START on its way to ratification

[DiveCon]

Trajan, you made the charge; it did not have to be either declarative or interrogative. It merely had to be made, which you did. Now, when RW asked a question, you wanted him to provide proof.

The far right reactionaries try this all the time: make a stupid statement, get called on it, then demand the caller to provide evidence to refute the original assertion. This is an automatic loss when the asserter makes the call for evidence to refute that which he had not provided.

RW has nailed your balls to the wall, Trajan.

^^^^^^^and there is the pathetic "dance of false victory"

 

[JakeStarkey]

Amazing with republicans stonewalling this treaty for 8 months that 12 eventually voted for START

The larger question is what the fuck is wrong with the 29 who voted against it??

no, what amazing is despite me and other folks posting their objections explaining it, even if you don't agree with them you have not rebutted the issues once at least to me that I can remember, yet feel free to just keep on asking whats wrong with people who didn't vote for it. if you don't want an answer then don't ask for one, because thats the way it seems.

Fail. Your assertions are not explanations. Now show where the Dems were responsible for not bringing the bill to the floor. You made a charge, now support it.

 

[loosecannon]

Ronald Reagan, GWB, George Bush 41, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, JFK and Johnson all sigh a deep breath of relief after the passage of a treaty that they all share complete agreement over.

The entire US military salutes as well.

Only brain dead people would place stupid partisanship above our national security, and above global reduction of nuclear arsenals.

 

[rightwinger]

amazing with republicans stonewalling this treaty for 8 months that 12 eventually voted for start

the larger question is what the fuck is wrong with the 29 who voted against it??

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trajan, you made the charge; it did not have to be either declarative or interrogative. It merely had to be made, which you did. Now, when RW asked a question, you wanted him to provide proof.

The far right reactionaries try this all the time: make a stupid statement, get called on it, then demand the caller to provide evidence to refute the original assertion. This is an automatic loss when the asserter makes the call for evidence to refute that which he had not provided.

RW has nailed your balls to the wall, Trajan.

^^^^^^^and there is the pathetic "dance of false victory"

(speaking softly to the child mind) You are expressing your denial of reality, divecon.

 

[JakeStarkey]

amazing with republicans stonewalling this treaty for 8 months that 12 eventually voted for start

the larger question is what the fuck is wrong with the 29 who voted against it??

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

What gets me is our party won a smashing victory last month, and now BHO and the dem leadership backed the GOP leaders into a corner, bitch slapped them, and they all caved!

 

[rightwinger]

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

What gets me is our party won a smashing victory last month, and now BHO and the dem leadership backed the GOP leaders into a corner, bitch slapped them, and they all caved!

The Republicans were only interested in one thing....Tax cuts for the wealthy

Once they got that, they were willing to put aside their objections on every other piece of legislation

 

[The T]

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

What gets me is our party won a smashing victory last month, and now BHO and the dem leadership backed the GOP leaders into a corner, bitch slapped them, and they all caved!

They have backed NO ONE into a corner Fakey NOR bitch slapped ANYONE.

The only one around here that gets bitch-slapped around here regularly is *YOU*...and rightfully so.

 

[DiveCon]

amazing with republicans stonewalling this treaty for 8 months that 12 eventually voted for start

the larger question is what the fuck is wrong with the 29 who voted against it??

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

no proof

 

[Trajan]

amazing with republicans stonewalling this treaty for 8 months that 12 eventually voted for start

the larger question is what the fuck is wrong with the 29 who voted against it??

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

thank you for answering.

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

the reps are in the minority, they cannot 'hold' a bill in comm. its voted up or down by the comm. which is majority dem and then if approved passed out to the leadership who then can call for a a discussion if they choose to, have to let it be read on the floorr is requested , then a cloture vote to clsoe debate so they can have the full vote. They may have "demanded" but they could not stop them.

heres a blurb for you;


Sep 16, 2010
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval

Here's the report on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's action on the New START Treaty. The story is by Desmond Butler of the Associated Press.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate panel endorsed a major arms control treaty with Russia Thursday, advancing one of President Barack Obama's top foreign policy goals.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved the New START treaty in a 14-4 vote. Three Republicans voted with Democrats -- a sign that Obama may get the votes needed for final passage. But it remains unclear whether the full Senate will consider the treaty this year.

heres the payoff pitch-

Democrats had delayed a committee vote on the treaty as they sought broader support from Republicans. They will need at least eight Republican votes on the Senate floor to have the two-thirds majority needed for ratification.

more at-
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval | Frank Munger's Atomic City Underground | knoxnews.com

 

[DiveCon]

proof?

maybe you will actually provide the proof that jokey is incapable of

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

thank you for answering.

