So what's the laundry list of free shit Obama is gonna dangle in front of all the leeches tonight?

[NLT]

The sum of Obamas speech tonite "Pay attention to me, I am still relavent"

 

[the_human_being]

The government took in over $3 Trillion dollars in revenue last year. Iraq and Afghanistan are going away? Still Obama and the Dems want more revenue. Why?
Because: In a very short time, all these folks Obama has given amnesty to will be allowed to vote. They will be sucking more and more of the nation's revenue by way of entitlements. Obama and the Dems are setting up yet another massive vote buying campaign for the 2016 elections.

 

[Nosmo King]

So concerns about abuse trump the necessity of higher education? Sounds like the World's Cheapest Cop-out to me.

Why is it always all or nothing with you guys?
Plenty of people have access to higher education. Sure, they must sacrifice, and some have very little to sacrifice as it is....but there are grants, scholarships and low interest loans.
But one thing I know for sure...If I were to sacrifice for something, I would hold that thing dear to me...it would be important to me.

Sure. Pride in ownership.

But the cost of a higher education is prohibitive in most homes, unless you're fortunate enough to be in the top 5% of incomes (and that's not where EARNERS are, it's where trust fund babies and hedge fund managers are)

Shouldn't one of life's necessities be just a little more accessible to the masses? After all, if you can afford college, you probably don't need college to get ahead.

But that's the point. It IS available to the masses. FASFA loans are never denied...EXCEPT to the applicants with ultra wealthy parents. And the cost for a community college or a state school locally, where you don't need room and board is, here in NY, about 5K a year......
And I have news for you.....if one can afford college it does not mean he/she doesn't need college to get ahead. That is a ridiculous partisan talking point that has absolutely no validity.

Student loans can cripple a middle class family, delay the purchase of a house, effect a credit score and generally hold back a graduate under a mountain of debt for years.


Why not make something like putting a kid through college just a little bit easier?

Why is it my job to make it easier for you?

Drop the self centered attitude and consider this: an educated workforce is a competent work force. A competent workforce is a competitive workforce. A competitive workforce produces higher paying jobs. Higher paying jobs means more tax dollars in government coffers, more disposable income in more hands and therefore an expanding economy.

You'll make your money back. And there will be more educated people helping you in your time of dire finacial circumstances, like now the way you're complaining.

Is the cost of knowledge too high? Try the cost of ignorance!

 

[Nosmo King]

So concerns about abuse trump the necessity of higher education? Sounds like the World's Cheapest Cop-out to me.

Why is it always all or nothing with you guys?
Plenty of people have access to higher education. Sure, they must sacrifice, and some have very little to sacrifice as it is....but there are grants, scholarships and low interest loans.
But one thing I know for sure...If I were to sacrifice for something, I would hold that thing dear to me...it would be important to me.

Sure. Pride in ownership.

But the cost of a higher education is prohibitive in most homes, unless you're fortunate enough to be in the top 5% of incomes (and that's not where EARNERS are, it's where trust fund babies and hedge fund managers are)

Shouldn't one of life's necessities be just a little more accessible to the masses? After all, if you can afford college, you probably don't need college to get ahead.

But that's the point. It IS available to the masses. FASFA loans are never denied...EXCEPT to the applicants with ultra wealthy parents. And the cost for a community college or a state school locally, where you don't need room and board is, here in NY, about 5K a year......
And I have news for you.....if one can afford college it does not mean he/she doesn't need college to get ahead. That is a ridiculous partisan talking point that has absolutely no validity.

Student loans can cripple a middle class family, delay the purchase of a house, effect a credit score and generally hold back a graduate under a mountain of debt for years.


Why not make something like putting a kid through college just a little bit easier?

That is exactly what Stafford loans do...they make it easier to put a kid through college...after 4 years, a 20K debt (for a state school where you do not have to pay for room and board).....
and at the rates offered for these loans, a 20K debt will be about 300 a month..

So sure, you cant buy a house right away...and yes, there will be sacrifices....but you did it and you did it on your own and you now have skin in the game.

Pride goes a long way in generating success.

Should we only celebrate the elites? Either in academia or in personal finace, the modern Conservative really seems to be willing to support elites while ignoring the masses.

