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Sadly, our president never recites the pledge, nor places a hand over his heart. He clasps his hands in front of his privates, which is becoming known as his "crotch salute."
☭proletarian☭;2047466 said:It's called respect for the flag, respect for the country providing this free education, and respect for the teacher who may be offended by some asshole who is too lazy to stand.
We say it before public meetings and we stand for the national anthem.
If you hate this country and have no respect for those of us who don't - move.
I am so sick of students saying "you can't make me do anything I don't want to" and some idiot adults saying "yeah kids - that's what freedom is about"
So refusing to take a pledge means you hate the country?
I refuse to take an oath of loyalty to Canada, yet I harbour no ill will towards the it. Your assertion has been refuted.
Before getting too wound up about this incidence of the child refusing to repeat P.O.A. like a good little sheeple; the article makes no mention as to why the child chooses not to repeat it. The implication is that this is a sudden event after what appears to be years of rote repetition. A sudden political awareness? Joined a new church? Teenage act of rebellion?
Before patting the child on the back, or condemning her, I would like to know the answers.
The teacher, little fascist that she is, should get a couple of days off, with instructions to read the constitution, in addition to what they have already done.
☭proletarian☭;2047466 said:It's called respect for the flag, respect for the country providing this free education, and respect for the teacher who may be offended by some asshole who is too lazy to stand.
We say it before public meetings and we stand for the national anthem.
If you hate this country and have no respect for those of us who don't - move.
I am so sick of students saying "you can't make me do anything I don't want to" and some idiot adults saying "yeah kids - that's what freedom is about"
So refusing to take a pledge means you hate the country?
I refuse to take an oath of loyalty to Canada, yet I harbour no ill will towards the it. Your assertion has been refuted.
Um...you missed the part about the student refusing to stand. Standing is out of respect. She didn't have to take the pledge, no one does, but it's good manners to STAND while others recite the pledge. The teachers job is not just to teach the 3 "r"s but to teach ethics as well. Can you imagine if Obama went to Saudi Arabia and didn't stand for their flag?
Fail.
It has little to do with "hating the country"
It's called respect for the flag, respect for the country providing this free education, and respect for the teacher who may be offended by some asshole who is too lazy to stand.
We say it before public meetings and we stand for the national anthem.
If you hate this country and have no respect for those of us who don't - move.
I am so sick of students saying "you can't make me do anything I don't want to" and some idiot adults saying "yeah kids - that's what freedom is about"
☭proletarian☭;2048066 said:☭proletarian☭;2047466 said:So refusing to take a pledge means you hate the country?
I refuse to take an oath of loyalty to Canada, yet I harbour no ill will towards the it. Your assertion has been refuted.
Um...you missed the part about the student refusing to stand. Standing is out of respect. She didn't have to take the pledge, no one does, but it's good manners to STAND while others recite the pledge. The teachers job is not just to teach the 3 "r"s but to teach ethics as well. Can you imagine if Obama went to Saudi Arabia and didn't stand for their flag?
So not standing is disrespect and means you hate America?
Is everyone with a bum leg a terrorist? Are elderly veterans who are unable to stand anti-American?
You're right and the school handled it badly. But pledging "allegiance" to ones country, is one of the responsibilities of citizenship. That flag symbolizes one's right to be a lazy asshole. With "rights" come responsibilities. People often forget that part.
LEGAL immigrants get it.
And those lazy assholes will get thrown out of a ballpark or concert venue if they don't stand in an arena in NJ. Schools are supposed to prepare kids for real life.
You're right and the school handled it badly. But pledging "allegiance" to ones country, is one of the responsibilities of citizenship. That flag symbolizes one's right to be a lazy asshole. With "rights" come responsibilities. People often forget that part.
LEGAL immigrants get it.
And those lazy assholes will get thrown out of a ballpark or concert venue if they don't stand in an arena in NJ. Schools are supposed to prepare kids for real life.
What you say is very true...however...at this point in time we see the result of years of dumbing down America, years of the destruction of the family unit, years of eroding dicipline in the home by parents who don't care about their kids and the stupid ass liberal shit shown on TV 24/7. Parents sign their kids over to Teletubbie and Barney videos hoping they'll relieve them of their responsibility to raise them...this they call "progress".
It's pathetic yet under our Constitution they have the right to disrespect their country, piss on our flag and what it stands for. The founding fathers would be pleased indeed....![]()
I think if you feel as though you don't have to say it, or your REFUSE to say it, then people have every right to question just where the hell your allegiance DOES lie.
Maybe you'd be more comfortable getting your ass OUT OF AMERICA if you HATE our traditions and PLEDGES so.
I have no use for you people that take such great pleasure in PISSING on America and it's traditions and customs. You are the filth of our land, and I'd just as soon spit in your face as have to look or listen to you.
Here's where your argument falls flat on it's face. Try learning the definition of "tradition" and then the definition of "policy" or "law". It's not a "tradition" to have freedom of speech. It's a right. It's not a "tradition" to have slavery...it was the law at the time.I hate many old American traditions. For instance, slavery, only allowing rich White men to vote, and going to war over oil while exploiting child slave labour overseas to increase profits margin.
If people didn't oppose traditions, they'd never change.
Comparing the Pledge of Allegiance with slavery. What a fucking moron.☭proletarian☭;2048234 said:I hate many old American traditions. For instance, slavery, only allowing rich White men to vote, and going to war over oil while exploiting child slave labour overseas to increase profits margin.
Change just for the sake change is stupid.☭proletarian☭;2048234 said:If people didn't oppose traditions, they'd never change.
Maybe you're one of the ones that I suggested would be more comfortable somewhere OTHER than living in America, so take your fucking commie emblems by your name and get your ass out.☭proletarian☭;2048234 said:SO you put your hands over your ears and scream? Perfect example of an ignorant reactionary.