state it for others:
NEVER ask government to do anything, ever, ever, ever, EVER. They ALWAYS fuck it up.
If your employer is demanding that you get a vax, present them with a written statement for your immediate supervisor and HR manager to sign, that states something along the lines of: as a condition of your continued employment, they are requiring you to get the __________(specific name) vaccine, and it is part of your duties as an employee to get said vaccine.
Watch them squirm when they see that. They will never sign it (liability) and you will go back and forth with them until they either give you an out or fire you. Then, go collect unemployment from them while you get another job or start your own business.
Pretty simple.
HIPAA protects you from having your medical info being shared with people not authorized to have it.Link? Last I looked HIPAA guarantees health information privacy.
If they can do a drug test they can do antibody test...Absolutely, if they can use 'safety' as a reason, they can have access to anything about you they want, no right to privacy at all.
Not that they would, but if a union took the stance against vaccinations they would have much more power to negotiate than individual workers.It was in reaponse to synthaholic mentioning about how rigjt wingers want to destroy unions..but now, regret it when they need them. My response was, I don't think the unions will be helpful here.
I know you understand this, but let me state it for others:
NEVER ask government to do anything, ever, ever, ever, EVER. They ALWAYS fuck it up.
If your employer is demanding that you get a vax, present them with a written statement for your immediate supervisor and HR manager to sign, that states something along the lines of: as a condition of your continued employment, they are requiring you to get the __________(specific name) vaccine, and it is part of your duties as an employee to get said vaccine.
Watch them squirm when they see that. They will never sign it (liability) and you will go back and forth with them until they either give you an out or fire you. Then, go collect unemployment from them while you get another job or start your own business.
Pretty simple.
Sorry that turns out to be not true...HIPAA protects you from having your medical info being shared with people not authorized to have it.
That's it.