So Where Are The Subversive War Protestors Now That A Socialist Is In Charge?

[Vigilante]

How many remember these bitches.... Wonder when they'll show up with their signs against our military again!

So I see you're starting your opening post with a lie. I guess you could go directly to their web site....but you're just too lazy.

CODEPINK Index

We've been through this , perhaps if you read the thread, YOU wouldn't look so stupid!

That would mean giving up minutes of my life, that I'll never get back, on this dumbass thread. I don't think so.

Have fun.

You're already here, shithead, or didn't you realize that?

 

[Oldstyle]

How many remember these bitches.... Wonder when they'll show up with their signs against our military again!

Since the picture isn't real, the better question to ask is where is the conservative support for President Obama given that he's a war time president.

Some "war time President", Mustang! He won't use the word war, won't admit that the people we're fighting are Islamic and is so obsessed with keeping "boots on the ground" OFF the ground that he's hamstrung our military and given them a virtually impossible task!

Well, if you can give me a good reason to turn the conflict into a proxy religious war between Christians and Muslims, I'd like to hear it. Even Bush was careful to limit his rhetoric in that regard.

Considering that there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world and were engaged in an armed struggle with fewer than about 50,000 fighters, I would say that it's not a good idea to create MORE combatants by insulting the religious of Muslims or suddenly declaring this struggle to be some kind of Holy War. But that's just me. I guess conservatives see it differently, which means foolishly from everything I can see.

If you need a real world (an American world since that's what you seem to need) example of what I'm talking about, ask yourself this question: How many times have you seen, or heard, or known of someone to get their dander up just because they think that someone (like a politician, for example) has insulted their favorite sports team or their favorite anything? Politicians understand that fact. That's why they generally tiptoe around coming right out and stating that they don't like X or that they prefer Y to X. They don't feel like losing votes and support just because some people aren't smart enough to cast their vote for them based on something more important than whether or not they like country music. In FACT, that's one of the reasons that politicians feel so much pressure to openly profess their faith, or do you honestly think that everyone who runs for higher office and wins is as religious as they would have everyone believe?

The POINT is that anyone with a lick of sense would realize that there's nothing to be gained (while there's also plenty to lose) by picking a rhetorical fight with 1.5 billions Muslims. Tell that to that idiot, Mark Levin!

There seems to be a widely held belief by liberals that calling ISIS Islamic extremists will somehow "insult" Muslims...like everyone in the world doesn't KNOW that ISIS is made up of Islamic extremists? I'm sorry but if someone who is Muslim is "insulted" because it's been pointed out that ISIS is an Islamic group, then they need to put on their big boy pants and start worrying more about what ISIS is doing to the reputation of their religion and less about perceived slights. When those hiding behind a religion start cutting people's heads off in the name of your religion it's time to stand up and be counted. Moderate Muslims need to take the forefront in the fight against groups like ISIS. It isn't that I have anything against Muslims. If the Catholic Church brought back the Inquisition I would expect moderate Catholics to do the right thing and stand up against that kind of extremism.

 

[Oldstyle]

And I'm amused by the furor over the Code Pink sign. Does the fact that someone photo shopped a picture of a banner somehow change the fact that the "anti-war" movement has been strangely silent during Barack Obama's six years in office?

Except they haven't been "silent", at all.

Code Pink has been protesting against Obama since he was first elected. They just protested at his speech last week.

Ah. but as the old philosophical question asks..."If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it does it make a sound?" If Code Pink protests against Obama going to war and it gets no coverage from the main stream media did they really make a sound?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Obama can get away with the same things that they castigated Bush for. Classic liberal BS

I castigated Bush only when he decided to kick UN inspectors out and then invade Iraq over alleged WMDs being hidden by the regime there.

I have not seen any instance where Obama has started a war by kicking out UN inspectors. When you find that situation then you make your statement. But until then your statement is false. Over 90 percent of Americans supported Bush going after terrorists in Afghanistan after 911. That means most Americans didn't castigate Bush until he abandoned the war on terrorists and went after Saddam Hussein for no good reason to justify starting a war.

