So...your girlfriend is being raped by 4 thugs, good thing you don't have a gun...right?

[2aguy]

When he is arrrested by the police for breaking the law, or during any encounter with the police where they find he has a gun in his possession, they run a felony check on him and find that he is a felon in possession of a gun....these are already covered under existing law.

Normal people are not cops...they do not have to investigate other citizens to determine their legal status.

If someone is selling guns knowingly to felons...when you catch one of his felon customers, you get him to rat the seller out and do an undercover sting...just like you do for every other crime.....

I have listed many arrests of illegal gun runners. Not one of them was caught because someone did a background check...they were all caught because someone snitched on them, then the police set up a sting and caught them.....then, of course, the prosecutors and judges gave them light sentences......which is the real problem.

Right. After he has broken the law again. You still haven't shown me how or why anyone would legally be obligated to even care if they were selling to a felon. The crook isn't going to tell the seller, and the seller is under no obligation to check. Why do you want to arm all those people who aren't supposed to have guns? Why do you encourage more crime?

Because......individual sellers are not the problem...never were. And if you insist on background checks for private sales, you are infringing on the right of people to the 2nd Amendment freedom...it increases the burden on exercising the right....just like a Poll Tax does for voting.

Felons use people with clean records to buy their guns for them...right now...from licensed gun sellers....so if you require a background check for an individual sale....they will just use straw buyers for that too....twit.

you achieve nothing.

Right now, illegal gun sellers are captured by other criminals giving them up to police....they do not get caught because we have background check laws......

Existing laws are more than enough to catch and jail criminals who use guns illegally....not one additiaonal law you support works......you can name them...but then you can't explain how they will stop criminals from getting guns......

And on top of that....citizens are not cops....it is not their job to investigate other citizens to determine their legal status for the sale of legal products.....the criminal already knows they cannot own or buy the gun......and when they get caught, they can be arrested under existing law....

but what burns your ass.......you can't touch the normal gun owner who may have sold one gun to a guy he thought was okay........so you want to create a legal morass that they have to navigate...so when they make a simple , innocent mistake you can destroy them completely.....you will take their jobs, their homes, their money, make them a felon and put them in jail....

That is what make you happy....you could care less about stopping the actual violent criminal.

You're full of shit. Any time a gun is sold to a felon so he can commit another crime, it's a problem. You made it clear that crooks don't obey the laws. Laws are in place to keep the honest people from doing bad things. Selling yet another gun to a felon is a bad thing, but you don't think so. What else could be expected from a coward who is afraid of the world without being armed 24/7? Coward.

Dipshit......if you could go back in time and give that couple a pair of guns, one for her, one for him....would you? Or would you let the rape happen?

Show us that you aren't a coward and answer the question.

That incident was tragic, but nobody prevented them from having guns. That was their choice. Preventing thugs from easily getting guns is my main concern.

Nothing you propose accomplishes that......in fact...all you do is make it harder for normal, law abiding people to get guns.

 

[2aguy]

That incident was tragic, but nobody prevented them from having guns. That was their choice. Preventing thugs from easily getting guns is my main concern.

And for that, you need serious gun control...

Yeah....like they have in Belgium...France.......where did the terrorists get their AK-47s in Europe...considering those are illegal and Europe has stricter gun control than the United STates......

Do they have background checks for bombs too....

 

[2aguy]

I saw this linked through extranosalley...I like to credit sources...who links to it through instapundit.....where we finally end up with the story from the Boston Herald.....

4 thugs attack a couple and begin to rape the girlfriend...they beat up the boyfriend as the rape is happening.....neither one of the couple is armed with anything but good intentions....and they manage to escape....

This goes to the opening of my new school of anti gun nut self defense....which is based on the following techniques for surviving a violent criminal assault....

1) When attacked by 4 thugs, who are raping your girlfriend and beating you up...hope they have good intentions.