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

the reps are in the minority, they cannot 'hold' a bill in comm. its voted up or down by the comm. which is majority dem and then if approved passed out to the leadership who then can call for a a discussion if they choose to, have to let it be read on the floorr is requested , then a cloture vote to clsoe debate so they can have the full vote. They may have "demanded" but they could not stop them.

heres a blurb for you;


Sep 16, 2010
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval

Here's the report on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's action on the New START Treaty. The story is by Desmond Butler of the Associated Press.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate panel endorsed a major arms control treaty with Russia Thursday, advancing one of President Barack Obama's top foreign policy goals.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved the New START treaty in a 14-4 vote. Three Republicans voted with Democrats -- a sign that Obama may get the votes needed for final passage. But it remains unclear whether the full Senate will consider the treaty this year.

heres the payoff pitch-

Democrats had delayed a committee vote on the treaty as they sought broader support from Republicans. They will need at least eight Republican votes on the Senate floor to have the two-thirds majority needed for ratification.

more at-
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval | Frank Munger's Atomic City Underground | knoxnews.com

that story is from Sept

 

[Trajan]

Obama reached agreement on START last April

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

In September, they demanded that they would not support a vote until after mid-term elections in November

After the November elections they insisted they would not agree to deal with any legislation until the tax cuts were approved

After the tax cuts were approved, the GOP whined that their Christmas vacation was being impacted.

thank you for answering.

Republicans held it in comittee all summer and demanded no vote be held till after the summer recess in August

the reps are in the minority, they cannot 'hold' a bill in comm. its voted up or down by the comm. which is majority dem and then if approved passed out to the leadership who then can call for a a discussion if they choose to, have to let it be read on the floorr is requested , then a cloture vote to clsoe debate so they can have the full vote. They may have "demanded" but they could not stop them.

heres a blurb for you;


Sep 16, 2010
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval

Here's the report on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's action on the New START Treaty. The story is by Desmond Butler of the Associated Press.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate panel endorsed a major arms control treaty with Russia Thursday, advancing one of President Barack Obama's top foreign policy goals.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved the New START treaty in a 14-4 vote. Three Republicans voted with Democrats -- a sign that Obama may get the votes needed for final passage. But it remains unclear whether the full Senate will consider the treaty this year.

heres the payoff pitch-

Democrats had delayed a committee vote on the treaty as they sought broader support from Republicans. They will need at least eight Republican votes on the Senate floor to have the two-thirds majority needed for ratification.

more at-
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval | Frank Munger's Atomic City Underground | knoxnews.com

that story is from Sept

exactly....that puts to bed RWs contention that anything was held by reps....it cannot be held AND that the DEMS themselves held the treaty back from a comm. vote looking for more sppt. not that they could not have passed it out, they just wanted to run the clock out while hoping for a lame duck push, when those 3 signed on they said hey we are on a roll, and they were.

Committee Members
Majority
Christopher J. Dodd
Russell D. Feingold
Barbara Boxer
Robert Menendez
Benjamin L. Cardin
Robert P. Casey Jr
Jim Webb
Jeanne Shaheen
Kirsten E. Gillibrand
Christopher Coons


Minority
Bob Corker
Johnny Isakson
James E. Risch
Jim DeMint
John Barrasso
Roger F. Wicker
James M. Inhofe


http://foreign.senate.gov/

Trajan, you are clever, dwarf, not tall. The Pubs held it up for 8 months. Hello?

I'll expect an apology from jake too...jake?

 

[zeitgeist2012]

Glenn Beck has been talking about this stuff on his TV program, and I'm surprised that the liberal-progressives-communist-fascists have not got to him yet or pulled his plug....

Here is the evil that we as Americans are facing over-all...It is called Trans Nationalism...

