Swiss do the unthinkable: deny Muslims citizenship.

[Little-Acorn]

Swiss do the unthinkable: deny Muslims citizenship.


What's unthinkable about that?

Muslims have a long record of forcibly taking over and oppressing people in new countries they come to, killing those who resist.

I know, I know, there are lots of Muslims who don't do that - Muslims who are peaceable and even friendly. I know some Muslim people like that, and they are great people.

But I have almost never seen even the "great" Muslims denounce, ostracize, and prosecute the ones who take over other societies. If you don't resist and stop the violent, dominating ones, you are supporting them, at least passively. That's why it is so difficult to stop the violent ones - they remain hidden within the "peaceable" population of Muslims.

If there's any group who should be denied citizenship in another society, Muslims are a good choice.

Sorry, Muslims. You've made your bed.

 

[SwimExpert]

THe people in the Netherlands all come from the same ethnic ancestry and speak the same language.

That explains my old friend Iris.

 

[SwimExpert]

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

Public schools are a government run enterprise, funded by taxpayers, with government employees,

that provide an education to all otherwise eligible children regardless of their ability to pay.

That is socialism by definition.

No it isn't.

Socialism is the government controlling means of production in an economic system , PERIOD.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything else.

You're both wrong. Socialism vs capitalism deals with the source of ownership of what is produced. Socialism posits that ownership arises from performing the labor required to produce something, whereas capitalism posits that ownership derives from providing the capital required to produce something.

That is EXACTLY what I said LOL

No. It's not even close. You're a fucking idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

Public schools are a government run enterprise, funded by taxpayers, with government employees,

that provide an education to all otherwise eligible children regardless of their ability to pay.

That is socialism by definition.

No it isn't.

Socialism is the government controlling means of production in an economic system , PERIOD.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything else.

Schools are the means of producing education. They are part of the means of production.

Education is not a good , arguably it is a commodity, but in terms of the discussion about socialism, it simply doesn't apply. The same as say national defense, that isn't socialistic either, nor are public roads.

So there's no such thing as socialized medicine?

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

The girls, whose names were not disclosed, said their religion prevents them from participating in compulsory swimming lessons with males in the pool at the same time. Their naturalization application was rejected because the sisters did not comply with the school curriculum, Basel authorities said.

Aha! They want to invoke their religion as a means to be exempt from the law!

Who does that sound like? I'll give you a hint...

starts with 'Christian' and ends with 'Conservatives'

OOPS.

Those Christians were born here, and the Constitution protects their religious expression.

So resident alien Christians in the US can be denied their right to worship?

If your 'religion' teaches you not to swim with males so FUCKING DON'T!
Why the fuck should ANYONE have to be made to change their lives to accommodate you?
Muslims are clinically insane fucking zombies.
The whole world is waking up to this muslim bullshit.

Kind of like Christians who don't want their kids in sex education classes?

 

[NYcarbineer]

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

Public schools are a government run enterprise, funded by taxpayers, with government employees,

that provide an education to all otherwise eligible children regardless of their ability to pay.

That is socialism by definition.

No it isn't.

Socialism is the government controlling means of production in an economic system , PERIOD.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything else.

Schools are the means of producing education. They are part of the means of production.

Education is not a good , arguably it is a commodity, but in terms of the discussion about socialism, it simply doesn't apply. The same as say national defense, that isn't socialistic either, nor are public roads.

Who told you the service industry can't be socialized?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's "unthinkable" to American immigration officials, but not to any American capable of understanding common sense:

Swiss Do the Unthinkable: Deny Muslims Citizenship

In a move which no doubt has American immigration officials baffled, the Swiss are denying citizenship to Muslim after Muslim for failing to integrate into their society.

In this latest case, two Muslim girls were denied citizenship because they refused to swim in a pool with boys present. ​

So you love socialists now, good move.

Switzerland isn't Socialist you ignoramus, there's also no history of Socialism in Switzerland.

The SVP are the largest single party in the Bundesversammlung with 65 members of the Nationalrat and in total in the Nationalrat from the 200 seats, 137 are held by parties of the Right. In the Ständerat 31 of the 46 seats are held by parties of the Right, CVP, FDP, SVP.