2) When attacked by 4 thugs, who are raping your girlfriend and beating you up...hope they are incompetent.

3) When attacked by 4 thugs, who are raping your girlfriend and beating you up....hope that pure, dumb, luck saves the day.

I believe that if you master these 3 simple anti gun nut self defense techniques you will be as prepared as the typical anti gunner should you ever encounter an actual, real encounter with a violent sociopath....

Here is what happened to this couple...

Illegals held in vicious Framingham rape

Federal immigration officials are requesting detainers on four illegal aliens accused of a heinous attack on a Framingham couple in which the woman was raped and her boyfriend was beaten and threatened with death, the Herald has learned.

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In the Framingham case, the victim’s boyfriend was beaten while his girlfriend was held down on a bed and raped Sunday evening, authorities say.

The still-shaken boyfriend told the Herald yesterday that he and his girlfriend have not yet come to terms with the horrific assault.

“I thought we were going to die. I really did. And I didn’t care if I died as long as I could save her and get her out of there, that’s all I cared about,” said the 
boyfriend, whose name the Herald is withholding.

“I’ve lived (in Framingham) my whole life and I never imagined anything like this could happen just walking down the street,” he said. “The worst part was I felt like I couldn’t do anything.”

According to authorities, he and his girlfriend were out walking and enjoying an unseasonably warm evening when they were approached by a man carrying beer, police said. The man appeared friendly and offered them a drink, then three more men emerged, police said.

One produced a condom and indicated he wanted the man’s girlfriend. One grabbed his girlfriend by the hood of her sweatshirt, dragging her away, while the biggest of the group kept her boyfriend back, police said.

“They brought her into the building on the corner into the apartment,” police said. “They pulled a dresser or table across the door of the room so she could not leave … (They) were trying to climb on her while the others were groping her.”

Her boyfriend managed to force his way into the apartment and was calling 911 when two of the men broke away to handle him, 
police said.

Police said Ariel Diaz head-butted the man several times and then grabbed a large chef’s knife and tried slashing him, but Jarquin-Felipe pushed the knife-wielder back, stopping him from stabbing the man.

Unless you walk around with your gun drawn at all times its difficult to imagine you'd be able to keep 4 "thugs" with any skills at planning an attack at all from gaining the advantage on you. Then they take your gun and beat you with it. You really are a lunatic.

Someone else who has no idea what they are talking about....do you study the issue of gun self defense? You should really try to because if you did you would see that you are wrong........an armed individual can drive off 4 thugs...happens all the time.....read TheArmedCitizen site....or thetruthaboutguns....or concealednation.....and get some real information on how guns are used in actual self defense situations.....

 

[BULLDOG]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

 

[bripat9643]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

Not if it means stripping all their potential victims of the right to own a gun.

 

[BULLDOG]

Right. After he has broken the law again. You still haven't shown me how or why anyone would legally be obligated to even care if they were selling to a felon. The crook isn't going to tell the seller, and the seller is under no obligation to check. Why do you want to arm all those people who aren't supposed to have guns? Why do you encourage more crime?

Because......individual sellers are not the problem...never were. And if you insist on background checks for private sales, you are infringing on the right of people to the 2nd Amendment freedom...it increases the burden on exercising the right....just like a Poll Tax does for voting.

Felons use people with clean records to buy their guns for them...right now...from licensed gun sellers....so if you require a background check for an individual sale....they will just use straw buyers for that too....twit.

you achieve nothing.

Right now, illegal gun sellers are captured by other criminals giving them up to police....they do not get caught because we have background check laws......

Existing laws are more than enough to catch and jail criminals who use guns illegally....not one additiaonal law you support works......you can name them...but then you can't explain how they will stop criminals from getting guns......

