Starting This Week, It’s Harder to Get an Abortion in 5 States

Zimmerman is on trial for killing Martin.

So how's this for a crazy idea.

Just let him go and mind your own business.

If you're going to ignore killing, then ignore killing for everyone.

Fetuses aren't people.

Not in the law, not in science, not even in the Bible.
Since it is Independence Day, let me remind you of something in the Declaration of Independence,
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
The moment a fetus is aborted, it has been denied the unalienable right of life.

The argument is that until they can survive on their own, they are not considered men. They are a cluster of cells.

Anti choice people are always exaggerating the growth of these clusters of cells to attempt to make some vapid point, like you just attempted.
 
The Truth about the Abortion Industry | Abortion, American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ

"According to Planned Parenthood’s own apologist, Media Matters, its “total revenue from abortion services was approximately $164,154,000,” a year. Accordingly, over 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income comes from abortion.

In addition to its $320.1 million in clinic income and $223.8 million in private donations, Planned Parenthood receives $487.4 million dollars a year from taxpayers. And that number is drastically increasing. Taxpayer funding for the abortion giant has more than doubled in the last decade.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America, taking in nearly half a billion dollars of taxpayer money as it systematically ends the lives of nearly 330,000 babies a year"





Abortions are horrible things. And Doctors who perform them make millions. If abortions were oil you'd be screaming at the millions that doctors and pharmaceutical companies make in response to birth control. It's a major money making industry that is being abused.

Do you have a link that supports your allegation?

There are approximately 1 million abortions per year and in 2008 there were just under 1800 providers. According to the Guttmacher Institure the average cost of an abortion is about $370. This means that the average provider performs about 555 per year.

Do the math and it comes to a total gross income of just over $200k before expenses like rent, staff, equipment, insurance, etc, etc.

So please provide the link that shows proves "Doctors who perform them make millions".

Thank you.

We have a case here in Toledo, there is a missing toddler. The mother is in jail, they were living in squaller and one day the father comes to get the kids and finds out his youngest has gone missing. Of course it is that mother who did something but perhaps she should never have given birth.

Some people are not meant to be parents, they haven't got a clue. Cons don't want abortion and they don't want contreception. They hate women and obviously the poor little ones that they are forcing them to have.
 
How's this for a crazy idea.

If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

But otherwise, mind your own business.

I mean, isn't that like a crazy idea?

Zimmerman is on trial for killing Martin.

So how's this for a crazy idea.

Just let him go and mind your own business.

If you're going to ignore killing, then ignore killing for everyone.

That's been tried.

Didn't work out.
 
And just for fun I'll throw this out there.

"The United States has been and remains the single largest donor to family planning and reproductive health programs overseas, but according to its commitments at the ICPD and the large unmet need for services, the United States should be providing at least $1 billion annually in aid—about twice the level it is allocating now"

Facts and Consequences: Legality, Incidence and Safety of Abortion Worldwide

From the non bias (cough) Guttmacher Institute of promoting abortions.
 
Fetuses aren't people.

Not in the law, not in science, not even in the Bible.
Since it is Independence Day, let me remind you of something in the Declaration of Independence,
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
The moment a fetus is aborted, it has been denied the unalienable right of life.

The argument is that until they can survive on their own, they are not considered men. They are a cluster of cells.

Anti choice people are always exaggerating the growth of these clusters of cells to attempt to make some vapid point, like you just attempted.
and pro abortion people minimize this "cluster of cells" as if never will become anything but I'll guarantee you---if we killed all these clusters there would be no one left to worry about rights.
 
Doctors won't perform an abortion until 8 weeks. The fact is doctors won't abort until the cluster of cells becomes a baby.
 
The Truth about the Abortion Industry | Abortion, American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ

"According to Planned Parenthood’s own apologist, Media Matters, its “total revenue from abortion services was approximately $164,154,000,” a year. Accordingly, over 51 percent of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income comes from abortion.

