T-shirts at a memorial service aren't political?

[boedicca]

Good question. If the university was used because it is a government funded entity with sufficient auditorium space for such a large gathering, that's fine.

If it was done as a pre-campaign political effort, it's not.

Obama's speech, imo, was fine, with one exception. When the crowd started hooting and hollering, he should have called them on it and requested peaceful respect for the dead.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Where I live people have RIP shirts made to memorialize the passing of a loved one
In this case there were several, The message is apolitical.

Let it go

University of Arizona spokesperson Jennifer Fitzenberger told me that the shirts were, indeed, provided by the University. “The University wanted to give people something to remember that symbolized community spirit and continued the event’s positive energy into the future,” she said.

According to Fitzenberger, the shirts were designed by a University of Arizona student, and they cost about $60,000. “The University will pay for them,” she noted. “No tuition, state allocations, tax dollars or student fees will be used.”
The Truth About the ?Together We Thrive? T-Shirts at the Tucson Memorial | Blogs

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget where a public university gets its money.

The University doesn't get all it's funds from taxes, the students, and stuff like that. For example when I worked for the basketball arena at my school, giveaways were usually either paid from sponsors, or from their budget (which all advertising money goes to).

They could have easily paid for all those shirts from the money they make from advertising, food/merchandise sales, paid for tickets from those who attend events at the arena.

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget that public universities have many forms of incomes (especially their stadiums/arenas).

 

[saveliberty]

Where I live people have RIP shirts made to memorialize the passing of a loved one
In this case there were several, The message is apolitical.

Let it go

University of Arizona spokesperson Jennifer Fitzenberger told me that the shirts were, indeed, provided by the University. “The University wanted to give people something to remember that symbolized community spirit and continued the event’s positive energy into the future,” she said.

According to Fitzenberger, the shirts were designed by a University of Arizona student, and they cost about $60,000. “The University will pay for them,” she noted. “No tuition, state allocations, tax dollars or student fees will be used.”
The Truth About the ?Together We Thrive? T-Shirts at the Tucson Memorial | Blogs

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget where a public university gets its money.

The University doesn't get all it's funds from taxes, the students, and stuff like that. For example when I worked for the basketball arena at my school, giveaways were usually either paid from sponsors, or from their budget (which all advertising money goes to).

They could have easily paid for all those shirts from the money they make from advertising, food/merchandise sales, paid for tickets from those who attend events at the arena.

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget that public universities have many forms of incomes (especially their stadiums/arenas).

I see another supposedly smart person doesn't get it either.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget where a public university gets its money.

The University doesn't get all it's funds from taxes, the students, and stuff like that. For example when I worked for the basketball arena at my school, giveaways were usually either paid from sponsors, or from their budget (which all advertising money goes to).

They could have easily paid for all those shirts from the money they make from advertising, food/merchandise sales, paid for tickets from those who attend events at the arena.

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget that public universities have many forms of incomes (especially their stadiums/arenas).

I see another supposedly smart person doesn't get it either.

Um it says the University is paying for them-but says they wont use any of the money from and I quote:

-tuitions
-state allocations
-tax dollars
-student fees

So your comment was that people forget where the public university gets their money from, implying it was from one of these sources. I simply pointed out they get their money from other sources including: advertising revenue, merchandise revenue, ticket/event sales.

So what is wrong with using those sources of income towards these shirts? If they use advertising revenues on those shirts-how would that be them using public funds towards the university? Answer that question.

I'm sure you know how to read, but I question your ability to comprehend.

 

[saveliberty]

The University doesn't get all it's funds from taxes, the students, and stuff like that. For example when I worked for the basketball arena at my school, giveaways were usually either paid from sponsors, or from their budget (which all advertising money goes to).

They could have easily paid for all those shirts from the money they make from advertising, food/merchandise sales, paid for tickets from those who attend events at the arena.

This is what happens when supposedly smart people forget that public universities have many forms of incomes (especially their stadiums/arenas).

I see another supposedly smart person doesn't get it either.

Um it says the University is paying for them-but says they wont use any of the money from and I quote:

-tuitions
-state allocations
-tax dollars
-student fees

So your comment was that people forget where the public university gets their money from, implying it was from one of these sources. I simply pointed out they get their money from other sources including: advertising revenue, merchandise revenue, ticket/event sales.

So what is wrong with using those sources of income towards these shirts? If they use advertising revenues on those shirts-how would that be them using public funds towards the university? Answer that question.

I'm sure you know how to read, but I question your ability to comprehend.

...and you have no problem that the University had a spare $60,000 that was not budgeted? Are they going to accept $60,000 less in tax funding? It is a false conclusion that a government run and funded business should be able to determine what they can do with the "profit". It should be returned to the taxpayers or at least get taxpayer approval before being spent.

 

[asaratis]

The rightwingloons whining over tshirts just shows how incredibly petty and hateful they really are.

...and the leftwingnuts have double standards to cover their asses and excuse their bad behavior.

Taking advantage of a memorial service to promote a new political slogan for the party is a typically liberal gesture.

 

[mdn2000]

The Sheriff is a big failure, he needs to be run out of office, hell the Sheriff was the first to demonize everyone on the Right.

Now we have people speaking that they must guard what they say. Just like under Communism.

Hello Marxism.

I love Obama.

Anti-Censorship Page

Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.
William O. Douglas

All censorships exist to prevent any one from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions.
George Bernard Shaw

Damage Control run amok....right here.