And on top of that....citizens are not cops....it is not their job to investigate other citizens to determine their legal status for the sale of legal products.....the criminal already knows they cannot own or buy the gun......and when they get caught, they can be arrested under existing law....

but what burns your ass.......you can't touch the normal gun owner who may have sold one gun to a guy he thought was okay........so you want to create a legal morass that they have to navigate...so when they make a simple , innocent mistake you can destroy them completely.....you will take their jobs, their homes, their money, make them a felon and put them in jail....

That is what make you happy....you could care less about stopping the actual violent criminal.

You're full of shit. Any time a gun is sold to a felon so he can commit another crime, it's a problem. You made it clear that crooks don't obey the laws. Laws are in place to keep the honest people from doing bad things. Selling yet another gun to a felon is a bad thing, but you don't think so. What else could be expected from a coward who is afraid of the world without being armed 24/7? Coward.

Asswipe.......all you have to do is arrest the felon. It is that easy. He cannot own the gun.....he cannot carry the gun...catch him with the gun and he goes to jail.....

A normal person who is required to do a background check for a gun sale is being over burdened for no good reason. If you require background checks on private sales.....the felons will simply send their straw buyer to buy it, making your background check fucking pointless...the same way it is pointless at a gun store or a gun show.....the straw buyer has a clean record, they buy the gun and pass the background check...because they have a clean record...you insistence on a background check for every single sale is dumb since the only one who will suffer is the law abiding gun owner who now has to pay for a background check for someone who will already pass it.....

You are a useful idiot....you parrot whatever the anti gun nut leadership tells you you should say....because they already know that universal background checks are stupid and will not keep criminals or mass shooters from getting guns...

Why do they support it? Because it gives them the reason for universal gun registration......their real goal....you can't have universal background checks without universal registration...which will be the very next thing the demand when universal background checks fail.......

you are a useful idiot...

Right. You want to make sure he is able to get the gun, and you think we have the man power to monitor every felon we have to know immediately when they get a gun. Should we pat down each and every one of them every day? Would weekly or monthly be often enough? Of course,if we wait till he commits another crime with the gun you want him to have, he might not get caught with the gun at all. I'm sure thugs all over the country are grateful for your help.

No...twit. But as they use the guns and are caught in crime...you arrest them for it. When they are interacting with police and are found to have a gun...you arrest them.

What you want to do....would not stop them.....at all...ever.....again...you are apparently slow...so I will explain how it works...again. Convicted criminals send people with clean backgrounds to buy their weapons...they pass background checks. So for the tiny number of individual sales to possible felons....they will simply send straw buyers to individual sellers when they want to buy those guns......making your whole point stupid.....

What you want to do is create another chance to get a normal gun owner in trouble......if he fails to do a background check...like the woman selling her dead husbands gun to her son.....she is now a felon and so is the son.....congratualtions.....you just caught two felons selling a gun illegally...twit.

Also.....it will cost more money for the individual to sell a legal gun...he will now have to find a gun store, or try to get the already over worked police to find time to run a background check on his buyer....and pay more for it....which is an infringement on a right...since the seller isn't a criminal to begin with.....

Also.....you are a useful idiot to the anti gun nut leadership. They know all of the above, they know that universal background checks will not stop criminals or mass shooters from getting guns....but it gets them to the next step...universal gun registration, because you can't have universal background checks without universal registration....and then later, perhaps 10-15-20 years....when they have the political muscle...they will ban or confiscate those guns with that list.....

Twit.

Waiting until after they commit another crime and hoping they are caught again is a little too late. They have already been caught for a crime and it has been determined they shouldn't be able to buy another gun, but you don't care about that. Lets let them do it again, and if they commit enough crimes, and we catch them enough times, eventually they will be put in prison for a while. After they serve their time, they're released where somebody else can legally sell them another gun, and start all over again. Dumb plan.

 

[BULLDOG]

Right. After he has broken the law again. You still haven't shown me how or why anyone would legally be obligated to even care if they were selling to a felon. The crook isn't going to tell the seller, and the seller is under no obligation to check. Why do you want to arm all those people who aren't supposed to have guns? Why do you encourage more crime?

