Special forces ordered to stand down in Benghazi?

[Procrustes Stretched]

You left out the source of your quote.

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

Nothing is that simple : BLackhawk down

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

And Obama had a crystal ball that let him know those numbers in advance, right?

And, Obama didn't give the "stand down" order - you all keep accusing him but keep coming up empty each time!

According to the official story Obama gave the order to use whatever means necessary to keep everyone alive. Despite this order, the military was ordered to stand down, and the State Department refused to send FEST, yet Obama is not concerned that his orders were disobeyed.

Why is that?

President Obama did not do what others are saying he did? The military was told to stand down? By who, the military?

 

[bripat9643]

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

Nothing is that simple : BLackhawk down

That was another Benghazi style fuck up. The forces on the ground asked for equipment like tanks and armored cars, and the Clinton administration denied them. It doesn't prove your point. On the contrary, it shows that you're a moron.

 

[bripat9643]

And, Obama didn't give the "stand down" order - you all keep accusing him but keep coming up empty each time!

According to the official story Obama gave the order to use whatever means necessary to keep everyone alive. Despite this order, the military was ordered to stand down, and the State Department refused to send FEST, yet Obama is not concerned that his orders were disobeyed.

Why is that?

President Obama did not do what others are saying he did? The military was told to stand down? By who, the military?

I suspect it was Obama who gave the order. That's why we have this cover up.

 

[bripat9643]

You left out the source of your quote.

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

The combat radius of an F-16 is 340 miles, so without tanker support Benghazi was out of range if the closest ones were in Italy. However, I think the have C-130 specter gunships in the region. Those have a very large combat radius, but they may have taken much longer to arrive. It's hard to say what was possible unless you know the disposition of all forces in the area.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And, Obama didn't give the "stand down" order - you all keep accusing him but keep coming up empty each time!

According to the official story Obama gave the order to use whatever means necessary to keep everyone alive. Despite this order, the military was ordered to stand down, and the State Department refused to send FEST, yet Obama is not concerned that his orders were disobeyed.

Why is that?

A wise leader lets the people in charge of those operations make the decisions. He trusted that they knew what they were doing and based on the evidence that has been presented, it has not been proven that they were wrong.

No, that is what an idiotic leader does, a wise leader leads.

How do know they have not been proven wrong when the very people who said that everyone above a certain pay grade were innocent are currently being investigated?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

Nothing is that simple : BLackhawk down

The US has an Air Force base in Italy.

The flight time between Tripoli and Benghazi is one hour.

Believe it or not, Blackhawks are not F-16s.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And, Obama didn't give the "stand down" order - you all keep accusing him but keep coming up empty each time!

According to the official story Obama gave the order to use whatever means necessary to keep everyone alive. Despite this order, the military was ordered to stand down, and the State Department refused to send FEST, yet Obama is not concerned that his orders were disobeyed.

Why is that?

President Obama did not do what others are saying he did? The military was told to stand down? By who, the military?

Do you know who is in charge of the military? Do you understand that when the president of the United States orders the military to use all available resources they don't tell people to stand down because they don't have permission because, ultimately, they actually do?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

The combat radius of an F-16 is 340 miles, so without tanker support Benghazi was out of range if the closest ones were in Italy. However, I think the have C-130 specter gunships in the region. Those have a very large combat radius, but they may have taken much longer to arrive. It's hard to say what was possible unless you know the disposition of all forces in the area.

If they replace the bombs with drop tanks, and top the fighter off after it takes off from the base, they could have put a fighter over Behgahzi and got it back to Italy. It wouldn't have been very effective at hitting any targets, but they are very effective at scaring people on the ground.

The USAF uses them to fly low and make a visual impact a lot more than they use them to actually drop bombs since we invaded Iraq.

 

[bripat9643]

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

The combat radius of an F-16 is 340 miles, so without tanker support Benghazi was out of range if the closest ones were in Italy. However, I think the have C-130 specter gunships in the region. Those have a very large combat radius, but they may have taken much longer to arrive. It's hard to say what was possible unless you know the disposition of all forces in the area.

If they replace the bombs with drop tanks, and top the fighter off after it takes off from the base, they could have put a fighter over Behgahzi and got it back to Italy. It wouldn't have been very effective at hitting any targets, but they are very effective at scaring people on the ground.

The USAF uses them to fly low and make a visual impact a lot more than they use them to actually drop bombs since we invaded Iraq.

Yes, it has a much larger range with drop tanks, and it still has a 20 mm canon it can use to strafe ground targets with. In fact, that probably would have been the only useful weapon in such a scenario.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The combat radius of an F-16 is 340 miles, so without tanker support Benghazi was out of range if the closest ones were in Italy. However, I think the have C-130 specter gunships in the region. Those have a very large combat radius, but they may have taken much longer to arrive. It's hard to say what was possible unless you know the disposition of all forces in the area.

