So who would be more likely to beat Trump? Hillary or Bernie?

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Democrats vs. Trump: Who's the Better Bet?

I've seen this question asked many times and again and again, they say Bernie is way ahead of Trump.

The truth is, neither Bernie nor Trump have been really vetted by the press.

On policy, Bernie can't change. He has been spouting the same policies for the last two years, even if he can't define them.

Trump can and does say anything he wants. Politifact rates 76% of everything he says as lies. His people don't care. They just repeat what he says, make America great again.

Bernie says he admires Castro, not the gay street in San Francisco, but the brutal dictator in Cuba. He says Castro brought bread lines to Cuba. He says he wants revolution. He said he didn't know how big too big to fail is. He said he would leave it up to the banks on how they break up. Trump would eat this guy alive.

Trump says he admires Putin. Talks nuclear weapons. Religious bans, walls. His base loves it.

Both talk about bringing jobs back that don't exist so they both lie.

Hillary on the other hand. She has been fighting GOP smears for 30 years. No one could be as "evil" as they say she is. Every time the GOP says something awful about the Clintons, the press eats it up.
Do you think if the Clintons had taken the country into Iraq the way that Bush did, anyone would ever let it go?
Imagine if hundreds of Americans died in Lebanon like they did under Reagan, would anyone would let that go or not even question it?
Imagine if the Clintons promised a tax cut like the Bush tax cuts would create millions of jobs and instead created trillions in debt, would anyone have let that go?
Imagine of Bill said "good job Brownie" after Katrina, would anyone have let that go?

And yet there she is. And, if you check out the different fact checking sites, who rates the most honest? Hillary.

Who rates the most dishonest? By far, Trump.

Who gets the most negative press? By far Hillary.

Who gets the most positive? Bernie, then Trump.

I believe with the minority vote, women's vote and the rest of the Democrats, Hillary will win. As Trump is vetted, people will become frightened. He's already scary. But it takes really stupid people to not see it. But they will. With only Trump and Hillary, Donald will eventually have to take a stand on something. He can't dodge the press forever.
 



It's a real quandry. And for once, I agree with Bill Kristol, whom I normally cannot stand:

Bill Kristol: Third Party Candidate "Could Get On The Ballot," "I Think It Is Possible"
Tim Hains
Posted on May 10, 2016

"We could get on almost every ballot, Texas passed yesterday, North Carolina is this month, almost every other state is June 27... You could get on the ballot with the right money and organization. Anderson got on all the ballots in 1980, Perot in 1992. Could you win? If you could have an attractive candidate who could get on the debate stage in October -- which would mean you'd have to be at 10-15% at that time. And then you get on the debate; Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and let's say Ben Sasse... Attractive 44 year-old senator from Nebraska... Could a lot of Americans say, whoa, we can do a lot better than Clinton or Trump, I think it is possible."

"Obviously if it were easy independents would be running every four years, I think it is possible."
 
The democrat voters choice is between an old lying cvnt and a 60's hippy who is an avowed commie. Neither one has a fresh idea between them. Just the same rehashed crap that has proved a failure for decades

Trump brings common sense solutions to America's problems and the people love him for it.

The Donald will win by a huge landslide. ....... :thup:
 
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The democrat voters choice is between an old lying cvnt and a 60's hippy who is an avowed commie. Neither one has a fresh idea between them. Just the same rehashed crap that has proved a failure for decades

Trump brings common sense solutions to America's problems and the people love him for it.

The Donald will win by a huge landslide. ....... :thup:
Politifact says 76% of everything Trump says is lies. So far, Hillary has been the most honest.
All of this has been posted with links. Why do YOU lie? Why are YOU a dipshit?
 
Democrats vs. Trump: Who's the Better Bet?

I've seen this question asked many times and again and again, they say Bernie is way ahead of Trump.

The truth is, neither Bernie nor Trump have been really vetted by the press.

On policy, Bernie can't change. He has been spouting the same policies for the last two years, even if he can't define them.

Trump can and does say anything he wants. Politifact rates 76% of everything he says as lies. His people don't care. They just repeat what he says, make America great again.

Bernie says he admires Castro, not the gay street in San Francisco, but the brutal dictator in Cuba. He says Castro brought bread lines to Cuba. He says he wants revolution. He said he didn't know how big too big to fail is. He said he would leave it up to the banks on how they break up. Trump would eat this guy alive.

Trump says he admires Putin. Talks nuclear weapons. Religious bans, walls. His base loves it.

Both talk about bringing jobs back that don't exist so they both lie.

Hillary on the other hand. She has been fighting GOP smears for 30 years. No one could be as "evil" as they say she is. Every time the GOP says something awful about the Clintons, the press eats it up.
Do you think if the Clintons had taken the country into Iraq the way that Bush did, anyone would ever let it go?
Imagine if hundreds of Americans died in Lebanon like they did under Reagan, would anyone would let that go or not even question it?
Imagine if the Clintons promised a tax cut like the Bush tax cuts would create millions of jobs and instead created trillions in debt, would anyone have let that go?
Imagine of Bill said "good job Brownie" after Katrina, would anyone have let that go?