Because......individual sellers are not the problem...never were. And if you insist on background checks for private sales, you are infringing on the right of people to the 2nd Amendment freedom...it increases the burden on exercising the right....just like a Poll Tax does for voting.

Felons use people with clean records to buy their guns for them...right now...from licensed gun sellers....so if you require a background check for an individual sale....they will just use straw buyers for that too....twit.

you achieve nothing.

Right now, illegal gun sellers are captured by other criminals giving them up to police....they do not get caught because we have background check laws......

Existing laws are more than enough to catch and jail criminals who use guns illegally....not one additiaonal law you support works......you can name them...but then you can't explain how they will stop criminals from getting guns......

And on top of that....citizens are not cops....it is not their job to investigate other citizens to determine their legal status for the sale of legal products.....the criminal already knows they cannot own or buy the gun......and when they get caught, they can be arrested under existing law....

but what burns your ass.......you can't touch the normal gun owner who may have sold one gun to a guy he thought was okay........so you want to create a legal morass that they have to navigate...so when they make a simple , innocent mistake you can destroy them completely.....you will take their jobs, their homes, their money, make them a felon and put them in jail....

That is what make you happy....you could care less about stopping the actual violent criminal.

You're full of shit. Any time a gun is sold to a felon so he can commit another crime, it's a problem. You made it clear that crooks don't obey the laws. Laws are in place to keep the honest people from doing bad things. Selling yet another gun to a felon is a bad thing, but you don't think so. What else could be expected from a coward who is afraid of the world without being armed 24/7? Coward.

Dipshit......if you could go back in time and give that couple a pair of guns, one for her, one for him....would you? Or would you let the rape happen?

Show us that you aren't a coward and answer the question.

That incident was tragic, but nobody prevented them from having guns. That was their choice. Preventing thugs from easily getting guns is my main concern.

Nothing you propose accomplishes that......in fact...all you do is make it harder for normal, law abiding people to get guns.

Wrong.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The girlfriend should have a gun....no rape.

 

[BULLDOG]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

Not if it means stripping all their potential victims of the right to own a gun.

Are you saying all potential victims couldn't pass a background check?

 

[2aguy]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

How do you do that? Please explain.

 

[2aguy]

Because......individual sellers are not the problem...never were. And if you insist on background checks for private sales, you are infringing on the right of people to the 2nd Amendment freedom...it increases the burden on exercising the right....just like a Poll Tax does for voting.

Felons use people with clean records to buy their guns for them...right now...from licensed gun sellers....so if you require a background check for an individual sale....they will just use straw buyers for that too....twit.

you achieve nothing.

Right now, illegal gun sellers are captured by other criminals giving them up to police....they do not get caught because we have background check laws......

Existing laws are more than enough to catch and jail criminals who use guns illegally....not one additiaonal law you support works......you can name them...but then you can't explain how they will stop criminals from getting guns......

And on top of that....citizens are not cops....it is not their job to investigate other citizens to determine their legal status for the sale of legal products.....the criminal already knows they cannot own or buy the gun......and when they get caught, they can be arrested under existing law....

but what burns your ass.......you can't touch the normal gun owner who may have sold one gun to a guy he thought was okay........so you want to create a legal morass that they have to navigate...so when they make a simple , innocent mistake you can destroy them completely.....you will take their jobs, their homes, their money, make them a felon and put them in jail....

That is what make you happy....you could care less about stopping the actual violent criminal.

You're full of shit. Any time a gun is sold to a felon so he can commit another crime, it's a problem. You made it clear that crooks don't obey the laws. Laws are in place to keep the honest people from doing bad things. Selling yet another gun to a felon is a bad thing, but you don't think so. What else could be expected from a coward who is afraid of the world without being armed 24/7? Coward.

Asswipe.......all you have to do is arrest the felon. It is that easy. He cannot own the gun.....he cannot carry the gun...catch him with the gun and he goes to jail.....

