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If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.Yes, they screech. I hope they have bell ringing. It's beautiful..............
They screech?
Are churches allowed to have bells?
Bells ringing are beautiful, but not if you're stuck in the Bell Tower
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
Well they had a referendum, and the people decided.If noise is an issue, the Swiss could regulate in some form, on the basis of noise disturbing the public without banning minarets.
They are quite avid bell ringers, btw. But then it is a Christian nation.
God bless them.
That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.Yes, they screech. I hope they have bell ringing. It's beautiful.
Bells ringing are beautiful, but not if you're stuck in the Bell Tower
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
You have to hand it to some folks here.
Jihadis have slaughtered hundreds over the last few weeks, they promise to continue to slaughter as many as they can as soon as they can, they would love to slaughter the children and grandchildren of every poster on this board, and we're still having this back-and-forth.
How a person can hold to such a position is inexplicable. Although this guy has a good theory:
The European Court of Human Rights upheld the ban as they found it constitutes no infringement on human rights nor on their ability to worship and practice their religion. Preventing European countries from sounding like they are annexed to Saudi Arabia is no great imposition IMO....
Well they had a referendum, and the people decided.If noise is an issue, the Swiss could regulate in some form, on the basis of noise disturbing the public without banning minarets.
They are quite avid bell ringers, btw. But then it is a Christian nation.
God bless them.
Sometimes, what "the people" decide, isn't always a good thing - there's the danger of "tyranny of the majority" (for example popular referendums that restrict the civili rights of certain groups). Apparently, the decision is quite contentious with conflicting opinions, and also - whether it's really about minarets or a broader unease with Islamic immigrants.
The Real Reasons Why the Swiss Voted to Ban Minarets
The surprising vote reveals rather a growing unease in Switzerland, which traditionally has been one of the most open and most tolerant countries of the continent: Many Swiss are worried about the rise of political Islam and religious rules in Europe that are threatening hard-won rights such as equal rights for women and men, the secular rule of law above religion or the right of each individual to decide for him — or herself.
Swiss ban on minarets draws widespread condemnation
Muslim leaders from around the world, senior church figures, European politicians and human rights experts have deplored Switzerland's decision to ban the building of minarets.
The polarising verdict in a Swiss referendum held yesterday raised fundamental questions about discrimination and freedom of religion, with the Swiss government itself doubtful over whether the popular vote could be translated into national law, as required by the country's system of direct democracy.
"Scandalous," said the French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, while Babacar Ba, a senior official of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, warned of an "upsurge in Islamophobia" in Europe.
But far right leaders in Europe applauded the Swiss vote and called for parallel prohibitions in other countries.
"The flag of a courageous Switzerland which wants to remain Christian is flying over a near-Islamised Europe," said Mario Borghezio, an MEP from Italy's anti-immigrant Northern League.
In the Netherlands, the anti-Muslim Freedom party of Geert Wilders, which is steadily growing in popularity, called for a similar vote for the Dutch. "It's the first time that people in Europe have stood up to a form of Islamisation," it declared.
Despite Swiss fears of a violent backlash in the Islamic world and business fears of an adverse impact on Arab spending in Geneva and Zurich, as well as exports to the Middle East, Muslim leaders reacted mostly with sorrow. "The main thing is to keep calm and to realise how much work still needs to be done to defend basic freedoms," said Ba, the OIC ambassador in Geneva."We must do this by taking a constructive part in the debate on all issues which cause fear and concern, and to try to bring people together in order to confront extremism."
I can understand banning the burka - it's not a religious symbol, it's not even called for in Islam, it's a cultural artifact. But it does seem that banning minarets is a blow at religious freedom from a country that is not some third world country with no human rights or religious freedom.
That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.Bells ringing are beautiful, but not if you're stuck in the Bell Tower
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
How so? Cattle droppings do the same thing. Most Muslim counties don't allow Christians to dissent and apostasy. They actually fine non believers. And they allow and condone the crashing of planes and the suicide bombers and ....This is the face of the NEW ISLAM. If there are ANY "GOOD Muslims", stop the bad ones, I will have respect for them. I am an apostate, I despise religion and Islam is on the top of the list of kool aid drinkers fascist morons.It's not restrictive asking people to adequately integrate into a nation and adhere to it's laws and customs.