If they replace the bombs with drop tanks, and top the fighter off after it takes off from the base, they could have put a fighter over Behgahzi and got it back to Italy. It wouldn't have been very effective at hitting any targets, but they are very effective at scaring people on the ground.

The USAF uses them to fly low and make a visual impact a lot more than they use them to actually drop bombs since we invaded Iraq.

Yes, it has a much larger range with drop tanks, and it still has a 20 mm canon it can use to strafe ground targets with. In fact, that probably would have been the only useful weapon in such a scenario.

The fear factor from having a fighter overhead with laser guided bombs is pretty effective.

 

[Darkwind]

You people do realize that only the President can order a stand down when our people are being attacked?

 

[Claudette]

All Barry had to do was pick up the phone and call Libya. They would have given him permission to allow our guys to go to Benghazi. Instead someone took all night to get permission. The Spec Ops guys missed the flight. By the time the got permission the attack was over.

Barry and a phone call. Not to hard unless your Barry that is.

 

[depotoo]

You left out the source of your quote.

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Or, just a thought, the source is trying to discredit him because of personal or professional prejudices.

the group that put that info out is owned by the Washington Post. I don't believe it for one second.

 

[Oldstyle]

Is Hicks a classic case of underachiever who whines when big breaks don't come his way?

Is it true he has been in the FS for 22 years as an FSO and he is still only an FS-1 (COL equivalent)?

Did Hicks make uninformed comments about F-16s?

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

Nothing is that simple : BLackhawk down

You just totally ducked my question. Do you or do you not believe that the United States of America could not put an F-16 over Benghazi from somewhere in the Middle East in a space of seven hours? It's actually a VERY simple question.

 

[depotoo]

Are you really buying the story that we couldn't put an F-16 over Benghazi in a space of SEVEN HOURS? It that your contention, Dante? Yes or no?

Nothing is that simple : BLackhawk down

You just totally ducked my question. Do you or do you not believe that the United States of America could not put an F-16 over Benghazi from somewhere in the Middle East in a space of seven hours? It's actually a VERY simple question.

that c-130 alone could have made it in just over an hour from Tripoli, as it had already been there and back before the second attack even occurred.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I guess I should not be surprised there are umpteen topics on this already. And I expect there will be umpteen more.

The second rescue team was awaiting permission from the Libyan government to fly the C-130 in their airspace. That was the cause of the delay. The "stand down" order never existed. A stand down order, for those of you who are completely ignorant of all things military, means to stop all preparations and return to base and go back to sleep or whatever it was you were doing.

This was not a stand down order. It was a stand BY order. They were awaiting permission. They were not told to stand down. The "stand down" myth was created by Fox News and perpetuated by politicians who don't know shit from shinola when it comes to the military.

The stand by order came from their MILITARY superiors.

It was a State Department official who worked all night to finally get permission from the Libyans.

By the time they were allowed to leave, the second and last attack had already occurred.

Four people died. The ambassador and a computer information officer at the consulate in Benghazi during the first attack. Then two members of the first rescue team during the second attack which occurred at the annex seven and a half hours later.

^ Obama Golden Knee Pad with Oak Leaf Cluster

 

[depotoo]

Dante - F16 speed at mach 2 - Speed: 1,500 mph (Mach 2 at altitude)

Just flying a commercial flight from AFRICOM -

Distance from Benghazi to Stuttgart is:

1267.9 Miles

( 2040.5 Kilometers / 1101.1 Nautical Miles )

Approximate flight duration time from Benghazi to Stuttgart is:
2 hrs, 38 mins

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Who gave the order?

No one was told to stand down. The second rescue team was told to stand by. They had to wait for permission from the Libyans to fly their C-130 in Libyan airpace and that took time.

The "stand down" myth was started by Fox News and is perpetuated by politicians who don't know shit from shinola about the military and who like to sneak that "stand down order" into soundbites. You can tell this by reading the testimony.

The order to stand by was given by their military superiors until permission could be gained from the Libyans.

A State Department official worked all night to get that permission. By the time he got it, it was too late. By the time the second rescue team left, the second attack had occured and two people from the first rescue team had been killed.

You might want to read the OP

That's not what it says

 

[jon_berzerk]

Who gave the order?

No one was told to stand down. The second rescue team was told to stand by. They had to wait for permission from the Libyans to fly their C-130 in Libyan airpace and that took time.

The "stand down" myth was started by Fox News and is perpetuated by politicians who don't know shit from shinola about the military and who like to sneak that "stand down order" into soundbites. You can tell this by reading the testimony.

The order to stand by was given by their military superiors until permission could be gained from the Libyans.

A State Department official worked all night to get that permission. By the time he got it, it was too late. By the time the second rescue team left, the second attack had occured and two people from the first rescue team had been killed.

You might want to read the OP

That's not what it says

"stand by"

--LOL

sure