In addition to its $320.1 million in clinic income and $223.8 million in private donations, Planned Parenthood receives $487.4 million dollars a year from taxpayers. And that number is drastically increasing. Taxpayer funding for the abortion giant has more than doubled in the last decade.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America, taking in nearly half a billion dollars of taxpayer money as it systematically ends the lives of nearly 330,000 babies a year"





Abortions are horrible things. And Doctors who perform them make millions. If abortions were oil you'd be screaming at the millions that doctors and pharmaceutical companies make in response to birth control. It's a major money making industry that is being abused.

Do you have a link that supports your allegation?

There are approximately 1 million abortions per year and in 2008 there were just under 1800 providers. According to the Guttmacher Institure the average cost of an abortion is about $370. This means that the average provider performs about 555 per year.

Do the math and it comes to a total gross income of just over $200k before expenses like rent, staff, equipment, insurance, etc, etc.

So please provide the link that shows proves "Doctors who perform them make millions".

Thank you.


Thank you for the link.

Unfortunately the math still doesn't make any sense.

According to your link PP performed 329,445 abortions. At an average cost of $370 each that only amounts to $121,894,650 in gross income. Given that PP operates 750 clinics nationwide that overages out to about $162,500 each. Even if you take the $164 million figure you still average out at less than $220,000 per clinic.

So you still haven't established that "Doctors who perform them make millions" yet.

Would you like to try again?
 
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Since you don't give a shit about babies being killed, I fail to understand why you give a shit about women having a botched abortion. Do explain why one person has more value than the other.

He still expects us to believe that having a doctor actually examine a woman seeking an abortion ahead of time is a bad idea... and that somehow going in flying blind is the better more safe option. In other words... Joe lives in bizarro world. :cuckoo:

Why would an "examination" be required?

The only thing you guys are trying to do is make the abortion more inconvient for the woman to have by making it more expensive.

This is going to create more Gosnell's not less.

To gather a patients medical history. To learn more about the following...

History of anemia
If you are having an ectopic pregnancy
Gestational age/Fetal anatomy
perform a Hematocrit/A blood test to determine presence of red blood cells
perform a Hemoglobin/test to determine red blood cells ability to oxygen to vital organs
determine Intrauterine environment
Psychosocial history
Real time imaging
Rh factor
presence of Rhesus immunoglobulin
Women who are Rh(-) must be offered Rhesus immunoglobulin administration.

And a host of other things..
 
Fetuses aren't people.

Not in the law, not in science, not even in the Bible.
Since it is Independence Day, let me remind you of something in the Declaration of Independence,
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
The moment a fetus is aborted, it has been denied the unalienable right of life.

The argument is that until they can survive on their own, they are not considered men. They are a cluster of cells.

Anti choice people are always exaggerating the growth of these clusters of cells to attempt to make some vapid point, like you just attempted.

How many infants and even toddlers can survive on their own? Infants cannot feed themselves, they cannot change their own diapers, they can't even run away from someone intending to harm them. Using your logic, Cass Sunstein and John Holdren are correct, abortion should be legal up until the child's second birthday.
 
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A fetus can't live outside the womb, therefore it has no right to life.

Well golly gee, let us follow that logic...........
A newborn can't survive outside the womb unless somebody takes care of it, therefore it has no right to life.
An 80 year old with severe Alzheimer's patient can't survive outside the womb unless somebody takes care of them, therefore it has no right to life.
Stephen Hawking can't survive outside the womb unless somebody takes care of him, therefore he has no right to life.

Logic actually requires reason.

A premature fetus has no chnace of suriviving before 22 weeks. From about 22-30, the surivival rate ranges from 5% to 95%.

Those other cases, the people invovled can live for quite some time without assistance.

A fetus can't live outside it's mother's womb at all.
 
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To gather a patients medical history. To learn more about the following...

