Teaching Black history is not an attack on White Americans

[BULLDOG]

Only calling out some while ignoring your buddies is a sign you dont really believe what you say

So you think I'm buddies with slave owners? What could possibly make you think something so stupid?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So you think I'm buddies with slave owners? What could possibly make you think something so stupid?

You dont call out IM2 or his racist crap you claim we are guilty cause of the past while ignoring him defend black slave owners, that tells me you are full of shit, either every slave owner was bad or none were. If whites are to be condemned for the past then so should the blacks because they enabled it and participated MORE then whites.

 

[LOIE]

The Schomburg Center for the Research of Black Culture has excellent information about the African slave trade that provides a stark contrast between what happened and what some use as an excuse to discount the experiences of blacks in America. The web site is named, “The Abolition of the Slave Trade-African Resistance.” From the introduction, information contained in this collection debunks the race pimped tales presented by some in America today.

“Africans started to fight the transatlantic slave trade as soon as it began. Their struggles were multifaceted and covered four continents over four centuries. Still, they have often been underestimated, overlooked, or forgotten. African resistance was reported in European sources only when it concerned attacks on slave ships and company barracoons, but acts of resistance also took place far from the coast and thus escaped the slavers’ attention. To discover them, oral history, archaeology, and autobiographies and biographies of African victims of the slave trade have to be probed. Taken together, these various sources offer a detailed image of the varied strategies Africans used to defend themselves from and mount attacks against the slave trade.

The Africans’ resistance continued in the Americas. They ran away, established maroon communities, used sabotage, conspired, and rose against those who held them in captivity. Freed people petitioned the authorities, led information campaigns, and worked actively to abolish the slave trade and slavery.

In Europe, black abolitionists launched or participated in civic movements to end the deportation and enslavement of Africans. They too delivered speeches, provided information, wrote newspaper articles and books. Using violent as well as nonviolent means, Africans in Africa, the Americas, and Europe were constantly involved in the fight against the slave trade and slavery.”4

The tale of Africa’s role in the slave trade as told by a segment of white society is incomplete and lacking in fact. This has been done on purpose. It was not so simple as blacks capturing each other and selling them to whites. Europeans did not just waltz into Africa and overwhelm a bunch of backward, naked, dumb savages. They were in a fight for 400 years. Many Europeans entered Africa and Africa ended up being their final resting place.

“Some leaders actively worked against the transatlantic slave trade. One of the most famous was Abdel Kader Kane, the Muslim leader of the Futa Toro region in northern Senegal. Kane had succeeded in peopling his kingdom by retaking by force his people who had been kidnapped and by forbidding slave caravans from passing through his territory. After the French took three children from Futa, Kane sent a letter to the governor:

“We are warning you that all those who will come to our land to trade [in slaves] will be killed and massacred if you do not send our children back. Would not somebody who was very hungry abstain from eating if he had to eat something cooked with his blood? We absolutely do not want you to buy Muslims under any circumstances. I repeat that if your intention is to always buy Muslims you should stay home and not come to our country anymore. Because all those who will come can be assured that they will lose their life.”

We are told stories about the shackles and chains, but we are not told the complete story of why they were needed. It is just “you sold your own into balls and chains.” But things just did not happen as some have chosen to believe.

“As the slave trade expanded, resistance to it grew as well, and the need for shackles, guns, ropes, chains, iron balls, and whips tells an eloquent story of continuous and violent struggle from the hinterland to the high seas. As one slave trader remarked:

For the security and safekeeping of the slaves on board or on shore in the African barracoons, chains, leg irons, handcuffs, and strong houses are used. I would remark that this also is one of the forcible necessities resorted to for the preservation of the order, and as recourse against the dangerous consequences of this traffic.”

“Wherever possible, such as in Saint-Louis and Gorée (Senegal), James (Gambia), and Bance (Sierra Leone), the Europeans' barracoons were located on islands, which made escapes and attacks more difficult. In some areas, as soon as local people approached the boats, the crew is ordered to take up arms, the cannons are aimed, and the fuses are lighted . . . One must, without any hesitation, shoot at them and not spare them. The loss of the vessel and the life of the crew are at stake.”