Switzerland is a peaceful nation, you make it sound like Saudi Arabia or North Korea, they're not going to chop someone's head or force someone to labour in a salt mine for the rest of their life or something.
I prefer a less restrictive form of "integration" - but as an American, that is what I'm used to. Switzerland is not an immigrant nation - we are, and our culture reflects that. As long as our laws are obeyed, I'm fine with what people choose to do. But Switzerland is also a very small and homogenous nation - our culture isn't even the same from region to region. I'm not saying it's like NK or SA, but to me it would be stifling - no room for crazy dog ladies!
"Switzerland is not an immigrant nation - we are, and our culture reflects that."
This is the fundamental difference between America and the European Continent, America was founded on immigration and you are continuously a nation of immigrants.
The European Continent consists of nations who's culture and heritage have been settled for almost Millenia, why should we want our nations disrupted in such ways as to flood us with alien cultures and peoples, we have nothing in common with each other and this all leads to a dangerous culture clash, we don't want this, we essentially just want to be left alone to continue as we are. This ISN'T a crime wanting this and it doesn't matter how many times the pro-Multiculturists shout and call us names, we're immune from the name calling now, it goes in one ear and out of the other.
I see your point, regarding Europe - but the immigrant experience isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can enrich a culture.
Where's the evidence for that? Whenever you have a country with more than one major ethnic group, you have the recipe for civil war.
It's enriched our country.
Put it under suspicion of supporting ISIS and it works for me.
Kind of like Trump is a rapist because some woman accused him of it.
Okay.
Not even close.
So accusation does not prove guilt? So all Muslims are innocent of supporting ISIS until proven otherwise.
Whether they are innocent or not, there's absolutely no reason for us to import them into the U.S.A. The innocent and the guilty can sort themselves out where they live now.
Exactly, the West should never have interfered in the Middle East to begin with, they've always fought amongst each other, we should have left them alone to continue fighting each other and either just kill each other or sort their own problems with each other out in whatever way they might.
It's a dodge to remind the poster this thread is about Switzerland and not the American Constitution? Lol.That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
Nice dodge.
That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.Bells ringing are beautiful, but not if you're stuck in the Bell Tower
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
How so? Cattle droppings do the same thing. Most Muslim counties don't allow Christians to dissent and apostasy. They actually fine non believers. And they allow and the crashing planes and the suicide bombers and ....This is the face of the NEW ISLAM. If there are ANY "GOOD Muslims", stop the bad ones, I will have respect for them. I am an apostate, I despise religion and Islam is on the top of the list of kool aid drinkers fascist morons.I prefer a less restrictive form of "integration" - but as an American, that is what I'm used to. Switzerland is not an immigrant nation - we are, and our culture reflects that. As long as our laws are obeyed, I'm fine with what people choose to do. But Switzerland is also a very small and homogenous nation - our culture isn't even the same from region to region. I'm not saying it's like NK or SA, but to me it would be stifling - no room for crazy dog ladies!
"Switzerland is not an immigrant nation - we are, and our culture reflects that."
This is the fundamental difference between America and the European Continent, America was founded on immigration and you are continuously a nation of immigrants.
The European Continent consists of nations who's culture and heritage have been settled for almost Millenia, why should we want our nations disrupted in such ways as to flood us with alien cultures and peoples, we have nothing in common with each other and this all leads to a dangerous culture clash, we don't want this, we essentially just want to be left alone to continue as we are. This ISN'T a crime wanting this and it doesn't matter how many times the pro-Multiculturists shout and call us names, we're immune from the name calling now, it goes in one ear and out of the other.
I see your point, regarding Europe - but the immigrant experience isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can enrich a culture.
Where's the evidence for that? Whenever you have a country with more than one major ethnic group, you have the recipe for civil war.
It's enriched our country.
It's a dodge to remind the poster this thread is about Switzerland and not the American Constitution? Lol.That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
Nice dodge.
That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
Sad that they will ban a freedom so quickly, helps me appreciate the freedom that the American Constitution allows. That would never fly in this country.
