Socialism threads bandwagon

[danielpalos]

Any limitation that the country puts on the business is less freedom that the business has and the lower their ability to make money.

Agree, and if it takes too big a bit out of their profits and costs too much to do business there, they will not go there. Amazon proved that with the socialists in NY City.

But you are ok with it, but to a certain point. The only difference between you and the socialists in NY is how far you want the government to go in controlling the business. I do not seem to recall you being upset about the socialists tariffs that have been placed on products that people in this country buy from other countries.

Whatever. We disagree in definitions.

Which is the whole point of this thread.

We see a dozen threads a week about the evils of socialism, yet none of the people making the threads can even agree what it is. We are 17 pages into this thread and still nobody has given any examples of true socialist countries in the world today.

The way the word is used, anything, or nothing could be socialism. It has become a meaningless buzz word

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

socialism is a wall that is paid for by even those who won't be building it. socialism is wars on alleged abstractions that not everyone wants to pay for or work for.

 

[danielpalos]

"Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Give a man a welfare check, section 8 housing, a free cellphone, plus food stamps he can buy beer with, and he’ll vote Democrat for the rest of his life."

socialism is resorting to fallacies instead of sublime Truth (value) through argumentation.

 

[dblack]

Exactly. Which is why we can't indulge socialism. The more diverse a society becomes, the more important liberty becomes.

I am not sure if liberty and a large yet unified society can co-exist.

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

 

[Brain357]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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United States of America...

Alright being serious I would list Norway, Finland and Sweden as Socialist Nations.

Does anyone disagree?

I think in the way the word is used today, you are correct. They do not fall under the more traditional definition of state owned means of production, but they would fall under what is labeled as socialism in our country today.

They are all very successful with some of the happiest people on the planet. So if you would call them socialist, what does that say about socialism?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

No, I am not kidding.

If everyone is living a "live and let live" lifestyle and nobody shares the same values anymore, are people really united?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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United States of America...

Alright being serious I would list Norway, Finland and Sweden as Socialist Nations.

Does anyone disagree?

I think in the way the word is used today, you are correct. They do not fall under the more traditional definition of state owned means of production, but they would fall under what is labeled as socialism in our country today.

They are all very successful with some of the happiest people on the planet. So if you would call them socialist, what does that say about socialism?

Which is why most on the "right" will not allow those countries to be called socialist.

 

[Brain357]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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United States of America...

Alright being serious I would list Norway, Finland and Sweden as Socialist Nations.

Does anyone disagree?

I think in the way the word is used today, you are correct. They do not fall under the more traditional definition of state owned means of production, but they would fall under what is labeled as socialism in our country today.

They are all very successful with some of the happiest people on the planet. So if you would call them socialist, what does that say about socialism?

Which is why most on the "right" will not allow those countries to be called socialist.

That is funny. By the definition most of them seem to use they would be socialist. I don’t agree with that definition.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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United States of America...

Alright being serious I would list Norway, Finland and Sweden as Socialist Nations.

Does anyone disagree?

I think in the way the word is used today, you are correct. They do not fall under the more traditional definition of state owned means of production, but they would fall under what is labeled as socialism in our country today.

They are all very successful with some of the happiest people on the planet. So if you would call them socialist, what does that say about socialism?

Which is why most on the "right" will not allow those countries to be called socialist.

That is funny. By the definition most of them seem to use they would be socialist. I don’t agree with that definition.

which was the point of this thread. There is no set definition, it changes more often than people change their underwear.

 

[Blues Man]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Have you ever had an original thought?


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OK here’s original thought for you, socialism sucks because it always has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it. If it was Worth a shit it would not have to be forced.

Millions of conservatives/Libertarians in this country what nothing to do with socialism… It does not require our participation. Why don’t you keep that shit to yourselves if it is so great?

Yet so many conservatives support these special tax deals for corporations. Now that is socialism they support.

Taxes and tax laws are not socialism

The US government has no ownership stake in production and distribution therefore the US government is socialist.

Social Security is not socialism it is the seizing of a sizable portion person's income for the government to use for whatever it wants then after one has stopped working the government gives the money it took back with a horrid return,

Basically Social Security is a forced loan to the government

 

[ColonelAngus]

Socialism is awesome!

Jorge Ramos says he and his crew were detained while interviewing Venezuela's Maduro

 

[Brain357]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Have you ever had an original thought?


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OK here’s original thought for you, socialism sucks because it always has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it. If it was Worth a shit it would not have to be forced.

Millions of conservatives/Libertarians in this country what nothing to do with socialism… It does not require our participation. Why don’t you keep that shit to yourselves if it is so great?

Yet so many conservatives support these special tax deals for corporations. Now that is socialism they support.

Taxes and tax laws are not socialism

The US government has no ownership stake in production and distribution therefore the US government is socialist.

Social Security is not socialism it is the seizing of a sizable portion person's income for the government to use for whatever it wants then after one has stopped working the government gives the money it took back with a horrid return,

Basically Social Security is a forced loan to the government

Special tax deals to specific companies is getting real socialist in my book. It’s influence over the means of production. Far more socialist than capitalist.

 

[Rustic]

Thought I would jump on the theme of the week.

