Students Demand Acknowledgement of Robert E. Lee's 'Racist and Dishonorable Conduct'

[paperview]

They didn't have tape recorders in 1865, Fakey.

Tape recorders are not the only way to "record" a conversation, genius.

So how is it done so that you would call it valid historical evidence?

Wow.

You really are that retarded.

 

[Unkotare]

They didn't have tape recorders in 1865, Fakey.

Tape recorders are not the only way to "record" a conversation, genius.

So how is it done so that you would call it valid historical evidence?

 

[bripat9643]

If nothing else, Lee was dishonorable in standing with and fighting for the traitorous confederacy when he could have led the Union army and brought far greater honor to his name than that very considerable amount which he had already accrued and subsequently squandered. He was against slavery and secession, but still chose to stand with traitors. A bad call of historical proportions.

All that having been said, these 'students' likely knew all this before they even applied to the college so they are probably just trying to pad their 'lefty' resume in preparation for careers as douchebags upon graduation, should they get that far.

No, Lee was not 'traitorous'. Lee stood for what was right and for how the United States was set up. The States created the Federal Government to serve the States, not for the States to be subservient to the United States Government. The States were to remain Sovereign in everything except in the powers specifically granted the Federal Government by the States via the Constitution of The United States. No where in the Constitution is the Right to Secede prohibited to the States, therefore the Right to Secede remains with the States. Add to that the Declaration Of Independence and it's clear, the States were within their Rights to secede from what they saw as a tyrannical and oppressive Government.

Asa May, one of the largest Planters in Jefferson County Florida was secretly schooling his 'slaves', whom he chose to call his 'people', to read, write, and do basic math to prepare them for eventual freedom. He inherited slaves and was never comfortable with the idea of one man owning another. Ending slavery wasn't as simple as just telling slaves, "Hey, you're free, get off my property or pay rent". Many suggestions were offered by slave owners as to how to peacefully end slavery. All were rejected by the Northern controlled Congress to placate their radical abolitionist supporters, and to keep the money coming into their campaign coffers from the rich textile mill owners.

I'm not denying there were hard core slave owners who were against anything that freed any slaves, but that it was more complicated than just suddenly freeing all the slaves to survive on their own. Reality is, the way it was done led to 100 years of conflict that is still being experienced today in some places.
Spin it any way you choose, it was a National disaster caused by politicians. You can not polish a turd, and turds are all politicians produce.

Wait what?

That's completely wrong.

These are constitutional limits on the states:



That section is a prohibition on secession.

And if that isn't clear?

Section 3.

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

Additionally?

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The Constitution and the Federal Government are supreme.

That's why we are the largest and most powerful nation on earth.

None of that language bars any state from seceding.

 

[paperview]

Lincoln most certainly held some racist views, as did just about everyone at that time - but the Colonization plan (this is the important part) -- was (and Bri and his fellow neo-confederates know this, but repeat the lie) --

Voluntary. <---- Real important element

Very often, Lost Causers and those who use words like Lincoln the Tyrant present an image of the Colonization plan (which was borne of the abolitionists) -- as one of a forced deportation. That's not true.

It would have been voluntary.

Prove it.

Furthermore, that's beside the point. Lincoln was a white supremacist who didn't want blacks living in the United States. Of that fact there is no doubt.

Better than your heroes who wanted to own them as farm property and rape their women and children.

 

[Howey]

I would agree to that if they first acknowledge Abraham Lincoln's "racist and dishonorable conduct." Lincoln was a white supremacist who wanted to ship all the slaves back to Africa. He was busy working on his scheme almost until the day he died. General Grant was an overseer on a plantation before he became a general in the Union Army. Let's also have the university acknowledge his "racist and dishonorable conduct."

Students Demand Acknowledgement of Robert E. Lee's 'Racist and Dishonorable Conduct'

A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee's "dishonorable side."

According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves 'The Committee,'" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day."

The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st.

They added: "The time has come for us, as students, to ask that the university hold itself responsible for its past and present dishonorable conduct and for the racist and dishonorable conduct of Robert E. Lee."​

lol @both Breitbart and Lincoln being racist.

Fucking loons

 

[natstew]

If nothing else, Lee was dishonorable in standing with and fighting for the traitorous confederacy when he could have led the Union army and brought far greater honor to his name than that very considerable amount which he had already accrued and subsequently squandered. He was against slavery and secession, but still chose to stand with traitors. A bad call of historical proportions.

All that having been said, these 'students' likely knew all this before they even applied to the college so they are probably just trying to pad their 'lefty' resume in preparation for careers as douchebags upon graduation, should they get that far.

No, Lee was not 'traitorous'. Lee stood for what was right and for how the United States was set up. The States created the Federal Government to serve the States, not for the States to be subservient to the United States Government. The States were to remain Sovereign in everything except in the powers specifically granted the Federal Government by the States via the Constitution of The United States. No where in the Constitution is the Right to Secede prohibited to the States, therefore the Right to Secede remains with the States. Add to that the Declaration Of Independence and it's clear, the States were within their Rights to secede from what they saw as a tyrannical and oppressive Government.