After WW II, we got the G.I. Bill. That filled campuses with individuals who went on to change the world. We went to the moon, we decoded the human genome, we developed electronic computing into a modern necessity.

Isn't it time we flooded our campuses again? Think of the potential outcome!

 

[the_human_being]

Obama and the Democrats have created a nation of losers, underachievers, and woosies.

 

[Pheonixops]

I haven't kept up lately but I'm sure his speech will be targeted directly at the uninformed give me free shit crowd.

It doesn't really matter for some people to get all worked up about it, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, most if not all of those proposals will have no traction. Unless the majority of Republican Congressmen and women are in favor of those proposals and pass them.

 

[Pheonixops]

2 free years of community college

it will cost just over $6 billion a year

so you know it's going to be near $9 Billion the first year and since colleges know they can charge whatever they want it will inflate greatly every year after that

and of course, the people who take the bait will be forced to vote dem or (the horror) have to start paying for it themselves should the gop take the WH

It will go nowhere, at least for now.

 

[rdean]

Republicans are the luckiest people in the world. Living in a country where hard working liberals and Democrats give them food stamps and free FEMA trailers.

 

[the_human_being]

I haven't kept up lately but I'm sure his speech will be targeted directly at the uninformed give me free shit crowd.

It doesn't really matter for some people to get all worked up about it, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, most if not all of those proposals will have no traction. Unless the majority of Republican Congressmen and women are in favor of those proposals and pass them.

Exactly. None of his proposals will ever make it to Obama's desk for his signature. The whole thing is a waste of time.

 

[Siete]

I haven't kept up lately but I'm sure his speech will be targeted directly at the uninformed give me free shit crowd.

It doesn't really matter for some people to get all worked up about it, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, most if not all of those proposals will have no traction. Unless the majority of Republican Congressmen and women are in favor of those proposals and pass them.

Exactly. None of his proposals will ever make it to Obama's desk for his signature. The whole thing is a waste of time.

the RW's are so stupid they forgot they control Congress.

LMAO

 

[The Rabbi]

Why is it always all or nothing with you guys?
Plenty of people have access to higher education. Sure, they must sacrifice, and some have very little to sacrifice as it is....but there are grants, scholarships and low interest loans.
But one thing I know for sure...If I were to sacrifice for something, I would hold that thing dear to me...it would be important to me.

Sure. Pride in ownership.

But the cost of a higher education is prohibitive in most homes, unless you're fortunate enough to be in the top 5% of incomes (and that's not where EARNERS are, it's where trust fund babies and hedge fund managers are)

Shouldn't one of life's necessities be just a little more accessible to the masses? After all, if you can afford college, you probably don't need college to get ahead.

But that's the point. It IS available to the masses. FASFA loans are never denied...EXCEPT to the applicants with ultra wealthy parents. And the cost for a community college or a state school locally, where you don't need room and board is, here in NY, about 5K a year......
And I have news for you.....if one can afford college it does not mean he/she doesn't need college to get ahead. That is a ridiculous partisan talking point that has absolutely no validity.

Student loans can cripple a middle class family, delay the purchase of a house, effect a credit score and generally hold back a graduate under a mountain of debt for years.


Why not make something like putting a kid through college just a little bit easier?

Why is it my job to make it easier for you?

Drop the self centered attitude and consider this: an educated workforce is a competent work force. A competent workforce is a competitive workforce. A competitive workforce produces higher paying jobs. Higher paying jobs means more tax dollars in government coffers, more disposable income in more hands and therefore an expanding economy.

You'll make your money back. And there will be more educated people helping you in your time of dire finacial circumstances, like now the way you're complaining.

Is the cost of knowledge too high? Try the cost of ignorance!

We see the cost of ignorance in every one of your posts.
You are equating more money with better education. Except it isnt true. We are spending more per pupil in almost every school district and results on tests etc are worse or very slight better.
Throwing money at a broken system appeases union drones etc but does nothing to help anyone. The unemployment/underemployment rate for college grads is nearly 50%. Why would we want to contribute to that??

 

[g5000]

College tuition is being priced out of reach for more and more people.

The Right will say, "There is no problem."

The Left will say, "Tax the rich more."

We are surrounded by retards.