And yet there she is. And, if you check out the different fact checking sites, who rates the most honest? Hillary.

Who rates the most dishonest? By far, Trump.

Who gets the most negative press? By far Hillary.

Who gets the most positive? Bernie, then Trump.

I believe with the minority vote, women's vote and the rest of the Democrats, Hillary will win. As Trump is vetted, people will become frightened. He's already scary. But it takes really stupid people to not see it. But they will. With only Trump and Hillary, Donald will eventually have to take a stand on something. He can't dodge the press forever.


No one should pay any attention to National polling data, they have turned out to be a world wide disaster. No one picks up on unknown callers anymore, and most of us have cell phones that pollsters have no access too. So the crowd that are answering these questions, are the ones that will pick up on unknown callers, more than likely the elderly or the very young, who have nothing better to do, than talk to someone they don't know. Meaning Sanders and Trump supporters. Here is a great article from Bloomberg and the problem with the National polls.
Flaws in Polling Data Exposed as U.S. Campaign Season Heats Up

Bernie Sanders would have gotten slaughtered in a National Election. In fact Sanders was Republicans last hope for winning the White House. And we can now see that in the actual vote coming in during the primaries. This country is center, it always has been, it always will be. It will not elect far left or far right candidates, much less a confirmed and recognized socialist that is out there campaigning on free college tuition, and adding an additional 29 trillion dollars to Federal Government spending when we're already 19 trillion in Red Ink.

Most people are politically stupid, but when they hear a politician campaigning on these kinds of things, they're not stupid enough to believe that they won't end up paying for it--LOL.

Republicans would have steam rolled and buried Sanders over his praise of one of the most brutal, murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Now while Millennials have no idea to Fidel Castro is, you can be assured that the largest generation in this nations history, baby boomers, know exactly who he is and the thousands of deaths he is responsible for. Republicans would have made sure they remembered.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Trump & Sanders do have something in common--even though they're complete opposite in their ideology. They have both exploited the political ignorance of their supporters.
Column: Trump exploits rational political ignorance
Bernie Sanders Can't Explain How He'd Break Up Big Banks, Among Other Things | VICE News


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So yes--It's Hillary Clinton from here all the way to the White House at this time. She is going to paint this country blue from sea to shining sea on election night.

 
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I good point was brought up about the 714 Democrat Super Delegates tonight. They're there for a reason, and it's so they don't get another disaster like happened in 1984. This country is center, it always has been, it always will be. It will NOT elect far left or far right candidates, much less a confirmed and recognized socialist that is out there campaigning on free college tuition, and adding an additional 29 trillion dollars to Federal Government spending, when we're already 19 trillion in Red Ink.

Ronald Reagan v Walter Mondale

Here's what happened:

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So the Democrat Party installed 714 Democrat Super Delegates to insure that this never happens again. Walter Mondale wasn't even in the same ballpark with Bernie Sanders when it came to being far-far left.

Also a lot of Sanders supporters will reference polling data to Trump. In fact, Sanders and his campaign brings National polling data up a lot. These National polls have turned into a world wide disaster. No one picks up on unknown callers anymore and most of us have cell phones that pollsters have no access too. So who's going to pick up on unknown callers. Most likely elderly that didn't want to pay for caller I.D. and young people who have nothing better to do than talk to someone they don't know.

So they are forced to use very small samples. I saw one with 826 participants across this nation that was supposed to represent the opinion of 170+ million voters. They're laughable.

Here is great article about National polling data.
Flaws in Polling Data Exposed as U.S. Campaign Season Heats Up
 
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Who gets the most negative press? By far Hillary.

:cuckoo:

As far as The Donald not being vetted, :p he has been getting public scrutiny for decades. Democrat Obama in contrast did not even have a birth certificate to present until The Donald forced him to post that photoshopped hack job. So obviously the MSM protects democrats like Crooked Hillary.
 
Who gets the most negative press? By far Hillary.

:cuckoo:

As far as The Donald not being vetted, :p he has been getting public scrutiny for decades. Democrat Obama in contrast did not even have a birth certificate to present until The Donald forced him to post that photoshopped hack job. So obviously the MSM protects democrats like Crooked Hillary.
If you think Obama's birth certificate is fake, you are one stupid fuck.
 
Democrats vs. Trump: Who's the Better Bet?

I've seen this question asked many times and again and again, they say Bernie is way ahead of Trump.

The truth is, neither Bernie nor Trump have been really vetted by the press.

On policy, Bernie can't change. He has been spouting the same policies for the last two years, even if he can't define them.

Trump can and does say anything he wants. Politifact rates 76% of everything he says as lies. His people don't care. They just repeat what he says, make America great again.