Why did you eliminate this quote from my post?

Thus if the First Amendment means anything in this field, it must allow protests even against the moral code that the standard of the day sets for the community. In other words, literature should not be suppressed merely because it offends the moral code of the censor.
William O. Douglas

 

[bodecea]

The Sheriff is a big failure, he needs to be run out of office, hell the Sheriff was the first to demonize everyone on the Right.

Now we have people speaking that they must guard what they say. Just like under Communism.

Hello Marxism.

I love Obama.

Anti-Censorship Page

Damage Control run amok....right here.

Why did you eliminate this quote from my post?

Thus if the First Amendment means anything in this field, it must allow protests even against the moral code that the standard of the day sets for the community. In other words, literature should not be suppressed merely because it offends the moral code of the censor.
William O. Douglas

I didn't eliminate anything. I bolded and enlarged, but did not eliminate. That would be wrong.


Edited to add: How odd, I do notice one quote gone from your post to mine. I honestly do not know how that happened....I didn't do it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

ummm I dont understand why you would object to such a message?

The message itself is fine, the Implication by Many on the left is not. They imply that unless we get in line and do what Obama wants we are not working together. The left never wants to meet us in the middle. Their idea of getting along is everyone bowing down and doing what ever the Left wants with out complaining about it.

If folks on the left are implying that, they are wrong. If folks on the right imply that if folks don't toe their line that they are not working together, who cares.

The left will tell you that you don't want to meet them in the middle.

So let's keep talking and figuring this out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

<snip>

No the sheriff was not demonizing the right. He was calling out uncivil rhetoric. Both sides do it, both sides should stop it.

No Obama is not a marxist, Obama is not a socialist.

Let's get our definitions correct.

 

[saveliberty]

The rightwingloons whining over tshirts just shows how incredibly petty and hateful they really are.

...and the leftwingnuts have double standards to cover their asses and excuse their bad behavior.

Taking advantage of a memorial service to promote a new political slogan for the party is a typically liberal gesture.

...and the $60,000 for the shirts didn't have to come out of campaign monies thanks to the "profits" the University could tap.

 

[edthecynic]

Organizing for America | John Berry IV's Blog: Together We Thrive

Means nothing.

Why, because "Together we Thrive," is as common as, "If you've got the time, we've got the beer?"

That is correct!

Here it is from a song in "Grey Gardens" the 1975 documentary about Edith Bouvier Beale.

We belong together

We're happy together

And life is a song

When we are together

We know we are where we belong

When we are together

-Like birds of a feather
- Of a feather

- Together we thrive
- Together we thrive

 

[saveliberty]

So what you guys are saying is, this kid plagerized the saying. Oops, somebody needs to be expelled!

 

[edthecynic]

So what you guys are saying is, this kid plagerized the saying. Oops, somebody needs to be expelled!

The patented CON$ervative dumb act again.

CON$ must believe it is better to play dumb than to admit the phrase is not unique to Obama, as the mindless CON$ervative drones have been programed to parrot.

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Obama killed everyone there by not giving them condoms.

 

[thanatos144]

Free speech does not cause mad men to kill. Obama should have known that idiot college students make a bad audience for a memorial and slogan laden T-Shirts are disgraceful when memorializing the dead.

I keep hearing it isnt Obama's fault well I have to ask when is it fault? Ether he wanted this to happen or he is so stupid that he couldnt see this happening when a retard could.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Where I live people have RIP shirts made to memorialize the passing of a loved one
In this case there were several, The message is apolitical.

Let it go

University of Arizona spokesperson Jennifer Fitzenberger told me that the shirts were, indeed, provided by the University. “The University wanted to give people something to remember that symbolized community spirit and continued the event’s positive energy into the future,” she said.

According to Fitzenberger, the shirts were designed by a University of Arizona student, and they cost about $60,000. “The University will pay for them,” she noted. “No tuition, state allocations, tax dollars or student fees will be used.”

The Truth About the ?Together We Thrive? T-Shirts at the Tucson Memorial | Blogs

Thanks for posting that, though people who wish to find something to attack the President with will just keep trudging on while ignoring the reality of the situation.

No one is looking for stuff to attack the President...The President just keeps trying to change the country into his socialist paradise that never will exist. Some one need to inform our president that since he is the leader of it he should at least know we dont live in a democracy.....The USA is a Republic....A Constitutional Republic.

You do understand just what is socialism?

You do understand that socialism is not social democracy working within the capitalistic system?

You do understand your concern has no ground for real concern?

 

[thanatos144]

Thanks for posting that, though people who wish to find something to attack the President with will just keep trudging on while ignoring the reality of the situation.

No one is looking for stuff to attack the President...The President just keeps trying to change the country into his socialist paradise that never will exist. Some one need to inform our president that since he is the leader of it he should at least know we dont live in a democracy.....The USA is a Republic....A Constitutional Republic.

You do understand just what is socialism?

You do understand that socialism is not social democracy working within the capitalistic system?

You do understand your concern has no ground for real concern?

You do know what a republic is dont you?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Anyone with common sense knows the Left/Democrats have been disgraceful is using this tragedy for political gain. They think they've gained something but in reality they've lost a lot of respect & credibility. The Silent Majority is pissed at them for their handling of this awful tragedy. They wont forget. The Democrats have reached rock-bottom. They can't stoop any lower.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The comment about 'republic' has no merit in this discussion, and the great majority of America have turned its back on Palin and her supporters.