And what would you say? I say education is not the answer. Know why? Because this country is always going to have ditch diggers, factory workers, maids, walmart employees, mcD workers, etc.

What made the American middle class the greatest class the world had ever seen? Unions. High paying jobs. Sick days. Great insurance. Holiday pay. Pensions. GREAT JOBS for the masses.

It is unrealistic to say education is the key. Put everyone though nursing school, next thing you know the market is flooded with nurses and nurses then make $30K a year.

I say pay the middle class a living/decent/fair wage. My dad worked for Ford Motor Company. He has a Pension, SS, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank and 2 homes. He never made more than $11 hr but that was good money back then. Especially when his insurance was so great. Get sick? It cost us $5 to go to the emergency room.

I know what will make America great again. But the rich and the GOP and conservatives won't like it. They'll call me a socialist commy pig. But the bottom line is, just pay your employees more.

Ever hear the story of Carl who graduated highschool and started making $17hr shoveling coal in the graveyard shift at a union factory somewhere in Michigan? That's a low skilled job. Why did he make so much? Because he was in a union. The smartest guys I know were in unions because they were at least smart enough to demand a fair wage and share of the profits.

The days of growing up to work in the same factory as your daddy are long gone. We have to educate our kids for the jobs of tomorrow, not for low skilled shit.

Cars used to be leading edge tech. Now they aren't. We've moved on way beyond that. Robots and third worlders do that shit now.

You say unions made us strong. That's true, to a point. But I guess you have not noticed the highest paying jobs in America, the ones in high tech fields, are almost all non-union jobs. You know why?

Because those skills are so scarce that an educated person can pretty much write their own ticket. They are marketable.

Meanwhile the low skilled jobs are going overseas, where they belong.

It wasn't unions that made us the number one economy. It was our technological edge. It wasn't low skilled jobs. It was the exact opposite of that. It was innovation and the entrepreneurial spirit which made us number one.

Unions came about because our national economy went through a transition from one in which everyone was their own boss to one which was organized around corporations with wage workers at the bottom and owners and shareholders at the top.

This protectionist bullshit for low skilled jobs is killing us. We need to maintain our edge, and that means education in the right skills. High tech skills. Tomorrow's skills.

And that means more education than ever before. We aren't even keeping up, much less staying ahead!

You can work on an automotive assembly line, if you wish. But you are retarded if you think you deserve more than $20 bucks an hour to do it. I'll be surprised if we are still making cars in America in 20 years.

 

[Siete]

Sure. Pride in ownership.

But the cost of a higher education is prohibitive in most homes, unless you're fortunate enough to be in the top 5% of incomes (and that's not where EARNERS are, it's where trust fund babies and hedge fund managers are)

Shouldn't one of life's necessities be just a little more accessible to the masses? After all, if you can afford college, you probably don't need college to get ahead.

But that's the point. It IS available to the masses. FASFA loans are never denied...EXCEPT to the applicants with ultra wealthy parents. And the cost for a community college or a state school locally, where you don't need room and board is, here in NY, about 5K a year......
And I have news for you.....if one can afford college it does not mean he/she doesn't need college to get ahead. That is a ridiculous partisan talking point that has absolutely no validity.

Student loans can cripple a middle class family, delay the purchase of a house, effect a credit score and generally hold back a graduate under a mountain of debt for years.


Why not make something like putting a kid through college just a little bit easier?

Why is it my job to make it easier for you?

Drop the self centered attitude and consider this: an educated workforce is a competent work force. A competent workforce is a competitive workforce. A competitive workforce produces higher paying jobs. Higher paying jobs means more tax dollars in government coffers, more disposable income in more hands and therefore an expanding economy.

You'll make your money back. And there will be more educated people helping you in your time of dire finacial circumstances, like now the way you're complaining.

Is the cost of knowledge too high? Try the cost of ignorance!

We see the cost of ignorance in every one of your posts.
You are equating more money with better education. Except it isnt true. We are spending more per pupil in almost every school district and results on tests etc are worse or very slight better.
Throwing money at a broken system appeases union drones etc but does nothing to help anyone. The unemployment/underemployment rate for college grads is nearly 50%. Why would we want to contribute to that??

pay high end wages to union drones, appease Republicans, build Keystone Pipeline.

why would YOU want to contribute to a UNION? That's the question.