 

[Vigilante]

Obama can get away with the same things that they castigated Bush for. Classic liberal BS

I castigated Bush only when he decided to kick UN inspectors out and then invade Iraq over alleged WMDs being hidden by the regime there.

I have not seen any instance where Obama has started a war by kicking out UN inspectors. When you find that situation then you make your statement. But until then your statement is false. Over 90 percent of Americans supported Bush going after terrorists in Afghanistan after 911. That means most Americans didn't castigate Bush until he abandoned the war on terrorists and went after Saddam Hussein for no good reason to justify starting a war.

What are you talking about,

Bush gave the U.N. the date we were going to invade, and the inspectors left 2 days before by U.N. orders! Saddam broke 17 U.N. resolutions AFTER Gulf War one, and was shooting at our planes in the NO FLY zone.... I just love it when 2 digit IQ'd subversives make up their own history!

 

[blackhawk]

How many remember these bitches.... Wonder when they'll show up with their signs against our military again!

When they can find a way to blame Republicans for it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What are you talking about,

Bush gave the U.N. the date we were going to invade, and the inspectors left 2 days before by U.N. orders! Saddam broke 17 U.N. resolutions AFTER Gulf War one, and was shooting at our planes in the NO FLY zone.... I just love it when 2 digit IQ'd subversives make up their own history!

Are you dense? That is what I said... Bush kicked the inspectors out. as to the broken resolutions... Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002 which meant all the prior violations by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully. Bush violated UN Res 1441 not Saddam Hussein. You have been entirely fooled by Dubya.

Iraq ceased shooting at US and UK planes who were bombing Iraq in the summer of 2002 when UN Res 1441 was passed and Iraq let the UN inspectors come back in.

And Saddam went further than just letting the inspectors back in. He offered to let the US military and FBI and CIA come in to work alongside the UN inspectors to find WMD if they thought some was there. That offer came in December 2002 and Bush did not pursue it or even consider it. Bush is lying to you when he claims he exhausted all peaceful means prior to deciding on war.

 

[Vigilante]

What are you talking about,

Bush gave the U.N. the date we were going to invade, and the inspectors left 2 days before by U.N. orders! Saddam broke 17 U.N. resolutions AFTER Gulf War one, and was shooting at our planes in the NO FLY zone.... I just love it when 2 digit IQ'd subversives make up their own history!

Are you dense? That is what I said... Bush kicked the inspectors out. as to the broken resolutions... Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002 which meant all the prior violation by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully. Bush violated UN Res 1441 not Saddam Hussein. You have been entirely fooled by Dubya.

The U.N. FORCED the inspectors out so they didn't get killed in the fighting! Saddam VIOLATED 16 resolutions, I'm sure that these must have been the equivalent of Res 1441....