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

They sure as hell are.

Fuck we agree on something.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

Public schools are a government run enterprise, funded by taxpayers, with government employees,

that provide an education to all otherwise eligible children regardless of their ability to pay.

That is socialism by definition.

No it isn't.

Socialism is the government controlling means of production in an economic system , PERIOD.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything else.

Schools are the means of producing education. They are part of the means of production.

Education is not a good , arguably it is a commodity, but in terms of the discussion about socialism, it simply doesn't apply. The same as say national defense, that isn't socialistic either, nor are public roads.

Who told you the service industry can't be socialized?

Education isn't part of the service industry. Jesus. Is the military also part of the service industry? I mean I get it, your entire argument depends on saying "look we already have socialism in this country" but schools aren't it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Public schools are a government run enterprise, funded by taxpayers, with government employees,

that provide an education to all otherwise eligible children regardless of their ability to pay.

That is socialism by definition.

No it isn't.

Socialism is the government controlling means of production in an economic system , PERIOD.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything else.

Schools are the means of producing education. They are part of the means of production.

Education is not a good , arguably it is a commodity, but in terms of the discussion about socialism, it simply doesn't apply. The same as say national defense, that isn't socialistic either, nor are public roads.

Who told you the service industry can't be socialized?

Education isn't part of the service industry. Jesus. Is the military also part of the service industry? I mean I get it, your entire argument depends on saying "look we already have socialism in this country" but schools aren't it.

Are you nuts? What would socialized education look like then?

 

[Tilly]

Now you will put up even a SINGLE quote by any of the fantastic number of "Famous Muslim Celebrities" who have come out and condemned Jihadism. Just one out of ALL 24!
I do not believe ANY muslim who professes to follow the teaching found in the coran can be a "peaceful muslim".
It's an oxymoron.
As a muslim you must be 'all-in' with the teachings of the coran or you are not a muslim. Period.

I'm assuming that's a "yes".
.

"Yes" to what?

The question I asked: "Just to confirm, then, you equate (24 Famous celebrities who are Muslim) Shaquille O'Neal, Ellen Burstyn, Ali, Janet Jackson and Dr. Oz with a man in the Middle East who would cut the head off an American child and post it on You Tube, is that a fair statement?"

Yes?
.

I don't give a fuck if a skank like Janet Jackson is a muslim or not.
I stand by my statement. Anyone who claims to be a muslim must follow the teachings of the coran.
Within those teachings are found the commands for muslims all over the world to commit mass murder and acts of terrorism on every 'non-believer'.
Any muslim, even fucking Dr. OZ who would openly condemn these barbaric insane acts of violence is an automatic target for other muslims to murder.
Hence the reason NO FUCKING MUSLIMS will condemn the teachings found within the coran which they themselves profess to follow.
Muslim (those muslims who stop following the coran are risking their lives and their families lives of course) who follow the coran's teachings are either current terrorists or they are complicant in the terrorist acts other muslims commit. Period.

If you can't even spell the name of the muslim holy book I prolly won't take you as an authority on the tenants of Islam.

'Tenants'?
Lol.

 

[Fenton Lum]

It's "unthinkable" to American immigration officials, but not to any American capable of understanding common sense:

Swiss Do the Unthinkable: Deny Muslims Citizenship

In a move which no doubt has American immigration officials baffled, the Swiss are denying citizenship to Muslim after Muslim for failing to integrate into their society.

In this latest case, two Muslim girls were denied citizenship because they refused to swim in a pool with boys present. ​

So you love socialists now, good move.

Switzerland isn't Socialist you ignoramus, there's also no history of Socialism in Switzerland.

The SVP are the largest single party in the Bundesversammlung with 65 members of the Nationalrat and in total in the Nationalrat from the 200 seats, 137 are held by parties of the Right. In the Ständerat 31 of the 46 seats are held by parties of the Right, CVP, FDP, SVP.

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

They sure as hell are.

Society is socialism then isn't it.