A normal person who is required to do a background check for a gun sale is being over burdened for no good reason. If you require background checks on private sales.....the felons will simply send their straw buyer to buy it, making your background check fucking pointless...the same way it is pointless at a gun store or a gun show.....the straw buyer has a clean record, they buy the gun and pass the background check...because they have a clean record...you insistence on a background check for every single sale is dumb since the only one who will suffer is the law abiding gun owner who now has to pay for a background check for someone who will already pass it.....

You are a useful idiot....you parrot whatever the anti gun nut leadership tells you you should say....because they already know that universal background checks are stupid and will not keep criminals or mass shooters from getting guns...

Why do they support it? Because it gives them the reason for universal gun registration......their real goal....you can't have universal background checks without universal registration...which will be the very next thing the demand when universal background checks fail.......

you are a useful idiot...

Right. You want to make sure he is able to get the gun, and you think we have the man power to monitor every felon we have to know immediately when they get a gun. Should we pat down each and every one of them every day? Would weekly or monthly be often enough? Of course,if we wait till he commits another crime with the gun you want him to have, he might not get caught with the gun at all. I'm sure thugs all over the country are grateful for your help.

No...twit. But as they use the guns and are caught in crime...you arrest them for it. When they are interacting with police and are found to have a gun...you arrest them.

What you want to do....would not stop them.....at all...ever.....again...you are apparently slow...so I will explain how it works...again. Convicted criminals send people with clean backgrounds to buy their weapons...they pass background checks. So for the tiny number of individual sales to possible felons....they will simply send straw buyers to individual sellers when they want to buy those guns......making your whole point stupid.....

What you want to do is create another chance to get a normal gun owner in trouble......if he fails to do a background check...like the woman selling her dead husbands gun to her son.....she is now a felon and so is the son.....congratualtions.....you just caught two felons selling a gun illegally...twit.

Also.....it will cost more money for the individual to sell a legal gun...he will now have to find a gun store, or try to get the already over worked police to find time to run a background check on his buyer....and pay more for it....which is an infringement on a right...since the seller isn't a criminal to begin with.....

Also.....you are a useful idiot to the anti gun nut leadership. They know all of the above, they know that universal background checks will not stop criminals or mass shooters from getting guns....but it gets them to the next step...universal gun registration, because you can't have universal background checks without universal registration....and then later, perhaps 10-15-20 years....when they have the political muscle...they will ban or confiscate those guns with that list.....

Twit.

Waiting until after they commit another crime and hoping they are caught again is a little too late. They have already been caught for a crime and it has been determined they shouldn't be able to buy another gun, but you don't care about that. Lets let them do it again, and if they commit enough crimes, and we catch them enough times, eventually they will be put in prison for a while. After they serve their time, they're released where somebody else can legally sell them another gun, and start all over again. Dumb plan.

See...this is why when you catch them the first time....you put them in jail for 15 years. Then the next time they see a gun they will think twice before even touching it......and you spread the word....buy an illegal gun...you get 15 years.

Please explain the plan that you think would keep guns out of the hands of criminals......

Do you think universal background checks are the way to go? I already showed you they don't work for the current mandated, federal background check and that universal background checks will be avoided the same way...so now what is your idea? An idea that doesn't end up targeting normal gun owners instead of actual criminals.

 

[BULLDOG]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

How do you do that? Please explain.

Dumb question. That has been the subject of this discussion, but if you want to act more ignorant than usual, then go play with yourself.

 

[2aguy]

Because......individual sellers are not the problem...never were. And if you insist on background checks for private sales, you are infringing on the right of people to the 2nd Amendment freedom...it increases the burden on exercising the right....just like a Poll Tax does for voting.

Felons use people with clean records to buy their guns for them...right now...from licensed gun sellers....so if you require a background check for an individual sale....they will just use straw buyers for that too....twit.

you achieve nothing.