History of anemia
If you are having an ectopic pregnancy
Gestational age/Fetal anatomy
perform a Hematocrit/A blood test to determine presence of red blood cells
perform a Hemoglobin/test to determine red blood cells ability to oxygen to vital organs
determine Intrauterine environment
Psychosocial history
Real time imaging
Rh factor
presence of Rhesus immunoglobulin
Women who are Rh(-) must be offered Rhesus immunoglobulin administration.

And a host of other things..

Totally unnecessary tests and information meant to make getting an abortion more onerous.

Why don't you just create a Japanese style game show where ladies who want abortions have to run an obstacle course of foam rubber to get to the Abortionist's door. It would be just as silly and would probably be a bit more obivous as to your intent.

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Republican men must have raging erections over this. Seems they think of nothing else but women's vaginas.


the erect arms of a human with one leg in the womb getting its head punctured and brains sucked out? any thoughts on that?


Q- do you think there should be any time restriction on abortion, at all? None, 20 weeks, 28, 30?

None. There doesn't need to be.

okay, no time limit. it appears that you feel that an abortion can occur right up until the moment a doctor would predict as a due date(?) Is that correct?

Q- if the mother declares the intention to undergo an abortion, and, for whatever reason, the baby survives to make it out of the womb alive, do you think the mother should retain the right to have the doctor kill it?


As a follow up question; should the doctor be free to do so absent any legal ramifications etc.?


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To gather a patients medical history. To learn more about the following...

History of anemia
If you are having an ectopic pregnancy
Gestational age/Fetal anatomy
perform a Hematocrit/A blood test to determine presence of red blood cells
perform a Hemoglobin/test to determine red blood cells ability to oxygen to vital organs
determine Intrauterine environment
Psychosocial history
Real time imaging
Rh factor
presence of Rhesus immunoglobulin
Women who are Rh(-) must be offered Rhesus immunoglobulin administration.

And a host of other things..

Totally unnecessary tests and information meant to make getting an abortion more onerous.

Why don't you just create a Japanese style game show where ladies who want abortions have to run an obstacle course of foam rubber to get to the Abortionist's door. It would be just as silly and would probably be a bit more obivous as to your intent.

Tetrisspan.jpg

Interesting that you think you know more than the department of health. Though not surprising. :eusa_liar:
 
How's this for a crazy idea.

If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

But otherwise, mind your own business.

I mean, isn't that like a crazy idea?

Zimmerman is on trial for killing Martin.

So how's this for a crazy idea.

Just let him go and mind your own business.

If you're going to ignore killing, then ignore killing for everyone.

That’s unsurprisingly idiotic.

Privacy rights concerns civil law, not criminal law Zimmerman is subject to.
 
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When do you believe it's no longer a fetus and it's now a child? After it's born? Is it only a child when it starts breathing on it's own?

I believe in the exact same standard society uses.

When the woman wants it, it's a child.

When the woman doesn't want it, it's "that problem I need to take care of".

As a practical matter, no fetus can survive below 22 weeks, and you really don't get into good survival rates until much latter. Most premature births suffer a lifetime of disabilities.

Also- 99% of abortions occur BEFORE 18 weeks. The 1% that don't, there is usually a good medical reason, and I would trust women and their doctors before I'd trust a clinically retarded politician like Rick Perry.

And according to C. Everett Koop, MD. 95% of all abortions performed are purely for selfish convenience.
 
Good for them.

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Abortion restrictions are popping up everywhere, it seems.

While activists and celebrities protest a bill in Texas, Ohio just enacted legislation of its own.

A thousand miles from Austin, Texas, Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich signed new restrictions Sunday night as part of a new state budget. Ohio will soon require that women receive ultrasounds before having abortions, and the state will ban public hospitals from having written agreements with abortion clinics to receive women for further care after they have elective abortions.

Those laws won’t take effect for 90 days, according to Kasich’s office.