 

[bripat9643]

So you love socialists now, good move.

Switzerland isn't Socialist you ignoramus, there's also no history of Socialism in Switzerland.

The SVP are the largest single party in the Bundesversammlung with 65 members of the Nationalrat and in total in the Nationalrat from the 200 seats, 137 are held by parties of the Right. In the Ständerat 31 of the 46 seats are held by parties of the Right, CVP, FDP, SVP.

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

They sure as hell are.

Society is socialism then isn't it.

Hmmm, no. The thing that makes public schools socialist is the fact that they are run by the government. Society and government are two separate things.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Switzerland isn't Socialist you ignoramus, there's also no history of Socialism in Switzerland.

The SVP are the largest single party in the Bundesversammlung with 65 members of the Nationalrat and in total in the Nationalrat from the 200 seats, 137 are held by parties of the Right. In the Ständerat 31 of the 46 seats are held by parties of the Right, CVP, FDP, SVP.

They don't have public schools in Switzerland?

Public schools aren't socialism you stupid fuck.

They sure as hell are.

Society is socialism then isn't it.

Hmmm, no. The thing that makes public schools socialist is the fact that they are run by the government. Society and government are two separate things.

Frankly I think you're full of shit and just make shit up.

 

[paulitician]

That is true. But assimilation is a two way street. Too many people nowadays are wrapped up in all the wrong false dichotomies. Too many conservatives don't want any change to ever happen, while too many liberals want tons of change but want to control the path. Nations assimilate too when they take in immigrants. The culture absorbs and retains the new elements and is effected. Liberals can't seem to get it through their heads that too much change too quickly always leads to problems.

That's exactly the problem. What sane person wants our nation to "assimilate" to their filthy despicable culture? There is nothing admirable or desirable about the culture these savages bring with them. Keeping it out of our country is one of the best arguments for closing down immigration.

Clearly my post was miles above your head. You also, ironically, prove exactly what I said about being afraid of all change whatsoever.

Hardly,. Your post was pure pap. It's total bullshit. Again, why do we want our culture to move in the direction of the culture of the Muzzie savages? What does it have to offer us? Nothing, as far as I can see. You suffer from the leftwing disease of believing change is always good.

Any indication that it has?

Go to Dearbornistan and see for yourself. Better yet, go to London, Brussels or Paris and note the changes in these cities.

You make a valid point. The Left Globalist mad rush to be 'Good Multiculturalists', has proven to be a pretty huge blunder. In their mad rush, they didn't think to require their guests to assimilate. Therefore, thousands & thousands haven't. They've created their own small nations within European Nations. They've created enclaves of hate & aggression. And that hate & aggression is being directed at the very nations who welcomed them in.

It's a real mess. Change definitely isn't always good. European Nations need a return to sovereignty. They need to dump the EU and set their own individual Immigration Policies. Leaving it all up to a bunch of fat bureaucrats in Brussels, has proven to be an absolute disaster. Only a return to sovereignty and radical changes in Immigration Policies, can save them now.

 

[ptbw forever]

It's "unthinkable" to American immigration officials, but not to any American capable of understanding common sense:

Swiss Do the Unthinkable: Deny Muslims Citizenship

In a move which no doubt has American immigration officials baffled, the Swiss are denying citizenship to Muslim after Muslim for failing to integrate into their society.

In this latest case, two Muslim girls were denied citizenship because they refused to swim in a pool with boys present. ​

But but but you guys hate Europeans.

Actually, the right in America hates the EU.

The self-proclaimed leftists are the ones who actually hate Europeans.

 

[ptbw forever]

That's exactly the problem. What sane person wants our nation to "assimilate" to their filthy despicable culture? There is nothing admirable or desirable about the culture these savages bring with them. Keeping it out of our country is one of the best arguments for closing down immigration.

Clearly my post was miles above your head. You also, ironically, prove exactly what I said about being afraid of all change whatsoever.

Hardly,. Your post was pure pap. It's total bullshit. Again, why do we want our culture to move in the direction of the culture of the Muzzie savages? What does it have to offer us? Nothing, as far as I can see. You suffer from the leftwing disease of believing change is always good.

