South Carolina schools may teach gun safety and training

[WinterBorn]

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"Kochems said he considered the charge, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison, because Loughrey's gun was loaded when he put it in his truck moments before the gun fired on Dec. 8, killing his son, Craig. The boy had been buckling himself into his safety seat in his father's truck when the handgun, which was placed on the truck's console, fired as Joseph Loughrey got into the front seat, police said.

Loughrey had removed the magazine from the pistol but didn't realize there was still a round in the chamber when he tried to sell the 9mm pistol at Twig's Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, about 60 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, police said. When the sale didn't go through, Loughrey brought the gun back to the truck, where it accidentally fired."

Once again "Don't point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill or destroy" and "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded".

Again, he wasn't aiming at anything and didn't think it was loaded.

You do know that there is a difference between pointing and aiming?

The fact that he thought the gun was not loaded is a violation of one of the most basic safety rules.

 

[WinterBorn]

2.
"WARREN (WXYZ) - A 62-year-old building inspector for the city of Warren is recovering after he accidentally shot himself inside City Hall.

It happened Friday morning in a public bathroom stall as the inspector, who licensed to carry a concealed firearm, was returning his 45 caliber semi-automatic to its holster.

The bullet entered his hip and traveled down his leg. We're told two bullet fragments were lodged near his knee."

He had a round in the chamber and had the weapon cocked.

So, you're saying he shouldn't carry a loaded weapon?

I did not say that. Loaded is fine. But having a round in the chamber and the gun cocked is a violation of basic safety rules.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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"According to MSNBC, the source of the headline, earlier this week, a man in Alabama was carrying his Glock .40 handgun from the glove compartment of his car to his home when he tripped and accidentally discharged the weapon, wounding himself in the leg. When the man's wife and their young son hurried to his aid, the child got to the gun first and as the mother attempted to take the gun away from him, it discharged again, this time wounding the mother in the neck."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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"Kochems said he considered the charge, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison, because Loughrey's gun was loaded when he put it in his truck moments before the gun fired on Dec. 8, killing his son, Craig. The boy had been buckling himself into his safety seat in his father's truck when the handgun, which was placed on the truck's console, fired as Joseph Loughrey got into the front seat, police said.

Loughrey had removed the magazine from the pistol but didn't realize there was still a round in the chamber when he tried to sell the 9mm pistol at Twig's Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, about 60 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, police said. When the sale didn't go through, Loughrey brought the gun back to the truck, where it accidentally fired."

Once again "Don't point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill or destroy" and "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded".

Again, he wasn't aiming at anything and didn't think it was loaded.

You do know that there is a difference between pointing and aiming?

The fact that he thought the gun was not loaded is a violation of one of the most basic safety rules.

What was the violation of the guy who was checking to see if the gun was loaded?

 

[WinterBorn]

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"According to MSNBC, the source of the headline, earlier this week, a man in Alabama was carrying his Glock .40 handgun from the glove compartment of his car to his home when he tripped and accidentally discharged the weapon, wounding himself in the leg. When the man's wife and their young son hurried to his aid, the child got to the gun first and as the mother attempted to take the gun away from him, it discharged again, this time wounding the mother in the neck."

*sigh*

Loaded and had a round in the chamber. Plus, the Glock has a "safety" on the trigger. So a finger was on the trigger in both cases. If the child was holding the gun pointed at the mom, she shouldn't have pulled it away, but pushed it to the side so it wasn't pointed at her. How old was the kid?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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"WARREN (WXYZ) - A 62-year-old building inspector for the city of Warren is recovering after he accidentally shot himself inside City Hall.

It happened Friday morning in a public bathroom stall as the inspector, who licensed to carry a concealed firearm, was returning his 45 caliber semi-automatic to its holster.

The bullet entered his hip and traveled down his leg. We're told two bullet fragments were lodged near his knee."

He had a round in the chamber and had the weapon cocked.

So, you're saying he shouldn't carry a loaded weapon?

I did not say that. Loaded is fine. But having a round in the chamber and the gun cocked is a violation of basic safety rules.

How long shall we go on before you simply admit that accidents with guns will kill people?