Right now, illegal gun sellers are captured by other criminals giving them up to police....they do not get caught because we have background check laws......

Existing laws are more than enough to catch and jail criminals who use guns illegally....not one additiaonal law you support works......you can name them...but then you can't explain how they will stop criminals from getting guns......

And on top of that....citizens are not cops....it is not their job to investigate other citizens to determine their legal status for the sale of legal products.....the criminal already knows they cannot own or buy the gun......and when they get caught, they can be arrested under existing law....

but what burns your ass.......you can't touch the normal gun owner who may have sold one gun to a guy he thought was okay........so you want to create a legal morass that they have to navigate...so when they make a simple , innocent mistake you can destroy them completely.....you will take their jobs, their homes, their money, make them a felon and put them in jail....

That is what make you happy....you could care less about stopping the actual violent criminal.

You're full of shit. Any time a gun is sold to a felon so he can commit another crime, it's a problem. You made it clear that crooks don't obey the laws. Laws are in place to keep the honest people from doing bad things. Selling yet another gun to a felon is a bad thing, but you don't think so. What else could be expected from a coward who is afraid of the world without being armed 24/7? Coward.

Dipshit......if you could go back in time and give that couple a pair of guns, one for her, one for him....would you? Or would you let the rape happen?

Show us that you aren't a coward and answer the question.

That incident was tragic, but nobody prevented them from having guns. That was their choice. Preventing thugs from easily getting guns is my main concern.

Nothing you propose accomplishes that......in fact...all you do is make it harder for normal, law abiding people to get guns.

Wrong.

Yeah......again, nothing you propose accomplishes anything you say you want.....all it does is make it easier to ensnare a normal gun owner who makes a clerical error or fails to go thru a bureaucratic hoop....then of course you can destroy that guy...the guy who never committed a crime....

 

[2aguy]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

How do you do that? Please explain.

Dumb question. That has been the subject of this discussion, but if you want to act more ignorant than usual, then go play with yourself.

So you avoid answering the question........nice job. That isn't the subject of this discussion and you haven't given an answer to something that must be pretty easy...since you claim that keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is a simple thing....right?

 

[2aguy]

Do you think there are any thugs who should be denied a gun, or do you want all of them to have all they want? I don't want to hear all your usual misdirection, just answer the question. Yes or no?

I don't know anyone who believes convicted felons should be allowed to own guns. That's a straw man.

No it's not. Don't you think it would be worthwhile to prevent guns being sold to them?

How do you do that? Please explain.

Dumb question. That has been the subject of this discussion, but if you want to act more ignorant than usual, then go play with yourself.

What is your idea for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals...who already know they can't buy, own or carry guns.....?

 

[Nosmo King]

Run and hide coward.

I will not be brave with the well being of my family.

Was that man brave when he went for a walk with his girlfriend and was unable to protect her?

YOur words are the words of the foolhardy, not the brave.

Ws
Coward.

Being prepared is not an Act of Cowardice.

Pretending the danger is not real, is the act of a fool and a coward.

Fear undergirds your life. Fear of random violence. Fear of Muslims. Fear of the undocumented immigrant. Fear of the American Left.

....

Responsibility undergirds my life, responsibility for myself, my family and to a lesser extent friends and community.

Your head in sand approach works fine, as long as there are grown ups somewhere doing enough to keep the dangers in check and/or enough other victims around that you can count on the odds that someone else will be the unlucky one(s) that day.

Your hyperbole about "gunslinging heroes" in noted and dismissed as nonsense.

Your argument is based on hyperbole. Hyperbole that around every corner lies violent criminals bent on killing me. The hyperbole of a bad movie about post apocalyptic violence. That situation is NOT part of my life.

My responsibility lies in knowing my limitations. I would not be the calm cool gunslinger hero so many gun advocates imagine themselves to be. I would be a hazard, not a hero and I damn well know it.