 

[the_human_being]

I haven't kept up lately but I'm sure his speech will be targeted directly at the uninformed give me free shit crowd.

It doesn't really matter for some people to get all worked up about it, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, most if not all of those proposals will have no traction. Unless the majority of Republican Congressmen and women are in favor of those proposals and pass them.

Exactly. None of his proposals will ever make it to Obama's desk for his signature. The whole thing is a waste of time.

the RW's are so stupid they forgot they control Congress.

LMAO

Yeah duhhhh. For how long now? A few days? CHEEZE!!

 

[ClosedCaption]

When the claim that more people are at work is contradicted by something that says otherwise, it's weird.

What did you show that claimed people werent working?

There are almost 93 million people not in the workforce. If the unemployment rate you claim is that low means people are working, the 46 million on food stamps must mean that the jobs you want to give credit to Obama for creating are shitty jobs. If working people still need food stamps, the jobs must be low level jobs.

So what you just said was that the unemployment numbers mean that people are working, but the jobs are shitty but the unemployment number means people are not working? Dude you're all over the place.

You claim unemployment is down but can't account for why 46 million are on food stamps. If unemployment is down, why are so many leeches stil around.

You answered the question in your previous post:

"If working people still need food stamps, the jobs must be low level jobs."

They are low PAYING jobs which happens when people fight against paying employees more while defending that companies right to put their employees on welfare. You reap what you sow

Thank you for proving that the jobs you claim Obama created are shitty, low skill jobs.

Paying someone with $8/hour skills $8/hour is fighting against paying them. It's paying them what their skills are worth. If that isn't enough, the problem isn't the one paying but with the one having low skills. That's what you don't get. Someone worth $8/hour shouldn't get paid $15/hour because they breathe and have a pulse. They should get $8/hour and if it isn't enough, they shouldn't get welfare.[/QUOTE]


I love republican story time...The reason that wages havent kept up with inflation is because every person in the entire US have "low skills". Perfect! Except that it cannot be proven but hey! Its a great tale tho.

i know I'm just spinning my wheels asking this but here it goes: What information shows you that low wages across the board in ALL OF AMERICA is the result of "low skills"?

Now...here is the part of the script where you type a bunch of bullshit that cannot be proven without links....Annnnnd Go!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Haven't you heard? He's going to give everyone a free Tesla so we can shake our dependence on foreign oil.

Go ahead, Gramps! Tell us you'd refuse the car. Go ahead.

 

[Siete]

I haven't kept up lately but I'm sure his speech will be targeted directly at the uninformed give me free shit crowd.

It doesn't really matter for some people to get all worked up about it, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, most if not all of those proposals will have no traction. Unless the majority of Republican Congressmen and women are in favor of those proposals and pass them.

Exactly. None of his proposals will ever make it to Obama's desk for his signature. The whole thing is a waste of time.

the RW's are so stupid they forgot they control Congress.

LMAO

Yeah duhhhh. For how long now? A few days? CHEEZE!!

so you're a hypocrite too ?

go away then.

 

[the_human_being]

College tuition is being priced out of reach for more and more people.

The Right will say, "There is no problem."

The Left will say, "Tax the rich more."

We are surrounded by retards.

And what would you say? I say education is not the answer. Know why? Because this country is always going to have ditch diggers, factory workers, maids, walmart employees, mcD workers, etc.

What made the American middle class the greatest class the world had ever seen? Unions. High paying jobs. Sick days. Great insurance. Holiday pay. Pensions. GREAT JOBS for the masses.

It is unrealistic to say education is the key. Put everyone though nursing school, next thing you know the market is flooded with nurses and nurses then make $30K a year.

I say pay the middle class a living/decent/fair wage. My dad worked for Ford Motor Company. He has a Pension, SS, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank and 2 homes. He never made more than $11 hr but that was good money back then. Especially when his insurance was so great. Get sick? It cost us $5 to go to the emergency room.

I know what will make America great again. But the rich and the GOP and conservatives won't like it. They'll call me a socialist commy pig. But the bottom line is, just pay your employees more.

Ever hear the story of Carl who graduated highschool and started making $17hr shoveling coal in the graveyard shift at a union factory somewhere in Michigan? That's a low skilled job. Why did he make so much? Because he was in a union. The smartest guys I know were in unions because they were at least smart enough to demand a fair wage and share of the profits.