 

[WinterBorn]

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"Kochems said he considered the charge, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison, because Loughrey's gun was loaded when he put it in his truck moments before the gun fired on Dec. 8, killing his son, Craig. The boy had been buckling himself into his safety seat in his father's truck when the handgun, which was placed on the truck's console, fired as Joseph Loughrey got into the front seat, police said.

Loughrey had removed the magazine from the pistol but didn't realize there was still a round in the chamber when he tried to sell the 9mm pistol at Twig's Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, about 60 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, police said. When the sale didn't go through, Loughrey brought the gun back to the truck, where it accidentally fired."

Once again "Don't point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill or destroy" and "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded".

Again, he wasn't aiming at anything and didn't think it was loaded.

You do know that there is a difference between pointing and aiming?

The fact that he thought the gun was not loaded is a violation of one of the most basic safety rules.

What was the violation of the guy who was checking to see if the gun was loaded?

He was pointing the gun at something he didn't intend to shoot.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And what rule fixes this?

"Remington will replace millions of Model 700 rifle triggers.
America's oldest gun manufacturer, Remington, has agreed to replace millions of triggers in its most popular product—the Model 700 rifle. The company has been riddled for years with claims the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled, often with deadly results.

A 2010 CNBC documentary, "Remington Under Fire: A CNBC Investigation," explored allegations that for decades the company covered up a design defect, which Remington continues to deny. But now, under a nationwide settlement filed Friday in a federal court in Missouri, the company is agreeing to replace the triggers in about 7.85 million rifles."

 

[WinterBorn]

2.
"WARREN (WXYZ) - A 62-year-old building inspector for the city of Warren is recovering after he accidentally shot himself inside City Hall.

It happened Friday morning in a public bathroom stall as the inspector, who licensed to carry a concealed firearm, was returning his 45 caliber semi-automatic to its holster.

The bullet entered his hip and traveled down his leg. We're told two bullet fragments were lodged near his knee."

He had a round in the chamber and had the weapon cocked.

So, you're saying he shouldn't carry a loaded weapon?

I did not say that. Loaded is fine. But having a round in the chamber and the gun cocked is a violation of basic safety rules.

How long shall we go on before you simply admit that accidents with guns will kill people?

How long will you keep trying before you admit that strict adherence to gun safety will prevent them?

You haven't offered one single situation that did not involve a violation of basic gun safety rules.

And since you have offered 15 or 20 examples, but not one that following safety rules wouldn't have prevented, you have shown the need for gun safety classes. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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"Kochems said he considered the charge, a misdemeanor punishable by up to five years in prison, because Loughrey's gun was loaded when he put it in his truck moments before the gun fired on Dec. 8, killing his son, Craig. The boy had been buckling himself into his safety seat in his father's truck when the handgun, which was placed on the truck's console, fired as Joseph Loughrey got into the front seat, police said.

Loughrey had removed the magazine from the pistol but didn't realize there was still a round in the chamber when he tried to sell the 9mm pistol at Twig's Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, about 60 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, police said. When the sale didn't go through, Loughrey brought the gun back to the truck, where it accidentally fired."

Once again "Don't point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill or destroy" and "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded".

Again, he wasn't aiming at anything and didn't think it was loaded.

You do know that there is a difference between pointing and aiming?

The fact that he thought the gun was not loaded is a violation of one of the most basic safety rules.

What was the violation of the guy who was checking to see if the gun was loaded?

He was pointing the gun at something he didn't intend to shoot.

Yeah, his hand while checking to see it it was loaded.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Or this:

 

[WinterBorn]

And what rule fixes this?

"Remington will replace millions of Model 700 rifle triggers.
America's oldest gun manufacturer, Remington, has agreed to replace millions of triggers in its most popular product—the Model 700 rifle. The company has been riddled for years with claims the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled, often with deadly results.

A 2010 CNBC documentary, "Remington Under Fire: A CNBC Investigation," explored allegations that for decades the company covered up a design defect, which Remington continues to deny. But now, under a nationwide settlement filed Friday in a federal court in Missouri, the company is agreeing to replace the triggers in about 7.85 million rifles."

Really? How many times do I have to say it? Don't point the gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.

I had a friend with one of those 700s that fired without pulling the trigger. Since he never put a round in the chamber until he was ready to shoot and always kept the gun pointed in a safe direction, there was no injury or death. He replaced the gun.