Gun advocates believe that, lacking training in crisis situations, their inner Dirty Harry would come forth and save the day. The Hero Gunslinger.

My reality trumps your fears. I chose not to be a killer, a savior, a hero. Because I know that is hyperbole.

 

[2aguy]

I will not be brave with the well being of my family.

Was that man brave when he went for a walk with his girlfriend and was unable to protect her?

YOur words are the words of the foolhardy, not the brave.

Ws
Coward.

Being prepared is not an Act of Cowardice.

Pretending the danger is not real, is the act of a fool and a coward.

Fear undergirds your life. Fear of random violence. Fear of Muslims. Fear of the undocumented immigrant. Fear of the American Left.

....

Responsibility undergirds my life, responsibility for myself, my family and to a lesser extent friends and community.

Your head in sand approach works fine, as long as there are grown ups somewhere doing enough to keep the dangers in check and/or enough other victims around that you can count on the odds that someone else will be the unlucky one(s) that day.

Your hyperbole about "gunslinging heroes" in noted and dismissed as nonsense.

Your argument is based on hyperbole. Hyperbole that around every corner lies violent criminals bent on killing me. The hyperbole of a bad movie about post apocalyptic violence. That situation is NOT part of my life.

My responsibility lies in knowing my limitations. I would not be the calm cool gunslinger hero so many gun advocates imagine themselves to be. I would be a hazard, not a hero and I damn well know it.

Gun advocates believe that, lacking training in crisis situations, their inner Dirty Harry would come forth and save the day. The Hero Gunslinger.

My reality trumps your fears. I chose not to be a killer, a savior, a hero. Because I know that is hyperbole.

If that is what you think then you are right, do not carry a gun. However, don't push your anti gun beliefs on other people.......actual research shows that normal people can and do use guns responsibly and effectively to defend themselves and loved ones, sometimes with very little training.........

So....If you could go back in time...would you give guns to this couple?

Or would you let the rape happen?

 

[2aguy]

I will not be brave with the well being of my family.

Was that man brave when he went for a walk with his girlfriend and was unable to protect her?

YOur words are the words of the foolhardy, not the brave.

Ws
Coward.

Being prepared is not an Act of Cowardice.

Pretending the danger is not real, is the act of a fool and a coward.

Fear undergirds your life. Fear of random violence. Fear of Muslims. Fear of the undocumented immigrant. Fear of the American Left.

....

Responsibility undergirds my life, responsibility for myself, my family and to a lesser extent friends and community.

Your head in sand approach works fine, as long as there are grown ups somewhere doing enough to keep the dangers in check and/or enough other victims around that you can count on the odds that someone else will be the unlucky one(s) that day.

Your hyperbole about "gunslinging heroes" in noted and dismissed as nonsense.

Your argument is based on hyperbole. Hyperbole that around every corner lies violent criminals bent on killing me. The hyperbole of a bad movie about post apocalyptic violence. That situation is NOT part of my life.

My responsibility lies in knowing my limitations. I would not be the calm cool gunslinger hero so many gun advocates imagine themselves to be. I would be a hazard, not a hero and I damn well know it.

Gun advocates believe that, lacking training in crisis situations, their inner Dirty Harry would come forth and save the day. The Hero Gunslinger.

My reality trumps your fears. I chose not to be a killer, a savior, a hero. Because I know that is hyperbole.

According to bill clinton's Department of Justice Study on the Use of Guns by civilians for self defense, Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives.....not hyperbole...actual research.

 

[Nosmo King]

Ws
Coward.

Being prepared is not an Act of Cowardice.

Pretending the danger is not real, is the act of a fool and a coward.

Fear undergirds your life. Fear of random violence. Fear of Muslims. Fear of the undocumented immigrant. Fear of the American Left.

....

Responsibility undergirds my life, responsibility for myself, my family and to a lesser extent friends and community.