The days of growing up to work in the same factory as your daddy are long gone. We have to educate our kids for the jobs of tomorrow, not for low skilled shit.

Cars used to be leading edge tech. Now they aren't. We've moved on way beyond that. Robots and third worlders do that shit now.

You say unions made us strong. That's true, to a point. But I guess you have not noticed the highest paying jobs in America, the ones in high tech fields, are almost all non-union jobs. You know why?

Because those skills are so scarce that an educated person can pretty much write their own ticket. They are marketable.

Meanwhile the low skilled jobs are going overseas, where they belong.

It wasn't unions that made us the number one economy. It was our technological edge. It wasn't low skilled jobs. It was the exact opposite of that. It was innovation and the entrepreneurial spirit which made us number one.

Unions came about because our national economy went through a transition from one in which everyone was their own boss to one which was organized around corporations with wage workers at the bottom and owners and shareholders at the top.

This protectionist bullshit for low skilled jobs is killing us. We need to maintain our edge, and that means education in the right skills. High tech skills. Tomorrow's skills.

And that means more education than ever before. We aren't even keeping up, much less staying ahead!

You can work on an automotive assembly line, if you wish. But you are retarded if you think you deserve more than $20 bucks an hour to do it. I'll be surprised if we are still making cars in America in 20 years.

Yeah, we had some that went up to Detroit a few years back and made $20.00 per hour installing tires on new cars. When Detroit went by the wayside, they came back home and had to take minimum wage jobs because the local area had no jobs for tire installers that paid more than minimum wage.

 

[the_human_being]

I haven't kept up lately but I'm sure his speech will be targeted directly at the uninformed give me free shit crowd.

It doesn't really matter for some people to get all worked up about it, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, most if not all of those proposals will have no traction. Unless the majority of Republican Congressmen and women are in favor of those proposals and pass them.

Exactly. None of his proposals will ever make it to Obama's desk for his signature. The whole thing is a waste of time.

the RW's are so stupid they forgot they control Congress.

LMAO

Yeah duhhhh. For how long now? A few days? CHEEZE!!

so you're a hypocrite too ?

go away then.

Truth hurts doesn't it? Get used to it.

 

[Conservative65]

What did you show that claimed people werent working?

There are almost 93 million people not in the workforce. If the unemployment rate you claim is that low means people are working, the 46 million on food stamps must mean that the jobs you want to give credit to Obama for creating are shitty jobs. If working people still need food stamps, the jobs must be low level jobs.

So what you just said was that the unemployment numbers mean that people are working, but the jobs are shitty but the unemployment number means people are not working? Dude you're all over the place.

You claim unemployment is down but can't account for why 46 million are on food stamps. If unemployment is down, why are so many leeches stil around.

You answered the question in your previous post:

"If working people still need food stamps, the jobs must be low level jobs."

They are low PAYING jobs which happens when people fight against paying employees more while defending that companies right to put their employees on welfare. You reap what you sow

Thank you for proving that the jobs you claim Obama created are shitty, low skill jobs.

Paying someone with $8/hour skills $8/hour is fighting against paying them. It's paying them what their skills are worth. If that isn't enough, the problem isn't the one paying but with the one having low skills. That's what you don't get. Someone worth $8/hour shouldn't get paid $15/hour because they breathe and have a pulse. They should get $8/hour and if it isn't enough, they shouldn't get welfare.

I love republican story time...The reason that wages havent kept up with inflation is because every person in the entire US have "low skills". Perfect! Except that it cannot be proven but hey! Its a great tale tho.

i know I'm just spinning my wheels asking this but here it goes: What information shows you that low wages across the board in ALL OF AMERICA is the result of "low skills"?

Now...here is the part of the script where you type a bunch of bullshit that cannot be proven without links....Annnnnd Go![/QUOTE]

Every person in America doesn't have low skills. Never said they did. My wages have kept up with inflation and then some. Many like me with skills have kept up.

I can't answer your question because I never said low wages across the board exists in ALL OF AMERICA. That can't be proven but go ahead and try to prove I said every American's wages hasn't kept up with inflation. I'm sorry if you can't cut it but some of us have.