In a couple other threads on socialism there is some disagreement on which countries are currently socialist. Some say Canada is, some say it is not for example.

So, in your view what counties in the world today are socialist countries.

Let’s see if we can come up with a list most agree on.


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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Have you ever had an original thought?


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OK here’s original thought for you, socialism sucks because it always has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it. If it was Worth a shit it would not have to be forced.

Millions of conservatives/Libertarians in this country what nothing to do with socialism… It does not require our participation. Why don’t you keep that shit to yourselves if it is so great?

Yet so many conservatives support these special tax deals for corporations. Now that is socialism they support.

Taxes and tax laws are not socialism

The US government has no ownership stake in production and distribution therefore the US government is socialist.

Social Security is not socialism it is the seizing of a sizable portion person's income for the government to use for whatever it wants then after one has stopped working the government gives the money it took back with a horrid return,

Basically Social Security is a forced loan to the government

Yep, All things socialist are corrupt

 

[dblack]

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

No, I am not kidding.

If everyone is living a "live and let live" lifestyle and nobody shares the same values anymore, are people really united?

Live and let live isn't a lifestyle. It's an attitude toward other people's lifestyles. It's respect (real respect, not the patronizing liberal horseshit) for diversity. Again, it's the only way a large, pluralistic society can last.

 

[Brain357]

Socialism is awesome!

Jorge Ramos says he and his crew were detained while interviewing Venezuela's Maduro

Dictators always suck.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

No, I am not kidding.

If everyone is living a "live and let live" lifestyle and nobody shares the same values anymore, are people really united?

Live and let live isn't a lifestyle. It's an attitude toward other people's lifestyles. It's respect (real respect, not the patronizing liberal horseshit) for diversity. Again, it's the only way a large, pluralistic society can last.

You are missing my point, I am not so sure that a large, pluralistic society can last, at least not for very long.

 

[Blues Man]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Have you ever had an original thought?


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OK here’s original thought for you, socialism sucks because it always has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it. If it was Worth a shit it would not have to be forced.

Millions of conservatives/Libertarians in this country what nothing to do with socialism… It does not require our participation. Why don’t you keep that shit to yourselves if it is so great?

Yet so many conservatives support these special tax deals for corporations. Now that is socialism they support.

Taxes and tax laws are not socialism

The US government has no ownership stake in production and distribution therefore the US government is socialist.

Social Security is not socialism it is the seizing of a sizable portion person's income for the government to use for whatever it wants then after one has stopped working the government gives the money it took back with a horrid return,

Basically Social Security is a forced loan to the government

Special tax deals to specific companies is getting real socialist in my book. It’s influence over the means of production. Far more socialist than capitalist.

Well when your book becomes the standard for the entire English speaking world let me know

 

[dblack]

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

No, I am not kidding.

If everyone is living a "live and let live" lifestyle and nobody shares the same values anymore, are people really united?

Live and let live isn't a lifestyle. It's an attitude toward other people's lifestyles. It's respect (real respect, not the patronizing liberal horseshit) for diversity. Again, it's the only way a large, pluralistic society can last.

You are missing my point, I am not so sure that a large, pluralistic society can last, at least not for very long.

And I'd agree it's not easy. I'm saying the only way it can be sustainable is with a common commitment to freedom. Without that, it turns into a mad scramble to control government. That's what we're in the midst of now. We let government get too powerful and now we're paying the price.

 

[Tehon]

Socialism is guaranteed income by the government. Socialism is healthcare for everyone that should work but don't. Socialism is free food for people that won't work but are able.

That is about as close as anyone has come to giving a definition, thanks for doing that.

Is it socialism to give farmers money not to plant crops?

That is about as close as anyone has come to defining socialism that agrees with the way you define it.

I am a socialist and that definition is miles from what I believe.

 

[Tehon]

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

No, I am not kidding.

If everyone is living a "live and let live" lifestyle and nobody shares the same values anymore, are people really united?

Live and let live isn't a lifestyle. It's an attitude toward other people's lifestyles. It's respect (real respect, not the patronizing liberal horseshit) for diversity. Again, it's the only way a large, pluralistic society can last.

You are missing my point, I am not so sure that a large, pluralistic society can last, at least not for very long.

And I'd agree it's not easy. I'm saying the only way it can be sustainable is with a common commitment to freedom. Without that, it turns into a mad scramble to control government. That's what we're in the midst of now. We let government get too powerful and now we're paying the price.

You didn't have a choice, it was made for you.

 

[BS Filter]

Are you kidding? Liberty is the only way a large, diverse population can stay united. When you have widely different, often conflicting, values in society - "live and let live" is the only sustainable approach. If you let one faction use government to force its will on the others, things disintegrate. That's what we're seeing now.

No, I am not kidding.

If everyone is living a "live and let live" lifestyle and nobody shares the same values anymore, are people really united?

Live and let live isn't a lifestyle. It's an attitude toward other people's lifestyles. It's respect (real respect, not the patronizing liberal horseshit) for diversity. Again, it's the only way a large, pluralistic society can last.

Yes, mutual respect is the goal. Sad to say it's the left that can't live and let live. If you don't go along with their agenda, you're a racist, bigoted, hateful, fat poopy pants.