I prefer a less restrictive form of "integration" - but as an American, that is what I'm used to. Switzerland is not an immigrant nation - we are, and our culture reflects that. As long as our laws are obeyed, I'm fine with what people choose to do. But Switzerland is also a very small and homogenous nation - our culture isn't even the same from region to region. I'm not saying it's like NK or SA, but to me it would be stifling - no room for crazy dog ladies!
"Switzerland is not an immigrant nation - we are, and our culture reflects that."
This is the fundamental difference between America and the European Continent, America was founded on immigration and you are continuously a nation of immigrants.
The European Continent consists of nations who's culture and heritage have been settled for almost Millenia, why should we want our nations disrupted in such ways as to flood us with alien cultures and peoples, we have nothing in common with each other and this all leads to a dangerous culture clash, we don't want this, we essentially just want to be left alone to continue as we are. This ISN'T a crime wanting this and it doesn't matter how many times the pro-Multiculturists shout and call us names, we're immune from the name calling now, it goes in one ear and out of the other.
I see your point, regarding Europe - but the immigrant experience isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can enrich a culture.
Where's the evidence for that? Whenever you have a country with more than one major ethnic group, you have the recipe for civil war.
It's enriched our country.
How? What's the evidence that we are better off from non Anglo-Saxon immigrants?
That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.If you want to try, have at it.I adore the sound of church bells.Bells ringing are beautiful, but not if you're stuck in the Bell Tower
You may adore them but others find them annoying, should we ban the ringing of church bells?
You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.
You feel that all 1.5 billion Muslims are the same?It's more like those goddamn meteors that create massive die offs. Muslims much larger threat now in real time. When they get a hold of biological, nerve agents or nukes (it will happen), Daesh (sponsored by Saudi Arabia) will serve it up, they did on 9/11. I think we should have invaded Saudi Arabia and the hell with it.They are the real enemy here.What about the Precambrian period? Time moves on. Dinosaurs and the crusades, deader than a door nail.But the Crusades, the Crusades!
THOSE GODDAMN PRESBYTERIAN VELOCIRAPTORS!
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In a sane world, the insane think they are living in an insane world.“In an insane world a sane man must appear insane.”What goes on in the head of an absolutly disgusting human like Odium.Should do the same with any foreign entity in America. Mexicans,N!ggers,Jews etc.It's "unthinkable" to American immigration officials, but not to any American capable of understanding common sense:
Swiss Do the Unthinkable: Deny Muslims Citizenship
In a move which no doubt has American immigration officials baffled, the Swiss are denying citizenship to Muslim after Muslim for failing to integrate into their society.
In this latest case, two Muslim girls were denied citizenship because they refused to swim in a pool with boys present.
He/she must be a miserable, hateful son of a bitch.
It is very sad. He/she needs help
― C. William King
Still grasping at straws eh kid....it takes an extremely lazy person to not at least inform ones self about another's political beliefs ESPECIALLY when I have given the name of my beliefs more than 10 times....oh well I continue to ignore your stupidity bc its so hard to even take you seriously.Should do the same with any foreign entity in America. Mexicans,N!ggers,Jews etc.It's "unthinkable" to American immigration officials, but not to any American capable of understanding common sense:
Swiss Do the Unthinkable: Deny Muslims Citizenship
In a move which no doubt has American immigration officials baffled, the Swiss are denying citizenship to Muslim after Muslim for failing to integrate into their society.
In this latest case, two Muslim girls were denied citizenship because they refused to swim in a pool with boys present.
... Nazis like yourself, etc.
This picture shows nothing, except asses in the air, Islam has never been a part of either Switzerland or anyplace on the European Continent.
Tell that to Spain. Read a history book.
Read how that happened to Spain and how it was eventually rectified.
I have a Politics and History degree.
You're the one who claimed Islam has never been a part of Europe. That is a profoundly retarded statement.
The European Continent historically is Christian, Islam has never been part of our Continent and has never been accepted by a majority of this Continent and it never will be.
We could mention the Ottomans, I suppose you're a fan of the Ottomans?
So the existence of Islam in Spain for 9 centuries is a myth?