I just thought some of you might enjoy reading this list.
Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated 16 United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent U.N. economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people. Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:
UNSCR 678 — November 29, 1990
Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."
Authorizes U.N. Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."
UNSCR 686 — March 2, 1991
Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.
Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.
Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.
UNSCR 687 — April 3, 1991
Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."
Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or manufacturing facilities.
Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."
Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.
Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.
Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.
Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.
Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.
Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.
UNSCR 688 — April 5, 1991
"Condemns" repression of Iraqi civilian population, "the consequences of which threaten international peace and security."
Iraq must immediately end repression of its civilian population.
Iraq must allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to those in need of assistance.
UNSCR 707 — August 15, 1991
"Condemns" Iraq's "serious violation" of UNSCR 687.
"Further condemns" Iraq's noncompliance with IAEA and its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Iraq must halt nuclear activities of all kinds until the Security Council deems Iraq in full compliance.
Iraq must make a full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.
Iraq must allow U.N. and IAEA inspectors immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
Iraq must cease attempts to conceal or move weapons of mass destruction, and related materials and facilities.
Iraq must allow U.N. and IAEA inspectors to conduct inspection flights throughout Iraq.
Iraq must provide transportation, medical and logistical support for U.N. and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 715 — October 11, 1991
Iraq must cooperate fully with U.N. and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 949 — October 15, 1994
"Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.
Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or U.N. operations in Iraq.
Iraq must cooperate fully with U.N. weapons inspectors.
Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.
UNSCR 1051 — March 27, 1996
Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the U.N. and IAEA.
Iraq must cooperate fully with U.N. and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1060 — June 12, 1996
"Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to U.N. inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous U.N. resolutions.
Iraq must cooperate fully with U.N. weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1115 — June 21, 1997
"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to U.N. inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.
Iraq must cooperate fully with U.N. weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom U.N. inspectors want to interview.
UNSCR 1134 — October 23, 1997
"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to U.N. inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.
Iraq must cooperate fully with U.N. weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom U.N. inspectors want to interview.
UNSCR 1137 — November 12, 1997
"Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous NUN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by U.N. inspectors and its tampering with NUN inspector monitoring equipment.
Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of NUN inspectors.
Iraq must cooperate fully with NUN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1154 — March 2, 1998
Iraq must cooperate fully with NUN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."
UNSCR 1194 — September 9, 1998
"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" NUN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.
Iraq must cooperate fully with NUN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
UNSCR 1205 — November 5, 1998
"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with NUN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.
Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with NUN and IAEA inspectors.
UNSCR 1284 — December 17, 1999
Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).
Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.
Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.
Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.

Saddam continued to violate these resolutions! Now please STFU and learn something!

 

[Oldstyle]

What are you talking about,

Bush gave the U.N. the date we were going to invade, and the inspectors left 2 days before by U.N. orders! Saddam broke 17 U.N. resolutions AFTER Gulf War one, and was shooting at our planes in the NO FLY zone.... I just love it when 2 digit IQ'd subversives make up their own history!

Are you dense? That is what I said... Bush kicked the inspectors out. as to the broken resolutions... Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002 which meant all the prior violations by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully. Bush violated UN Res 1441 not Saddam Hussein. You have been entirely fooled by Dubya.

Iraq ceased shooting at US and UK planes who were bombing Iraq in the summer of 2002 when UN Res 1441 was passed and Iraq let the UN inspectors come back in.

And Saddam went further than just letting the inspectors back in. He offered to let the US military and FBI and CIA come in to work alongside the UN inspectors to find WMD if they thought some was there. That offer came in December 2002 and Bush did not pursue it or even consider it. Bush is lying to you when he claims he exhausted all peaceful means prior to deciding on war.

You are one of the most delusional posters on this board, Dude! None of what you're blathering on about is the way it happened. Where are you getting your "history" from because it's appallingly bad!

 

[Vigilante]

What are you talking about,

Bush gave the U.N. the date we were going to invade, and the inspectors left 2 days before by U.N. orders! Saddam broke 17 U.N. resolutions AFTER Gulf War one, and was shooting at our planes in the NO FLY zone.... I just love it when 2 digit IQ'd subversives make up their own history!

Are you dense? That is what I said... Bush kicked the inspectors out. as to the broken resolutions... Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002 which meant all the prior violations by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully. Bush violated UN Res 1441 not Saddam Hussein. You have been entirely fooled by Dubya.

Iraq ceased shooting at US and UK planes who were bombing Iraq in the summer of 2002 when UN Res 1441 was passed and Iraq let the UN inspectors come back in.

And Saddam went further than just letting the inspectors back in. He offered to let the US military and FBI and CIA come in to work alongside the UN inspectors to find WMD if they thought some was there. That offer came in December 2002 and Bush did not pursue it or even consider it. Bush is lying to you when he claims he exhausted all peaceful means prior to deciding on war.

You are one of the most delusional posters on this board, Dude! None of what you're blathering on about is the way it happened. Where are you getting your "history" from because it's appallingly bad!

