Teacher Demands Her Students Deny the Existence of God

[bodecea]

I suspect she "misunderstood" the lesson intentionally (or was scripted to feign it) as a passive-aggressive subversion.

I don't know the girl, so I cannot say for certain it was intentional--but I tend to doubt that it was. I'm only a substitute teacher, but I have presented this lesson (without the statement about God). Students pick up on fact and opinions fairly easily, but I fielded questions on, "But what is an assertion?" I didn't explain assertion as a "myth", but myth could fit the definition. I said it was something that is stated and sounds as though it were true--and my synonym was "urban legend." (The students were excited to share a few of those.)

To me, it just sounds like a lesson that got out of hand. The one about God is hard. There are eye-witness accounts (Near Death Experience) and that can edge it towards fact, but not quite scientific fact (reproducible in lab conditions). Wish the mother and daughter could have simply talked with the teacher instead of heading for the school board.

Yeah I suspect the mother steered the daughter into a victim role. Either in the present case or as a pattern. In any case nobody else took the exercise that way, nor was it graded, so somebody's playing loosely with the facts.

What galls me is here's a teacher that comes up with a thinking exercise and she gets punished for doing her job.

There's already an older and much larger thread on this here btw.

This is the fourth thread on this I've seen.

 

[bodecea]

I suspect she "misunderstood" the lesson intentionally (or was scripted to feign it) as a passive-aggressive subversion.

I don't know the girl, so I cannot say for certain it was intentional--but I tend to doubt that it was. I'm only a substitute teacher, but I have presented this lesson (without the statement about God). Students pick up on fact and opinions fairly easily, but I fielded questions on, "But what is an assertion?" I didn't explain assertion as a "myth", but myth could fit the definition. I said it was something that is stated and sounds as though it were true--and my synonym was "urban legend." (The students were excited to share a few of those.)

To me, it just sounds like a lesson that got out of hand. The one about God is hard. There are eye-witness accounts (Near Death Experience) and that can edge it towards fact, but not quite scientific fact (reproducible in lab conditions). Wish the mother and daughter could have simply talked with the teacher instead of heading for the school board.

Yeah I suspect the mother steered the daughter into a victim role. Either in the present case or as a pattern. In any case nobody else took the exercise that way, nor was it graded, so somebody's playing loosely with the facts.

What galls me is here's a teacher that comes up with a thinking exercise and she gets punished for doing her job.

There's already an older and much larger thread on this here btw.

What galls me is that if this teacher was promoting creationism as a "thinking exercise," people like yourself would want her crucified! Liberals think what they say demonstrates sophistication. What in fact it shows is Secular Humanism is now the STATE religion and many are far too sly to admit it.

Not interested in your speculation fallacies of "what I would want" really. I'm interested in what the real story is. Because when I see Allan West's name I know I ain't hearing it.

Waiting for Todd Starnes to jump on board.

 

[Godboy]

Assuming God doesn't exist, how would one prove it? It would be like asking you to prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

You begin with the premises and examine them for possibility and probability. No adult of a right mind thinks the tooth fairy exists, while billions of adults believe in deity.

So try another comparison.

Most of the world doesnt believe in YOUR religion.

Try another argument, but dont make it so sucky this time.

Only you said that, not me, Godboy. You make this so easy for me.

Most of the world believes in God or All or Jehovah or whatever you want to call deity.

The tooth fairy attack reveals the paucity of the Anti-Godist position.

Most of the world does not believe in your deity. In fact, many of them would kill you for believing what you believe. Dont try to put all religious people in the same category. It makes you look stupid. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

You once again are saying something I did not. All religious people are in the same category in that they do believe in deity: simply no way around that. You're making a loaded statement; that is it contains an unprovable assumption that you are making.

Theists are theists, Godboy, and your argument is laughable. Go counsel with Skylar.

You cant believe in an imaginary being AND call my argument laughable. You can do one or the other, but not both.

 

[Skylar]

Assuming God doesn't exist, how would one prove it? It would be like asking you to prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist.

You begin with the premises and examine them for possibility and probability. No adult of a right mind thinks the tooth fairy exists, while billions of adults believe in deity.

So try another comparison.

Most of the world doesnt believe in YOUR religion.

Try another argument, but dont make it so sucky this time.

Only you said that, not me, Godboy. You make this so easy for me.

Most of the world believes in God or All or Jehovah or whatever you want to call deity.

The tooth fairy attack reveals the paucity of the Anti-Godist position.

Most of the world does not believe in your deity. In fact, many of them would kill you for believing what you believe. Dont try to put all religious people in the same category. It makes you look stupid. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

You once again are saying something I did not. All religious people are in the same category in that they do believe in deity: simply no way around that. You're making a loaded statement; that is it contains an unprovable assumption that you are making.