But new laws, already passed and signed earlier this year, went into effect Monday in Alabama, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi and South Dakota. Another in Montana, and part of a law in Alabama, would have taken effect but were blocked by federal courts. All were passed by GOP-controlled state legislatures and signed by GOP governors.

Starting This Week, It?s Harder to Get an Abortion in 5 States - ABC News

Good, It's time we get a grip on these slaughter houses and their liberal pimps.
 
How's this for a crazy idea.

If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

But otherwise, mind your own business.

I mean, isn't that like a crazy idea?



Hows this for a not so crazy Idea, Use Birth control.

1. Abortion is a surgical proceedure and not good for the woman. Like any other surgery there can be complications.

2. My teenage daughter can't get two tylenol from her school nurse without my permission but can get an abortion without my knowledge or consent.

3.REAL FEMINIST WOMEN tell their men to wear protection and tell them to help contribute to the cost of their birth control or they don't have a "happy ending".

4. Abortion is a male way of getting them out of child support. If the jackass won't help you pay for birth control WTF do they always pony up for an abortion?

5.Ladies it's time to get rid of the mens club. Rather than have abortion on demand, why aren't we screaming for Birth control on demand. Abortion is barbaric and should be obsolete in the United States unless the mothers life is in danger or in cases of rape. The baby is almost fully formed by 12 weeks. All you so called femenists out there, grow some balls and demand birth control, not abortion.


Ladies you've been brainwashed into believeing Roe v Wade is the crowning achievement of the femenist movement and should be protected. YOU ARE WRONG! There is no reason why any woman today should put themself through an abortion when technology has advanced us to make abortion obsolete. Gals it's the equivilent of you wearing a corset,petty coats,cami's slip and gown down to your ankles while the rest of us wear modern clothes. It's 2013, there's no excuse Abortion should be left in the dust.
 
How's this for a crazy idea.

If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

But otherwise, mind your own business.

I mean, isn't that like a crazy idea?



Hows this for a not so crazy Idea, Use Birth control.

1. Abortion is a surgical proceedure and not good for the woman. Like any other surgery there can be complications.

2. My teenage daughter can't get two tylenol from her school nurse without my permission but can get an abortion without my knowledge or consent.

3.REAL FEMINIST WOMEN tell their men to wear protection and tell them to help contribute to the cost of their birth control or they don't have a "happy ending".

4. Abortion is a male way of getting them out of child support. If the jackass won't help you pay for birth control WTF do they always pony up for an abortion?

5.Ladies it's time to get rid of the mens club. Rather than have abortion on demand, why aren't we screaming for Birth control on demand. Abortion is barbaric and should be obsolete in the United States unless the mothers life is in danger or in cases of rape. The baby is almost fully formed by 12 weeks. All you so called femenists out there, grow some balls and demand birth control, not abortion.


Ladies you've been brainwashed into believeing Roe v Wade is the crowning achievement of the femenist movement and should be protected. YOU ARE WRONG! There is no reason why any woman today should put themself through an abortion when technology has advanced us to make abortion obsolete. Gals it's the equivilent of you wearing a corset,petty coats,cami's slip and gown down to your ankles while the rest of us wear modern clothes. It's 2013, there's no excuse Abortion should be left in the dust.

If birth control is such a great idea for reducing the need for abortions why are so many on the right opposed to the Obamacare provision to make it available to all women on demand?
 
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Interesting that you think you know more than the department of health. Though not surprising. :eusa_liar:

The same Department of Health that mandated Gardisil Shots for all teenage girls after the drugmaker gave RIck Perry a huge contribution?

Just pointing this out here....

No good reason to give these ladies all these tests they didn't ask for. No good reason to stick an ultrasound Wand of Shame up their hoo-haas, either.
 
Good it should be harder. With all the birth control out there , we should not have very many un wanted pregnancies .. Condoms are cheap. Having No sex is even cheaper, Chart your temps is free ..
 

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