It's the NEW COMMON CORE education, subversive edited for the indoctrination of the 2 digit IQ crowd!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

9797897

The U.N. FORCED the inspectors out so they didn't get killed in the fighting! Saddam VIOLATED 16 resolutions, I'm sure that these must have been the equivalent of Res 1441.... Saddam continued to violate these resolutions! Now please STFU and learn something!

1441 was the last Resolution prior to the US and UK invasion. If you read 1441 you would not have wasted your time and everyone's time listing over a decade of Iraq's history of violations. Of course Saddam violated those resolutions prior to 1441 (November 2002). But 1441 specifically states that Iraq was therein given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY. Saddam did not continue to violate those resolutions because he was never ever and never came close to being in violation of 1441 for not taking his FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY.

If you have any record of the UNSC voting that Iraq did not take his FINAL OPPORTUNITY to COMPLY with all those resolutions under 1441 then lets see it. I know it does not exist. Bush and Blair tried to set a deadline for 1441 and the UNSC fifteen members were opposed to setting a deadline and the majority sought to keep the inspections going and avoid war.

So you do not know anything about what went down which is obvious by your statement "Saddam VIOLATED 16 resolutions, I'm sure that these must have been the equivalent of Res 1441.... " ,,, You have no clue what 1441 was about do you? Your 'sure that these 'must have been' the equivalent of Res 1441" The equivalent? You had no idea what you were typing did you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You are one of the most delusional posters on this board, Dude! None of what you're blathering on about is the way it happened. Where are you getting your "history" from because it's appallingly bad!

So make your case Oldstyle. Tell us why the following truths are not true. You said none of what I've written was the way it happened. So here it is. You can't dispute one of them let alone all of them.


True: Bush Forced the inspectors out before they could finish their work. Yes Bush kicked the inspectors out.

True: Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002

True: Unanimous UNSC passage of 1441 meant all the prior violations by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY

True: Saddam was being granted a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully.

True: Bush violated UN Res 1441 by closing it down before the inspection process could be finished and long term monitoring could be set up.

True: It was Bush that forced the end of the 1441 inspection process. I was not Saddam Hussein who forced it. . .

True: Iraq ceased shooting at US and UK planes who were bombing Iraq in the summer of 2002 when UN Res 1441 was passed and Iraq let the UN inspectors come back in.

True: And Saddam went further than just letting the inspectors back in. He offered to let the US military and FBI and CIA come in to work alongside the UN inspectors to find WMD if they thought some was there. That offer came in December 2002 and Bush did not pursue it or even consider it.


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[ricechickie]

Of course we do......

Right. Our President gets haircuts, wears suits, and works within the system.

Every single President was a socialist by your lame definition.

 

[Vigilante]

Of course we do......

Right. Our President gets haircuts, wears suits, and works within the system.

Every single President was a socialist by your lame definition.

FLAUNT THEIR RADICALISM....learn to read dumbass!....And it's ALINSKY'S definition...... so few words to get at least 2 things wrongs....DAMN!

 

[konradv]

 

[ricechickie]

FLAUNT THEIR RADICALISM....learn to read dumbass!....And it's ALINSKY'S definition...... so few words to get at least 2 things wrongs....DAMN!

The definition said that "true revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism."

So, again, every single President we've had so far......

You might want to address Obama's behavior and policies for signs of radicalism, rather than pair his photo with an Alinsky quote.

 

[ricechickie]

What else can I do with all this extra TrollChow I've got?

 

[konradv]

What else can I do with all this extra TrollChow I've got?

I've fed him plenty. It just gets old and boring. Feel free to continue, but realize some people are just unteachable.

 

[Oldstyle]

What are you talking about,

Bush gave the U.N. the date we were going to invade, and the inspectors left 2 days before by U.N. orders! Saddam broke 17 U.N. resolutions AFTER Gulf War one, and was shooting at our planes in the NO FLY zone.... I just love it when 2 digit IQ'd subversives make up their own history!