“The heavily fortified forts and barracoons attest to the Europeans' distrust and apprehension. They had to protect themselves, as Jean-Baptiste Durand of the Compagnie du Sénégal explained, from the foreign vessels and from the Negroes living in the country."

“These precautions notwithstanding, in the eighteenth century, Fort Saint-Joseph on the Senegal River was attacked and all commerce was interrupted for six years. Several conspiracies and actual revolts by captives erupted on Gorée Island and resulted in the death of the governor and several soldiers. In addition, the crews of quite a few slave ships were killed on the River Gambia; in Sierra Leone, people sacked the captives' quarters of the infamous trader John Ormond. Similar incidents occurred in other parts of the African coast. Written records document how Africans on shore attacked more than a hundred ships.

Some Western slavers maintained occult centers in their barracoons, staffed by men they paid to work on the captives, sometimes with medicinal plants. The objective was to kill any spirit of rebellion, to tame the detainees, and make them accept their fate. The existence of these centers shows the extent of the precautions taken by slavers to prevent rebellions on land and during the Middle Passage: shackles and guns controlled the body, while the spirit was broken.

But revolts on slave ships, although extremely difficult to organize and conduct, were numerous. About 420 revolts have been documented in slavers' papers, and they do not represent the totality. It is estimated that 100,000 Africans died in uprisings on the coast or during the Middle Passage. The fear of revolts resulted in additional costs for the slavers: larger crews, heavy weapons, and barricades. About 18 percent of the costs of the Middle Passage were incurred due to measures to thwart uprisings, and the captives who rose up saved, according to estimates, one million Africans from deportation by driving up the slavers' expenses.”

It's just so much easier for people to believe the misinformation that has been so prevalent for so long. Blaming people for their own capture allows them to take the blame away from the true perpetrators.

 

[IM2]

You dont call out IM2 or his racist crap you claim we are guilty cause of the past while ignoring him defend black slave owners, that tells me you are full of shit, either every slave owner was bad or none were. If whites are to be condemned for the past then so should the blacks because they enabled it and participated MORE then whites.

You are stupid. You have benefitted from that past and practice it now. Bulldog would call me out if I was a racist. Blacks did not enable slavery or practice it more. Furthermore there are years beyond slavery that you seem unable to recognize where whites kept going and that includes now.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You are stupid. You have benefitted from that past and practice it now. Bulldog would call me out if I was a racist. Blacks did not enable slavery or practice it more. Furthermore there are years beyond slavery that you seem unable to recognize where whites kept going and that includes now.

LOL blacks SOLD blacks to white slavers, the whites did not trap those slaves or attack their villages/ Blacks in the US had black slaves and breed as you put it more slaves. And you dismiss that because you are a racist liar.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Did White Slave Traders Steal Slaves from Africa? - Brightwork Research & Analysis so much for the lies from IM2

 

[Mac-7]

You are stupid. You have benefitted from that past and practice it now.

Whites living today are the true victims of slavery

while blacks alive today are the beneficiaries

can you trace your family tree back to a slave shack and a cotton field in 1860?

if so you are a very lucky black dude

 

[BULLDOG]

You dont call out IM2 or his racist crap you claim we are guilty cause of the past while ignoring him defend black slave owners, that tells me you are full of shit, either every slave owner was bad or none were. If whites are to be condemned for the past then so should the blacks because they enabled it and participated MORE then whites.

I never saw him defend any slaver. That's what idiots like you always end up doing when you try to parse which slaver is worse or better. Your claim that blacks were involved in slavery is true. That doesn't make it less an afront to humanity for anybody, you disgusting pig.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I never saw him defend any slaver. That's what idiots like you always end up doing when you try to parse which slaver is worse or better. Your claim that blacks were involved in slavery is true. That doesn't make it less an afront to humanity for anybody, you disgusting pig.

LOL liar IM2 specifically made excuses for black slavers just a couple posts back.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Lol. You asked for this.

How Many Slaves Did Blacks Own?

So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free. Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, " 'The Known World' of Free Black Slaveholders," Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson's statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave.

Pressly also shows that the percentage of free black slave owners as the total number of free black heads of families was quite high in several states, namely 43 percent in South Carolina, 40 percent in Louisiana, 26 percent in Mississippi, 25 percent in Alabama and 20 percent in Georgia. So why did these free black people own these slaves?