Theists are theists, Godboy, and your argument is laughable. Go counsel with Skylar.

Theists wildly disagree about the nature of God. Or 'gods'. What he does, what he wants them to do, what he's like, how many of them there are, etc.

The Aztecs and the Catholics were both 'theists'. But they had very different ideas on what god wanted from them.

Your argument don't work, Jake. Which might explain why you've simply abandoned the defense of it.

 

[bodecea]

This is why on the three threads I kept asking posters HOW they knew what happened in the classroom....never got an answer which would have been "this one 12 year old girl"...but I got plenty of insults directed back at me.

Has anyone compared the libtards reaction to this girls story with the Muslim clock maker bullshit?

If the kid is a Musolim making a fake bomb, then the school district is all at fault and the whole school system is out to get this one kid.


But if it is a christian student, well then its 'the little bastard just made it all up!'


The bias is so thick you cant get past it.

We gots ourselves a war coming one day. When people are this polarized and cant see any commonalities at all, just night and day on one side vrs the other, we got a war coming.

Who has called that 12 year old girl a "little bastard"? Name names.

But it is also silly to assume that 12 year old girls don't lie...that they always listen and never misunderstand...that they don't seek attention.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Who has called that 12 year old girl a "little bastard"? Name names.

But it is also silly to assume that 12 year old girls don't lie...that they always listen and never misunderstand...that they don't seek attention.

Which you obviously think this gilr did, but had she been a Muslim, why those damned old racists are at it again!

roflmao

 

[JimBowie1958]

You cant believe in an imaginary being AND call my argument laughable. You can do one or the other, but not both.

That comment itself is laughable because no one 'believes' in an imaginary being' you fucking retard.

Damnit, man go steal a brain, borrow or rent it. You are being too stupid for words.

 

[idb]

The memory of other students isn't predicated on whatever story she makes up.

You are really going to keep pretending that only 8 kids of all that class could remember what happened?

They interviewed 8 of the 22 students. EVERY student they interviewed contradicted Jordan's account. Without exception. The assignment didn't say what Jordan claimed it did. The teacher contradicts her. The district investigation contradicts her.

Its not a grand and spontaneous conspiracy among the district, the teacher, the paper of the assignment, and her classmates, all to facilitate a devout Christian telling a 12 year old that god is a myth.

The kid just made it up.

Then you are a fucking fool.

End of conversation ass hole.'

Sigh.....and now you're going from stubborn to pointlessly belligerent.

Its kind of your tell. When your argument doesn't work you start spewing personal insults. Just man up and admit you backed the wrong horse.

Some of us called it very early.
Me? Post #7.

 

[Thunderbird]

it appeared clear students were simply asked to properly identify faith as an opinion or assertion (not fact),

This is completely dishonest! The statement was There is a God. No mention of faith. Some people employ reason and conclude there is a God.

 

[Thunderbird]

Yeah I suspect the mother steered the daughter into a victim role.

You suspect. Let's stick with the facts.

In any case nobody else took the exercise that way, nor was it graded, so somebody's playing loosely with the facts.

You don't really know this. You had a investigation that may or may not have been biased that asked a few students their opinion.

What galls me is here's a teacher that comes up with a thinking exercise and she gets punished for doing her job.

Seems more like a sloppy thinking exercise.

 

[Thunderbird]

Allan West --- "news reporter"

Reading other accounts makes it appear that the young lady may have misunderstood the lesson and the grade. It appears that the students were asked to identify a list of items, determining whether each statement was fact, a common assertion, or an opinion.

Exactly. From a local TV station:

>> District officials told abc13 that the 12-year-old girl's story is not the same one that other students told officials. They also say that the other students claim this reading teacher did not say there was not a God during an assignment in class on Monday. The district said they interviewed eight of the 22 students who were in that same classroom.

On Monday, a reading teacher passed out a critical thinking worksheet in class. Students were instructed to pick if something was fact, opinion or common assertion. One of the statements on the worksheet read, "There is a God."

Jordan Wooley, 12, and her mother Chantel spoke in front of the Katy ISD school board to complain that the teacher told students that God is a myth and questioned his existence. Katy ISD says the teacher asked the students to participate in a school activity. They also say, the teacher explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate.

Katy ISD Superintendent Alton Frailey said, "In the investigation those assertions were not corroborated by the other students. Was the activity graded? It was not graded. Was it 40 percent of their grade? Were the students told they had to deny God? No one corroborated that, at all."

Chantel Wooley says she stands by her daughter. She also said that somebody is telling the truth and somebody is not. <<
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Indeed somebody is not.