Use internationalism in a sentence | internationalism sentence examples

Nationalism vs Internationalism – Uncovering the Judas Goats | The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD

Pamela Geller on Barack Obama?s Americanism - The Daily Beast

TREASON 101: ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY PROMOTES THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Beware of the unholy North American Union

 

[DiveCon]

thank you for answering.



the reps are in the minority, they cannot 'hold' a bill in comm. its voted up or down by the comm. which is majority dem and then if approved passed out to the leadership who then can call for a a discussion if they choose to, have to let it be read on the floorr is requested , then a cloture vote to clsoe debate so they can have the full vote. They may have "demanded" but they could not stop them.

heres a blurb for you;


Sep 16, 2010
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval

Here's the report on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's action on the New START Treaty. The story is by Desmond Butler of the Associated Press.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate panel endorsed a major arms control treaty with Russia Thursday, advancing one of President Barack Obama's top foreign policy goals.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved the New START treaty in a 14-4 vote. Three Republicans voted with Democrats -- a sign that Obama may get the votes needed for final passage. But it remains unclear whether the full Senate will consider the treaty this year.

heres the payoff pitch-

Democrats had delayed a committee vote on the treaty as they sought broader support from Republicans. They will need at least eight Republican votes on the Senate floor to have the two-thirds majority needed for ratification.

more at-
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval | Frank Munger's Atomic City Underground | knoxnews.com

that story is from Sept

exactly....that puts to bed RWs contention that anything was held by reps....it cannot be held AND that the DEMS themselves held the treaty back from a comm. vote looking for more sppt. not that they could not have passed it out, they just wanted to run the clock out while hoping for a lame duck push, when those 3 signed on they said hey we are on a roll, and they were.

Committee Members
Majority
Christopher J. Dodd
Russell D. Feingold
Barbara Boxer
Robert Menendez
Benjamin L. Cardin
Robert P. Casey Jr
Jim Webb
Jeanne Shaheen
Kirsten E. Gillibrand
Christopher Coons


Minority
Bob Corker
Johnny Isakson
James E. Risch
Jim DeMint
John Barrasso
Roger F. Wicker
James M. Inhofe


US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations: Home

Trajan, you are clever, dwarf, not tall. The Pubs held it up for 8 months. Hello?

I'll expect an apology from jake too...jake?

dont hold your breath waiting on jokey to admit he was wrong

 

[zeitgeist2012]

The Russions are still Russians...Mass murder Inc...

CRIA » Russia’s Pragmatic Reimperialization

International Burn-a-Quran Day: A Test for Freedom, Tolerance and Responsibility | Pak Tea House

http://jon.werberg.net/thesis/werberg2003.pdf

Liberal Internationalism: The Twilight of a Dream | Via Meadia

Robert M. McDowell: The FCC's Threat to Internet Freedom - WSJ.com

Venezuelan lawmakers grant Chavez power to pass laws by decree - CNN.com

 

[rightwinger]

thank you for answering.



the reps are in the minority, they cannot 'hold' a bill in comm. its voted up or down by the comm. which is majority dem and then if approved passed out to the leadership who then can call for a a discussion if they choose to, have to let it be read on the floorr is requested , then a cloture vote to clsoe debate so they can have the full vote. They may have "demanded" but they could not stop them.

heres a blurb for you;


Sep 16, 2010
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval

Here's the report on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's action on the New START Treaty. The story is by Desmond Butler of the Associated Press.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Senate panel endorsed a major arms control treaty with Russia Thursday, advancing one of President Barack Obama's top foreign policy goals.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved the New START treaty in a 14-4 vote. Three Republicans voted with Democrats -- a sign that Obama may get the votes needed for final passage. But it remains unclear whether the full Senate will consider the treaty this year.

heres the payoff pitch-

Democrats had delayed a committee vote on the treaty as they sought broader support from Republicans. They will need at least eight Republican votes on the Senate floor to have the two-thirds majority needed for ratification.

more at-
Senate committee OKs New START, 14-4; Corker votes for approval | Frank Munger's Atomic City Underground | knoxnews.com

that story is from Sept

exactly....that puts to bed RWs contention that anything was held by reps....it cannot be held AND that the DEMS themselves held the treaty back from a comm. vote looking for more sppt. not that they could not have passed it out, they just wanted to run the clock out while hoping for a lame duck push, when those 3 signed on they said hey we are on a roll, and they were.

Committee Members
Majority
Christopher J. Dodd
Russell D. Feingold
Barbara Boxer
Robert Menendez
Benjamin L. Cardin
Robert P. Casey Jr
Jim Webb
Jeanne Shaheen
Kirsten E. Gillibrand
Christopher Coons


Minority
Bob Corker
Johnny Isakson
James E. Risch
Jim DeMint
John Barrasso
Roger F. Wicker
James M. Inhofe


US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations: Home

Trajan, you are clever, dwarf, not tall. The Pubs held it up for 8 months. Hello?