Asa May, one of the largest Planters in Jefferson County Florida was secretly schooling his 'slaves', whom he chose to call his 'people', to read, write, and do basic math to prepare them for eventual freedom. He inherited slaves and was never comfortable with the idea of one man owning another. Ending slavery wasn't as simple as just telling slaves, "Hey, you're free, get off my property or pay rent". Many suggestions were offered by slave owners as to how to peacefully end slavery. All were rejected by the Northern controlled Congress to placate their radical abolitionist supporters, and to keep the money coming into their campaign coffers from the rich textile mill owners.

I'm not denying there were hard core slave owners who were against anything that freed any slaves, but that it was more complicated than just suddenly freeing all the slaves to survive on their own. Reality is, the way it was done led to 100 years of conflict that is still being experienced today in some places.
Spin it any way you choose, it was a National disaster caused by politicians. You can not polish a turd, and turds are all politicians produce.

Wait what?

That's completely wrong.

These are constitutional limits on the states:



That section is a prohibition on secession.

And if that isn't clear?

Section 3.

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

Additionally?

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The Constitution and the Federal Government are supreme.

That's why we are the largest and most powerful nation on earth.

A feeble attempt to contradict my point. My point stands. Read the Tenth Amendment.

Secession is not mentioned in your replies, because it can't be found in the Constitution, therefore it remains with the States.

 

[bripat9643]

Considering the five or so generations of slave and slave descendents that followed the Civil War, that were denied Civil Rights...


:think:

"considering it" for what reason?

 

[Sallow]

No, Lee was not 'traitorous'. Lee stood for what was right and for how the United States was set up. The States created the Federal Government to serve the States, not for the States to be subservient to the United States Government. The States were to remain Sovereign in everything except in the powers specifically granted the Federal Government by the States via the Constitution of The United States. No where in the Constitution is the Right to Secede prohibited to the States, therefore the Right to Secede remains with the States. Add to that the Declaration Of Independence and it's clear, the States were within their Rights to secede from what they saw as a tyrannical and oppressive Government.

Asa May, one of the largest Planters in Jefferson County Florida was secretly schooling his 'slaves', whom he chose to call his 'people', to read, write, and do basic math to prepare them for eventual freedom. He inherited slaves and was never comfortable with the idea of one man owning another. Ending slavery wasn't as simple as just telling slaves, "Hey, you're free, get off my property or pay rent". Many suggestions were offered by slave owners as to how to peacefully end slavery. All were rejected by the Northern controlled Congress to placate their radical abolitionist supporters, and to keep the money coming into their campaign coffers from the rich textile mill owners.

I'm not denying there were hard core slave owners who were against anything that freed any slaves, but that it was more complicated than just suddenly freeing all the slaves to survive on their own. Reality is, the way it was done led to 100 years of conflict that is still being experienced today in some places.
Spin it any way you choose, it was a National disaster caused by politicians. You can not polish a turd, and turds are all politicians produce.

Wait what?

That's completely wrong.

These are constitutional limits on the states:



That section is a prohibition on secession.

And if that isn't clear?



Additionally?

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The Constitution and the Federal Government are supreme.

That's why we are the largest and most powerful nation on earth.

None of that language bars any state from seceding.

Well yeah..it does.

 

[Sallow]

No, Lee was not 'traitorous'. Lee stood for what was right and for how the United States was set up. The States created the Federal Government to serve the States, not for the States to be subservient to the United States Government. The States were to remain Sovereign in everything except in the powers specifically granted the Federal Government by the States via the Constitution of The United States. No where in the Constitution is the Right to Secede prohibited to the States, therefore the Right to Secede remains with the States. Add to that the Declaration Of Independence and it's clear, the States were within their Rights to secede from what they saw as a tyrannical and oppressive Government.

Asa May, one of the largest Planters in Jefferson County Florida was secretly schooling his 'slaves', whom he chose to call his 'people', to read, write, and do basic math to prepare them for eventual freedom. He inherited slaves and was never comfortable with the idea of one man owning another. Ending slavery wasn't as simple as just telling slaves, "Hey, you're free, get off my property or pay rent". Many suggestions were offered by slave owners as to how to peacefully end slavery. All were rejected by the Northern controlled Congress to placate their radical abolitionist supporters, and to keep the money coming into their campaign coffers from the rich textile mill owners.

I'm not denying there were hard core slave owners who were against anything that freed any slaves, but that it was more complicated than just suddenly freeing all the slaves to survive on their own. Reality is, the way it was done led to 100 years of conflict that is still being experienced today in some places.
Spin it any way you choose, it was a National disaster caused by politicians. You can not polish a turd, and turds are all politicians produce.

Wait what?

That's completely wrong.

These are constitutional limits on the states:



That section is a prohibition on secession.

And if that isn't clear?



Additionally?

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

The Constitution and the Federal Government are supreme.

That's why we are the largest and most powerful nation on earth.

A feeble attempt to contradict my point. My point stands. Read the Tenth Amendment.