Bernie says he admires Castro, not the gay street in San Francisco, but the brutal dictator in Cuba. He says Castro brought bread lines to Cuba. He says he wants revolution. He said he didn't know how big too big to fail is. He said he would leave it up to the banks on how they break up. Trump would eat this guy alive.

Trump says he admires Putin. Talks nuclear weapons. Religious bans, walls. His base loves it.

Both talk about bringing jobs back that don't exist so they both lie.

Hillary on the other hand. She has been fighting GOP smears for 30 years. No one could be as "evil" as they say she is. Every time the GOP says something awful about the Clintons, the press eats it up.
Do you think if the Clintons had taken the country into Iraq the way that Bush did, anyone would ever let it go?
Imagine if hundreds of Americans died in Lebanon like they did under Reagan, would anyone would let that go or not even question it?
Imagine if the Clintons promised a tax cut like the Bush tax cuts would create millions of jobs and instead created trillions in debt, would anyone have let that go?
Imagine of Bill said "good job Brownie" after Katrina, would anyone have let that go?

And yet there she is. And, if you check out the different fact checking sites, who rates the most honest? Hillary.

Who rates the most dishonest? By far, Trump.

Who gets the most negative press? By far Hillary.

Who gets the most positive? Bernie, then Trump.

I believe with the minority vote, women's vote and the rest of the Democrats, Hillary will win. As Trump is vetted, people will become frightened. He's already scary. But it takes really stupid people to not see it. But they will. With only Trump and Hillary, Donald will eventually have to take a stand on something. He can't dodge the press forever.


No one should pay any attention to National polling data, they have turned out to be a world wide disaster. No one picks up on unknown callers anymore, and most of us have cell phones that pollsters have no access too. So the crowd that are answering these questions, are the ones that will pick up on unknown callers, more than likely the elderly or the very young, who have nothing better to do, than talk to someone they don't know. Meaning Sanders and Trump supporters. Here is a great article from Bloomberg and the problem with the National polls.
Flaws in Polling Data Exposed as U.S. Campaign Season Heats Up

Bernie Sanders would have gotten slaughtered in a National Election. In fact Sanders was Republicans last hope for winning the White House. And we can now see that in the actual vote coming in during the primaries. This country is center, it always has been, it always will be. It will not elect far left or far right candidates, much less a confirmed and recognized socialist that is out there campaigning on free college tuition, and adding an additional 29 trillion dollars to Federal Government spending when we're already 19 trillion in Red Ink.

Most people are politically stupid, but when they hear a politician campaigning on these kinds of things, they're not stupid enough to believe that they won't end up paying for it--LOL.

Republicans would have steam rolled and buried Sanders over his praise of one of the most brutal, murderous dictators to come out of the 20th century. Now while Millennials have no idea to Fidel Castro is, you can be assured that the largest generation in this nations history, baby boomers, know exactly who he is and the thousands of deaths he is responsible for. Republicans would have made sure they remembered.
Bernie Sanders heaped praise on Fidel Castro in 1985 interview

Trump & Sanders do have something in common--even though they're complete opposite in their ideology. They have both exploited the political ignorance of their supporters.
Column: Trump exploits rational political ignorance
Bernie Sanders Can't Explain How He'd Break Up Big Banks, Among Other Things | VICE News


56d50c868bc59.image.jpg


So yes--It's Hillary Clinton from here all the way to the White House at this time. She is going to paint this country blue from sea to shining sea on election night.
We can only hope.
But,
there are different perspectives.
The reason so many Bernie supporters would vote for Trump is because Trump is a popular TV figure. They feel they know him. Trump and Bernie are both telling the same ignorant lie that they can bring back jobs that no longer exist. China has already replaced many of those workers making a buck six an hour with robots. And they are working to replace even more.
And if we do some investigation, Hillary has received by far the most negative press. Neither Donald nor Bernie have ever been vetted. Fact check sites have consistently shown Trump to be flip flopping or outright lying over 75% of the time. Bernie is hardly better. He doesn't know his own proposals in depth. He can't even answer even basic questions., And Hilary has been shown to be the most honest one again and again. The right wing would never believe it. Mrs. Clinton has been smeared for 30 years by the Republicans with outrageous lies on the level of birth certificate. And these attacks on her family. How low can you go?

Hilary is fighting Trump, Bernie and the press. It will be interesting to see what happens in the general election. Will the press hang on Trump's every word? Will people who have been hurt by his bankruptcies be allowed to talk? He entire campaign revolves around personal attacks and nothing else. Will the press enable him like they have so far? We'll have to see.
 
Who gets the most negative press? By far Hillary.

:cuckoo:

As far as The Donald not being vetted, :p he has been getting public scrutiny for decades. Democrat Obama in contrast did not even have a birth certificate to present until The Donald forced him to post that photoshopped hack job. So obviously the MSM protects democrats like Crooked Hillary.
Being watched on TV on a reality show is hardly scrutiny.
And only tards and the easily misled ever believed in birtherism. The whole idea is stupid beyond belief.
 

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