I'll expect an apology from jake too...jake?

Republicans still held all the cards here. With 2/3 needed for ratification, the moderate Republicans held back their support.

Another example of the GOP willing to fuck the country for their own political gain

 

[Jroc]

The Senators voting for this treaty should be vigilant to resist any further erosion of our sovereign right to self-defense.

The first order of business will be to ensure that President Barack Obama follows through on the promises he made in his letter to the Senate to fully develop a U.S. missile defense system in Europe. Senators should also monitor any new rounds of nuclear and defense arms negotiations with Russia to make sure they do not repeat the mistakes of New START. Already there are troubling reports of negotiations about further U.S. reductions of launchers and warheads. With the rise of China and other nuclear states, the U.S. should not undertake any further nuclear reductions that would favor Russia as strongly as New START does or would increase U.S. vulnerability to those that possess nuclear weapons now or in the future.
Unfortunately, further undoing the viability of our nuclear arsenal appears to be exactly what is next on the foreign policy agenda. The New York Times reports today that the White House plans to press ahead with President Obama’s campaign promise to bring the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) up for another vote. President Bill Clinton first brought the CTBT to the Senate in 1999, where it fell more than 15 votes short of ratification. The Senate rejected ratification in 1999 for good reasons, and the ratification of New START only makes those reasons more pertinent today. The effectiveness of the U.S. nuclear deterrence posture has declined in recent years through atrophy within the weapons complex, and the United States has no margin for error. Ratification of the CTBT, on top of New START, would be nothing less than gambling with the survival of the United States.

The Obama Administration will certainly take even more unilateral steps toward nuclear disarmament. Their combined nonproliferation and nuclear disarmament policy is now clear: The policy requires that the U.S. take an additional unilateral step toward nuclear disarmament in order to prove its good intentions in response to each additional adverse development in the realm of nonproliferation. This misguided policy will significantly increase the likelihood of the use of nuclear weapons against both the U.S. and its allies.

Morning Bell: Merry Christmas, Moscow | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

I do not see any of the crooks in gov't stopping anything that they have set in motion to bring down our Country....

 

[The T]

that story is from Sept

exactly....that puts to bed RWs contention that anything was held by reps....it cannot be held AND that the DEMS themselves held the treaty back from a comm. vote looking for more sppt. not that they could not have passed it out, they just wanted to run the clock out while hoping for a lame duck push, when those 3 signed on they said hey we are on a roll, and they were.

Committee Members
Majority
Christopher J. Dodd
Russell D. Feingold
Barbara Boxer
Robert Menendez
Benjamin L. Cardin
Robert P. Casey Jr
Jim Webb
Jeanne Shaheen
Kirsten E. Gillibrand
Christopher Coons


Minority
Bob Corker
Johnny Isakson
James E. Risch
Jim DeMint
John Barrasso
Roger F. Wicker
James M. Inhofe


US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations: Home

Trajan, you are clever, dwarf, not tall. The Pubs held it up for 8 months. Hello?

I'll expect an apology from jake too...jake?

Republicans still held all the cards here. With 2/3 needed for ratification, the moderate Republicans held back their support.

Another example of the GOP willing to fuck the country for their own political gain

See the problem here? RINOS.

Unprincipled idiots.

THAT will change or WE will fire thier asses too.

 

[DiveCon]

that story is from Sept

exactly....that puts to bed RWs contention that anything was held by reps....it cannot be held AND that the DEMS themselves held the treaty back from a comm. vote looking for more sppt. not that they could not have passed it out, they just wanted to run the clock out while hoping for a lame duck push, when those 3 signed on they said hey we are on a roll, and they were.

Committee Members
Majority
Christopher J. Dodd
Russell D. Feingold
Barbara Boxer
Robert Menendez
Benjamin L. Cardin
Robert P. Casey Jr
Jim Webb
Jeanne Shaheen
Kirsten E. Gillibrand
Christopher Coons


Minority
Bob Corker
Johnny Isakson
James E. Risch
Jim DeMint
John Barrasso
Roger F. Wicker
James M. Inhofe


US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations: Home

Trajan, you are clever, dwarf, not tall. The Pubs held it up for 8 months. Hello?

I'll expect an apology from jake too...jake?

Republicans still held all the cards here. With 2/3 needed for ratification, the moderate Republicans held back their support.

Another example of the GOP willing to fuck the country for their own political gain

please provide proof it was ever brought up for a vote and that they blocked it