It is reasonable to assume that the 42 percent of the free black slave owners who owned just one slave probably owned a family member to protect that person, as did many of the other black slave owners who owned only slightly larger numbers of slaves. As Woodson put it in 1924's Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830, "The census records show that the majority of the Negro owners of slaves were such from the point of view of philanthropy. In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa … Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he did not thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported to the numerators."

Moreover, Woodson explains, "Benevolent Negroes often purchased slaves to make their lot easier by granting them their freedom for a nominal sum, or by permitting them to work it out on liberal terms." In other words, these black slave-owners, the clear majority, cleverly used the system of slavery to protect their loved ones.

Did Black People Own Slaves?

For those who are wondering about the retro title of this black history series, please take a moment to learn about historian Joel A. Rogers

www.theroot.com

Your post is disingenuous.

Just one pf many posts by IM2 down playing black slave owners He has also posted that blacks in Africa did not sell blacks to white slavers and that if they did it was acceptable because they did it for peanuts.

 

[IamZ]

Just one pf many posts by IM2 down playing black slave owners He has also posted that blacks in Africa did not sell blacks to white slavers and that if they did it was acceptable because they did it for peanuts.

He just uses lazy blacks to push his left wing agenda

 

[Mac-7]

I never saw him defend any slaver. That's what idiots like you always end up doing when you try to parse which slaver is worse or better. Your claim that blacks were involved in slavery is true. That doesn't make it less an afront to humanity for anybody, you disgusting pig.

Im2 should be thanking slavers black or white

 

[IamZ]

Im2 should be thanking slavers black or white

No way he would love to be in the sub Saraha heat swatting flies off his face lol

 

[Mac-7]

No way he would love to be in the sub Saraha heat swatting flies off his face lol

Maybe so

but some landlords allow residents to keep a goat so being in America is not all bad for displaced africans like him

 

[BULLDOG]

LOL liar IM2 specifically made excuses for black slavers just a couple posts back.

You expect me to believe IM2 justified slavery? You idiot. You misunderstood what he said.

 

[BULLDOG]

Im2 should be thanking slavers black or white

That seems to be the belief of all white supremacists.

 

[IM2]

Just one pf many posts by IM2 down playing black slave owners He has also posted that blacks in Africa did not sell blacks to white slavers and that if they did it was acceptable because they did it for peanuts.

No I am not downplaying anything. I posted facts with the numbers of slaves owned by blacks a why. As for your lie about what I said referring to Africa, the fact is whites purchased the slaves. The importation of slaves ended in 1808. Africans are responsible for 389,000 slaves. By the time the civil war ended, there were 4 million. the 3.6 million slave added to what the Africans sold are the result of slave breeding by whites.

The fact is that you guys are dishonest about this matter because you're unable to take responsibility. Black slaveowners primarily purchased family members who were enslaved. This is a fact that is documented. So you can be disingenuous talking about black slaveowners because your white fragility won't let you face the truth, but the truth is documented.

Now let's talk about the years 1863 until right now, because we've been out of slavery for quite some time and yet whites like you guys still exist.

 

[IM2]

Im2 should be thanking slavers black or white

And you should be thanking every native American you see for not killing your ancestors as they got off the boat.

 

[IM2]

I never saw him defend any slaver. That's what idiots like you always end up doing when you try to parse which slaver is worse or better. Your claim that blacks were involved in slavery is true. That doesn't make it less an afront to humanity for anybody, you disgusting pig.

The problem is they are not telling the whole story. They just say blacks owned slaves. What they won't say is most freed blacks bought their family members and while technically they were slaves, in reality they were not.

 

[BULLDOG]

The problem is they are not telling the whole story. They just say blacks owned slaves. What they won't say is most freed blacks bought their family members and while technically they were slaves, in reality they were not.

That's an aspect of slavery that never really crossed my mind. It makes sense that those that were able did that. While it is an important, and frankly heartbreaking fact that it would take a bill of sale to reunite a family, it's doubtful that a large percentage of the total slave trade was conducted for that purpose. It was mostly just cash for livestock in the minds of most slave traders. Smaller numbers make it easier for the racists to just ignore those instances as inconsequential in the overall scheme of things. Just another sad example of what happens when people are considered property.