Any indication that it has?

Go to Dearbornistan and see for yourself. Better yet, go to London, Brussels or Paris and note the changes in these cities.

You make a valid point. The Left Globalist mad rush to be 'Good Multiculturalists', has proven to be a pretty huge blunder. In their mad rush, they didn't think to require their guests to assimilate. Therefore, thousands & thousands haven't. They've created their own small nations within European Nations. They've created enclaves of hate & aggression. And that hate & aggression is being directed at the very nations who welcomed them in.

It's a real mess. Change definitely isn't always good. European Nations need a return to sovereignty. They need to dump the EU and set their own individual Immigration Policies. Leaving it all up to a bunch of fat bureaucrats in Brussels, has proven to be an absolute disaster. Only a return to sovereignty and radical changes in Immigration Policies, can save them now.

The globalists are anti-western anti-white sociopaths.

They don't care if immigrants assimilate or not.

 

[Coyote]

You can't ban it, that is the point, you can't ban the Muslim call to prayer either. They are both protected by the Constitution.

That's nice. But this thread is about Switzerland, where they had a referendum and banned minarets. Try to stay on topic.

Nice dodge.

It's a dodge to remind the poster this thread is about Switzerland and not the American Constitution? Lol.

It's a selective dodge that ignores other (favorable to your point of view) digressions from the OP.

But it all essentially, belongs in the conversation - because Switzerland's action is about religious freedoms.

No.
The Swiss decision is about religious freedom AND the RIGHT of the Swiss to decide who they want to live among themselves. The Swiss do not want what muslims will bring to Switzerland. The Swiss have watched country after country in Europe culturally collapse under the weight of muslim violence and degeneracy.

Hyperbole much?

 

[Coyote]

Who's supporting or defending extremists? Or, is this just another example of regressive stupidity on your part?

The Regressive Lefties are always so willing to self-identify for me.

Where, precisely, did I say you're "supporting or defending extremists"?

Please show me.

You just made a pretty serious and nasty charge. And then a personal insult. Now, back it up.

I won't expect an apology. I know how you folks are.
.

It's implied in the post I quoted.

Who's defending extremists?
Who's allying with jihadists, terrorists etc?

The Regressive Left? The Regressive Right?

You enjoy insulting others.

 

[Mac1958]

Who's supporting or defending extremists? Or, is this just another example of regressive stupidity on your part?

The Regressive Lefties are always so willing to self-identify for me.

Where, precisely, did I say you're "supporting or defending extremists"?

Please show me.

You just made a pretty serious and nasty charge. And then a personal insult. Now, back it up.

I won't expect an apology. I know how you folks are.
.

It's implied in the post I quoted.

Who's defending extremists?
Who's allying with jihadists, terrorists etc?

The Regressive Left? The Regressive Right?

You enjoy insulting others.

Perhaps you should read what the honest liberal below says. He's the one who coined the term "Regressive Left". He is clear & comprehensive in his explanation.

As I said, I wasn't expecting an apology.

And you're certainly welcome to point out all my actual "insults". Such as your use of the term "stupidity".

 

[Coyote]

Who's supporting or defending extremists? Or, is this just another example of regressive stupidity on your part?

The Regressive Lefties are always so willing to self-identify for me.

Where, precisely, did I say you're "supporting or defending extremists"?

Please show me.

You just made a pretty serious and nasty charge. And then a personal insult. Now, back it up.

I won't expect an apology. I know how you folks are.
.

It's implied in the post I quoted.

Who's defending extremists?
Who's allying with jihadists, terrorists etc?

The Regressive Left? The Regressive Right?

You enjoy insulting others.

Perhaps you should read what the honest liberal below says. He's the one who coined the term "Regressive Left". He is clear & comprehensive in his explanation.

As I said, I wasn't expecting an apology.

And you're certainly welcome to point out all my actual "insults". Such as your use of the term "stupidity".

The term, which you use over and over "Regressive Leftie" is an insult. The claim that they "make alliances with etc etc" is likewise dishonest.

If you don't like insults, why do you use them?