Secession is not mentioned in your replies, because it can't be found in the Constitution, therefore it remains with the States.

The 10th Amendment does not invalidate Constitutional Supremacy.

It's actually a "catch all".

And it allows State Governments to make laws to deal with local issues.

 

[paperview]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln most certainly held some racist views, as did just about everyone at that time - but the Colonization plan (this is the important part) -- was (and Bri and his fellow neo-confederates know this, but repeat the lie) --

Voluntary. <---- Real important element

Very often, Lost Causers and those who use words like Lincoln the Tyrant present an image of the Colonization plan (which was borne of the abolitionists) -- as one of a forced deportation. That's not true.

It would have been voluntary.

Prove it.

Furthermore, that's beside the point. Lincoln was a white supremacist who didn't want blacks living in the United States. Of that fact there is no doubt.

Better than your heroes who wanted to own them as farm property and rape their women and children.

hmmm, a number of states in the Union still had slavery as late as 1867. Lincoln even offered to pass a Constitutional Amendment enshrining the right to own slaves in the Constitution itself.

The bottom line is that these douchebags are demanding that the school officially designate Lee as a racist when their hero himself was a bigger racist.

 

[bripat9643]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

How is that "Constitutional?" Where does it say that's how it has to be done?

 

[bripat9643]

Wait what?

That's completely wrong.

These are constitutional limits on the states:



That section is a prohibition on secession.

And if that isn't clear?



Additionally?



The Constitution and the Federal Government are supreme.

That's why we are the largest and most powerful nation on earth.

A feeble attempt to contradict my point. My point stands. Read the Tenth Amendment.

Secession is not mentioned in your replies, because it can't be found in the Constitution, therefore it remains with the States.

The 10th Amendment does not invalidate Constitutional Supremacy.

It's actually a "catch all".

And it allows State Governments to make laws to deal with local issues.

"Constitutional Supremacy" has nothing to do with secession.

 

[bripat9643]

Wait what?

That's completely wrong.

These are constitutional limits on the states:



That section is a prohibition on secession.

And if that isn't clear?



Additionally?



The Constitution and the Federal Government are supreme.

That's why we are the largest and most powerful nation on earth.

None of that language bars any state from seceding.

Well yeah..it does.

Wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

I would agree to that if they first acknowledge Abraham Lincoln's "racist and dishonorable conduct." Lincoln was a white supremacist who wanted to ship all the slaves back to Africa. He was busy working on his scheme almost until the day he died. General Grant was an overseer on a plantation before he became a general in the Union Army. Let's also have the university acknowledge his "racist and dishonorable conduct."

Students Demand Acknowledgement of Robert E. Lee's 'Racist and Dishonorable Conduct'

A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee's "dishonorable side."

According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves 'The Committee,'" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day."

The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st.

They added: "The time has come for us, as students, to ask that the university hold itself responsible for its past and present dishonorable conduct and for the racist and dishonorable conduct of Robert E. Lee."​

lol @both Breitbart and Lincoln being racist.

Fucking loons

Thanks for chiming in, Howey. The numskull factor is exactly what this thread was missing until now.

 

[paperview]

Considering the five or so generations of slave and slave descendents that followed the Civil War, that were denied Civil Rights...


:think:

"considering it" for what reason?

Considering the hundred years of rights denied to blacks after the Civil War, Lincoln was right when he said this:

"Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people. But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. You are cut off from many of the advantages which the other race enjoy. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best, when free; but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours. Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you."

Concerning Emancipation: Address on Colonization

Still, and famously: "I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free." - Lincoln

 

[paperview]

I don't know why we bother. Bripat and his other Lost Causers are incorrigible.

That's been proven time and again.

 

[whitehall]

The ironic thing is that the little city of Lexington, Va. in the Shenandoah Valley thrives on tourism connected to the Civil War but the administration in the city decided to cut their own throats and ban the display of the Confederate flag. Reenactment groups were dumbfounded over the decision and tourism fell off. It isn't surprising that there would be a movement to change the name of Washington & Lee University back to Washington University but sooner or later some radical would decide that Washington might have been a bigot and name the university after a flower or a tree. It should be noted that the Confederacy only existed for about four years and the flags that flew off slave ships for a hundred years were the Union Jack and the Stars and Stripes.

 

[bripat9643]

Considering the five or so generations of slave and slave descendents that followed the Civil War, that were denied Civil Rights...


:think:

"considering it" for what reason?

Considering the hundred years of rights denied to blacks after the Civil War, Lincoln was right when he said this:

"Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted on any people. But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race. You are cut off from many of the advantages which the other race enjoy. The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best, when free; but on this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours. Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you."

Concerning Emancipation: Address on Colonization

Still, and famously: "I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free." - Lincoln

ROFL! That's a justification for sending all the slaves back to Africa!

All that proves is that Lincoln was a racist, just like I stated in the OP.

 

[Sallow]

A state is free to secede if they wish.

They just have to do it Constitutionally, the way they came in.

With the consent of the other states and the Congress.

This is exactly right.