Snopes continues:
>> By the time the Katy controversy reached Fox News viewers on 28 October 2015, the district had already provided additional detail on the dispute that strongly contradicted Fox's subsequent on-air assertions. Between the above-reproduced image of the assignment (shared on 27 October 2015 by KHOU) and the district's statement, it appeared clear students were simply asked to properly identify faith as an opinion or assertion (not fact), and pupils were never encouraged by a (Christian) teacher to deny the existence of God. Nevertheless, the Katy Independent School District revised the lesson and implied the teacher had been reprimanded over the misrepresented controversy. <<
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I suspect she "misunderstood" the lesson intentionally (or was scripted to feign it) as a passive-aggressive subversion. Much like another teacher was forced to apologize for teaching the word "niggardly".

Good job, fascists.

Eight out of 22 students.

Yeah, ok, lol. That little girl isn't lying. I know liars when I see them, and she was relaying an event that had just taken place. There's no reason to assume the whole class heard the exchange between her and the other friend and the teacher.

12 year old girls NEVER lie.

Educational bureaucrats out to save their jobs never lie.

 

[Thunderbird]

Let's listen to this young woman instead of dismissing her testimony.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why didn't they call in a cop to slam her around for disrupting the class tho? I hear that's how we treat kids now, like inmates.

 

[koshergrl]

I suspect she "misunderstood" the lesson intentionally (or was scripted to feign it) as a passive-aggressive subversion.

I don't know the girl, so I cannot say for certain it was intentional--but I tend to doubt that it was. I'm only a substitute teacher, but I have presented this lesson (without the statement about God). Students pick up on fact and opinions fairly easily, but I fielded questions on, "But what is an assertion?" I didn't explain assertion as a "myth", but myth could fit the definition. I said it was something that is stated and sounds as though it were true--and my synonym was "urban legend." (The students were excited to share a few of those.)

To me, it just sounds like a lesson that got out of hand. The one about God is hard. There are eye-witness accounts (Near Death Experience) and that can edge it towards fact, but not quite scientific fact (reproducible in lab conditions). Wish the mother and daughter could have simply talked with the teacher instead of heading for the school board.

Yeah I suspect the mother steered the daughter into a victim role. Either in the present case or as a pattern. In any case nobody else took the exercise that way, nor was it graded, so somebody's playing loosely with the facts.

What galls me is here's a teacher that comes up with a thinking exercise and she gets punished for doing her job.

There's already an older and much larger thread on this here btw.

What galls me is that if this teacher was promoting creationism as a "thinking exercise," people like yourself would want her crucified! Liberals think what they say demonstrates sophistication. What in fact it shows is Secular Humanism is now the STATE religion and many are far too sly to admit it.

Not interested in your speculation fallacies of "what I would want" really. I'm interested in what the real story is. Because when I see Allan West's name I know I ain't hearing it.

Racist.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Some of us called it very early.
Me? Post #7.

Yeah, before there was any evidence in either direction.

You know they have a word for that, dont you?

PREjudice.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why didn't they call in a cop to slam her around for disrupting the class tho? I hear that's how we treat kids now, like inmates.

Show where the kid disrupted the class and refused to obey instructions ass face.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You suspect. Let's stick with the facts.
Seems more like a sloppy thinking exercise.

For the Atheistic Marxists today, there is no need for facts, only enough information to spin it against Christians EVERY DAMNED TIME. PERIOD.

They dont even have to think about it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Racist.

It is said he is a black guy so he cant be a racist according to the left.

Not only are laws expected to discriminate for blacks and against whites, apparently the English language must also.

 

[Esmeralda]

Today I was given an assignment in school that questioned my faith and told me that God was not real. Our teacher had started off saying that the assignment had been giving problems all day. We were asked to take a poll to say whether God is fact, opinion or a myth and she told anyone who said fact or opinion was wrong and God was only a myth,” Wooley told board members,” according to EAG News.


The teacher “started telling kids they were completely wrong and that when kids argued we were told we would get in trouble. When I tried to argue, she told me to prove it, and I tried to reference things such as the Bible and stories I have read before from people who have died and went to heaven but came back and told their stories, and she told me both were just things people were doing to get attention.”

“I know it wasn’t just me who was affected by it. My friend, she went home and started crying. She was supposed to come with me but she didn’t know if she could” because she was so upset, Wooley said.”

The march of radical Marxist ass holes has only just begun. This is just a start, much worse is yet to come.

What BS. You really expect us to believe this story is true?

 

[JimBowie1958]

You really expect us to believe this story is true?

No, I dont expect a Marxist ideologue shit-for-brains like you to believe anything that contradicts your ideology.