Are you dense? That is what I said... Bush kicked the inspectors out. as to the broken resolutions... Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002 which meant all the prior violations by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully. Bush violated UN Res 1441 not Saddam Hussein. You have been entirely fooled by Dubya.

Iraq ceased shooting at US and UK planes who were bombing Iraq in the summer of 2002 when UN Res 1441 was passed and Iraq let the UN inspectors come back in.

And Saddam went further than just letting the inspectors back in. He offered to let the US military and FBI and CIA come in to work alongside the UN inspectors to find WMD if they thought some was there. That offer came in December 2002 and Bush did not pursue it or even consider it. Bush is lying to you when he claims he exhausted all peaceful means prior to deciding on war.

You are one of the most delusional posters on this board, Dude! None of what you're blathering on about is the way it happened. Where are you getting your "history" from because it's appallingly bad!

It's the NEW COMMON CORE education, subversive edited for the indoctrination of the 2 digit IQ crowd!

Saddam was laughing at the UN sanctions! He was selling oil on the black market in order to buy weapons which was totally against the sanctions imposed after the first Gulf War and one of the main guys brokering those sales was non other than the son of the UN Secretary General!

You are one of the most delusional posters on this board, Dude! None of what you're blathering on about is the way it happened. Where are you getting your "history" from because it's appallingly bad!

So make your case Oldstyle. Tell us why the following truths are not true. You said none of what I've written was the way it happened. So here it is. You can't dispute one of them let alone all of them.


True: Bush Forced the inspectors out before they could finish their work. Yes Bush kicked the inspectors out.

True: Bush signed onto UN Res 1441 in November 2002

True: Unanimous UNSC passage of 1441 meant all the prior violations by Iraq were on hold as Iraq was given a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY

True: Saddam was being granted a FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY by letting the inspectors come in and finish disarming Iraq peacefully.

True: Bush violated UN Res 1441 by closing it down before the inspection process could be finished and long term monitoring could be set up.

True: It was Bush that forced the end of the 1441 inspection process. I was not Saddam Hussein who forced it. . .

True: Iraq ceased shooting at US and UK planes who were bombing Iraq in the summer of 2002 when UN Res 1441 was passed and Iraq let the UN inspectors come back in.

True: And Saddam went further than just letting the inspectors back in. He offered to let the US military and FBI and CIA come in to work alongside the UN inspectors to find WMD if they thought some was there. That offer came in December 2002 and Bush did not pursue it or even consider it.


.

You embarrass yourself with this nonsense...but what else is new? You make a habit of being either woefully ignorant of what's happened historically or wearing partisan blinders as to what's happening currently.

Saddam Hussein violated UN sanctions repeatedly over the span of YEARS. To say that he was an innocent victim because Bush finally said enough is enough is laughable. He would have continued to violate whatever UN sanctions were imposed on him because they had no teeth and hadn't for quite some time. He'd completely corrupted the Oil for Food program that the UN had put in place getting kickbacks in the billions of dollars that he was using to buy military weapons and reconstitute his nuclear weapon program.

 

[Oldstyle]

FLAUNT THEIR RADICALISM....learn to read dumbass!....And it's ALINSKY'S definition...... so few words to get at least 2 things wrongs....DAMN!

The definition said that "true revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism."

So, again, every single President we've had so far......

You might want to address Obama's behavior and policies for signs of radicalism, rather than pair his photo with an Alinsky quote.

I don't get caught up in all the paranoia about creeping socialism brought about by Barry and the Gang That Can't Shoot Straight. They believe that Big Government is the answer to all ills despite the fact that they can't RUN the size government they have now. That's the issue that you progressives need to deal with. Saul Alinsky is just one more liberal hack with ideas on how to bring the system down without much thought about how he'd improve it once he did. If it wasn't for all of the long term damage it would do to people's lives it would be a laugh riot to sit back and watch what would happen to this country if idiots like Alinsky got their way.