 

[zeke]

Forgetting that there is a live round in the gun is not a problem if you follow the safety rules and always assume the gun is loaded.

You know what, you can make all the safe gun rules you want. What you can't do is fix the stupidity of some people who are able and willing to own guns. Some will be safe, some won't. Depends on the level of fear that particular individual has. And their age.

Accidental deaths are just something that must be endured when you have a guaranteed right to own guns.
Cause you just can't fix the stupid gun owner. No laws will do it. No amount of training will do it. Only having one of your kids shoot themselves or someone else will do it. And that's not a sure thing.

Have you ever noticed that it is not usually the seasoned hunter that has the tragedy of an accidental death. It is usually those that only have a gun for personal protection. Why is that?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

2.
"WARREN (WXYZ) - A 62-year-old building inspector for the city of Warren is recovering after he accidentally shot himself inside City Hall.

It happened Friday morning in a public bathroom stall as the inspector, who licensed to carry a concealed firearm, was returning his 45 caliber semi-automatic to its holster.

The bullet entered his hip and traveled down his leg. We're told two bullet fragments were lodged near his knee."

He had a round in the chamber and had the weapon cocked.

So, you're saying he shouldn't carry a loaded weapon?

I did not say that. Loaded is fine. But having a round in the chamber and the gun cocked is a violation of basic safety rules.

How long shall we go on before you simply admit that accidents with guns will kill people?

How long will you keep trying before you admit that strict adherence to gun safety will prevent them?

Forever, because that will not fix the issue. Reality says even when the rules are followed people will die because accidents happen, just like in cars or any other thing humans are involved with.

 

[WinterBorn]

Once again "Don't point the gun at anything you don't intend to kill or destroy" and "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded".

Again, he wasn't aiming at anything and didn't think it was loaded.

You do know that there is a difference between pointing and aiming?

The fact that he thought the gun was not loaded is a violation of one of the most basic safety rules.

What was the violation of the guy who was checking to see if the gun was loaded?

He was pointing the gun at something he didn't intend to shoot.

Yeah, his hand while checking to see it it was loaded.

His hand was in front of the barrel? So it was pointing at his hand, and then someone else beyond that.


Never point a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot.

 

[WinterBorn]

Or this:

If the gun is pointed in a safe direction when it is loaded and has a roundin the chamber, no one will be injured or killed.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Or this:

If the gun is pointed in a safe direction when it is loaded and has a roundin the chamber, no one will be injured or killed.

So, you're okay with a gun that fires without the trigger being pulled?

 

[WinterBorn]

Forgetting that there is a live round in the gun is not a problem if you follow the safety rules and always assume the gun is loaded.

You know what, you can make all the safe gun rules you want. What you can't do is fix the stupidity of some people who are able and willing to own guns. Some will be safe, some won't. Depends on the level of fear that particular individual has. And their age.

Accidental deaths are just something that must be endured when you have a guaranteed right to own guns.
Cause you just can't fix the stupid gun owner. No laws will do it. No amount of training will do it. Only having one of your kids shoot themselves or someone else will do it. And that's not a sure thing.

Have you ever noticed that it is not usually the seasoned hunter that has the tragedy of an accidental death. It is usually those that only have a gun for personal protection. Why is that?

In my experience hunters are more safety conscious than most people.

If someone does something stupid, then accidents will happen. What is being discussed here is my claim that if people followed the basic gun safety rules the accidental shooting deaths could be eliminated. PMH disagrees and is searching the internet for an example of a shooting death that could not have been prevented by following the safety rules.

So far he is about 0 for 20.

 

[WinterBorn]

Or this:

If the gun is pointed in a safe direction when it is loaded and has a roundin the chamber, no one will be injured or killed.

So, you're okay with a gun that fires without the trigger being pulled?

What? Where did you get any inkling that I am ok with a gun that fires without the trigger being pulled? Hell no. That gun would be scrapped.

What I did say was that, if someone was following basic gun safety rules, it would not kill or injure anyone.

 

[zeke]

What is being discussed here is my claim that if people followed the basic gun safety rules the accidental shooting deaths could be eliminated.

That sounds true. The problem you have is HOW to make stupid people who have guns FOLLOW those basic safety rules. How do you do that and not infringe on their rights to own guns on their terms?