Your head in sand approach works fine, as long as there are grown ups somewhere doing enough to keep the dangers in check and/or enough other victims around that you can count on the odds that someone else will be the unlucky one(s) that day.

Your hyperbole about "gunslinging heroes" in noted and dismissed as nonsense.

Your argument is based on hyperbole. Hyperbole that around every corner lies violent criminals bent on killing me. The hyperbole of a bad movie about post apocalyptic violence. That situation is NOT part of my life.

My responsibility lies in knowing my limitations. I would not be the calm cool gunslinger hero so many gun advocates imagine themselves to be. I would be a hazard, not a hero and I damn well know it.

Gun advocates believe that, lacking training in crisis situations, their inner Dirty Harry would come forth and save the day. The Hero Gunslinger.

My reality trumps your fears. I chose not to be a killer, a savior, a hero. Because I know that is hyperbole.

If that is what you think then you are right, do not carry a gun. However, don't push your anti gun beliefs on other people.......actual research shows that normal people can and do use guns responsibly and effectively to defend themselves and loved ones, sometimes with very little training.........

So....If you could go back in time...would you give guns to this couple?

Or would you let the rape happen?

I don't know this couple. I don't know their limitations or their degree of responsibility so far as gun use is concerned.

I wonder why you would prohibit me from forcing my attitude vis-a-vis guns on others while you proclaim your view od guns as a panacea proudly.

Not everyone carries the Rambo gene. And even those who do so with a false sense of ability and skill.

Guns aren't like seat belts. Seat belts save lives too, but that is what they are designed to do.

Guns are designed to propel hot lead at amazing velocity. Guns require training, skill and a calm, certain demeanor to be used responsibly. And those are attributes not every person has.

 

[2aguy]

Being prepared is not an Act of Cowardice.

Pretending the danger is not real, is the act of a fool and a coward.

Fear undergirds your life. Fear of random violence. Fear of Muslims. Fear of the undocumented immigrant. Fear of the American Left.

....

Responsibility undergirds my life, responsibility for myself, my family and to a lesser extent friends and community.

Your head in sand approach works fine, as long as there are grown ups somewhere doing enough to keep the dangers in check and/or enough other victims around that you can count on the odds that someone else will be the unlucky one(s) that day.

Your hyperbole about "gunslinging heroes" in noted and dismissed as nonsense.

Your argument is based on hyperbole. Hyperbole that around every corner lies violent criminals bent on killing me. The hyperbole of a bad movie about post apocalyptic violence. That situation is NOT part of my life.

My responsibility lies in knowing my limitations. I would not be the calm cool gunslinger hero so many gun advocates imagine themselves to be. I would be a hazard, not a hero and I damn well know it.

Gun advocates believe that, lacking training in crisis situations, their inner Dirty Harry would come forth and save the day. The Hero Gunslinger.



My reality trumps your fears. I chose not to be a killer, a savior, a hero. Because I know that is hyperbole.

If that is what you think then you are right, do not carry a gun. However, don't push your anti gun beliefs on other people.......actual research shows that normal people can and do use guns responsibly and effectively to defend themselves and loved ones, sometimes with very little training.........

So....If you could go back in time...would you give guns to this couple?

Or would you let the rape happen?

I don't know this couple. I don't know their limitations or their degree of responsibility so far as gun use is concerned.

I wonder why you would prohibit me from forcing my attitude vis-a-vis guns on others while you proclaim your view od guns as a panacea proudly.

Not everyone carries the Rambo gene. And even those who do so with a false sense of ability and skill.

Guns aren't like seat belts. Seat belts save lives too, but that is what they are designed to do.

Guns are designed to propel hot lead at amazing velocity. Guns require training, skill and a calm, certain demeanor to be used responsibly. And those are attributes not every person has.

Okay...deciphering your answer....you would let the woman be raped even if you could stop it by giving the couple a pair of pistols...thanks.....your belief that rape is better than using a gun to stop it is duly noted.