Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

[toomuchtime_]

It is foolish to imagine you can completely remove all the incentives for illegals to come here. The federal government can only implement E-verify for a small portion of the economy and the states must agree to implement it for the rest of the economy, so the effort to eliminate all incentives would first have to go through years and years of legislative battles in Washington and the state legislatures and then years and year of judicial challenges all over the country and then there will be substantial parts of the country that will continue to refuse to implement it. In the meantime, illegals will continue to cross the border almost at will.

Done properly, barriers work. A proper barrier with beefed border patrols will end the flow of illegals across our southern border, and with stepped up enforcement to deport those already here, steady progress can be made to reduce our illegal immigrant problems to no more than a nuisance. I agree with you that we should try to remove the incentives, but as a practical matter it can only be part of the solution.

Congress can mandate it.
Also, I wasn't just talking about that. I want no more amnesty, no more ER, no more schooling, no more anything. I would also like to fine the shit out of landlords, real estate etc for renting or selling dwellings.

The problem is Congress doesn't have the power to do all of these things. The state governments have to agree. In principle I agree with you, but as a practical matter it can be only a part of the solution and then only in some states. That's why it is necessary to try to seal the border to try to reduce the illegal immigrant problem.

Congress can do those things, actually. They would just have to come together. They have tried to mandate everify on several occasions but asshole democrats, republicans and the chamber of commerce don't want it.

Actually, Congress can't. E-verify has been law since 1997, but it only applies to federal contractors and while some states have passed laws requiring all employers to use it, some have not.

"In 2011, California passed an act to prohibit municipalities from mandating use of E-Verify.[28] At least 20 municipalities had required use of E-Verify,[29] for all businesses and/or companies doing business with the local government, including Mission Viejo[30] (2007), Temecula[31][32] (ordinance 5.06.030) (2010), Murrieta[33][34][35] (ordinance Chapter 5.04) (2010), Riverside,[36]Santa Maria[37][38] (only for city employees), Lake Elsinore[39] (Ordinance No. 1279)[40] (2010), Wildomar[41] (only for contractors) (2010), Lancaster[42] (Ordinance No. 934), Palmdale, San Clemente, Escondido, Menifee, Hemet, San Juan Capistrano, Hesperia, Norco, San Bernardino County, Rancho Santa Margarita, and Simi Valley.[29]

Cities considering E-Verify ordinances for businesses for 2011 are Costa Mesa,[43] San Luis Obispo, Santa Maria[44] (for all businesses) Santa Barbara, and San Jose. However, Costa Mesa[45][46][47] is the only city that has adapted the same state law as Arizona's SB-1070, allowing the City to arrest those without proper identification of resident status under suspicion of being unlawfully present in the United States."

E-Verify - Wikipedia

Yes, Congress can. They have tried multiple times but the corporatists don't want anything to do with it.
Its kind of absurd to think congress couldn't mandate everify..

It may seem absurd to you that Congress can't mandate E-verify, but in fact it can't.

 

[NightFox]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Great idea.

Most of us will be happy to have the wall built, but only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

That's bullshit, Mexico doesn't have to send us a check, PayPal will do just fine.

 

[TNHarley]

Senator Ted Cruz wants to use assets seized from drug lords such as El Chapo, the Mexican kingpin who was recently extradited to the U.S., to pay for border security and the border wall.

• The idea: U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits and other assets from El Chapo. They also routinely seize the assets of other drug dealers and traffickers.
• The Cruz quote: "Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border."
• The acronym's meaning: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order
• Why it matters: President Trump is trying to figure out how to pay for his border wall, which will require American taxpayers to front the bill, but Republicans aren't helping at the moment.

Ted Cruz introduces "EL CHAPO Act" to pay for the wall

Great idea.

Most of us will be happy to have the wall built, but only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

link?

Link to what?

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

 

[TNHarley]

Congress can mandate it.
Also, I wasn't just talking about that. I want no more amnesty, no more ER, no more schooling, no more anything. I would also like to fine the shit out of landlords, real estate etc for renting or selling dwellings.

The problem is Congress doesn't have the power to do all of these things. The state governments have to agree. In principle I agree with you, but as a practical matter it can be only a part of the solution and then only in some states. That's why it is necessary to try to seal the border to try to reduce the illegal immigrant problem.

Congress can do those things, actually. They would just have to come together. They have tried to mandate everify on several occasions but asshole democrats, republicans and the chamber of commerce don't want it.

Actually, Congress can't. E-verify has been law since 1997, but it only applies to federal contractors and while some states have passed laws requiring all employers to use it, some have not.

"In 2011, California passed an act to prohibit municipalities from mandating use of E-Verify.[28] At least 20 municipalities had required use of E-Verify,[29] for all businesses and/or companies doing business with the local government, including Mission Viejo[30] (2007), Temecula[31][32] (ordinance 5.06.030) (2010), Murrieta[33][34][35] (ordinance Chapter 5.04) (2010), Riverside,[36]Santa Maria[37][38] (only for city employees), Lake Elsinore[39] (Ordinance No. 1279)[40] (2010), Wildomar[41] (only for contractors) (2010), Lancaster[42] (Ordinance No. 934), Palmdale, San Clemente, Escondido, Menifee, Hemet, San Juan Capistrano, Hesperia, Norco, San Bernardino County, Rancho Santa Margarita, and Simi Valley.[29]

Cities considering E-Verify ordinances for businesses for 2011 are Costa Mesa,[43] San Luis Obispo, Santa Maria[44] (for all businesses) Santa Barbara, and San Jose. However, Costa Mesa[45][46][47] is the only city that has adapted the same state law as Arizona's SB-1070, allowing the City to arrest those without proper identification of resident status under suspicion of being unlawfully present in the United States."

E-Verify - Wikipedia

Yes, Congress can. They have tried multiple times but the corporatists don't want anything to do with it.
Its kind of absurd to think congress couldn't mandate everify..

It may seem absurd to you that Congress can't mandate E-verify, but in fact it can't.

link?

 

[brummelben]

Most of us will be happy to have the wall built, but only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

link?

Link to what?

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

 

[TNHarley]

link?

Link to what?

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

That's what I thought, liar

 

[toomuchtime_]

The problem is Congress doesn't have the power to do all of these things. The state governments have to agree. In principle I agree with you, but as a practical matter it can be only a part of the solution and then only in some states. That's why it is necessary to try to seal the border to try to reduce the illegal immigrant problem.

Congress can do those things, actually. They would just have to come together. They have tried to mandate everify on several occasions but asshole democrats, republicans and the chamber of commerce don't want it.

Actually, Congress can't. E-verify has been law since 1997, but it only applies to federal contractors and while some states have passed laws requiring all employers to use it, some have not.

"In 2011, California passed an act to prohibit municipalities from mandating use of E-Verify.[28] At least 20 municipalities had required use of E-Verify,[29] for all businesses and/or companies doing business with the local government, including Mission Viejo[30] (2007), Temecula[31][32] (ordinance 5.06.030) (2010), Murrieta[33][34][35] (ordinance Chapter 5.04) (2010), Riverside,[36]Santa Maria[37][38] (only for city employees), Lake Elsinore[39] (Ordinance No. 1279)[40] (2010), Wildomar[41] (only for contractors) (2010), Lancaster[42] (Ordinance No. 934), Palmdale, San Clemente, Escondido, Menifee, Hemet, San Juan Capistrano, Hesperia, Norco, San Bernardino County, Rancho Santa Margarita, and Simi Valley.[29]

Cities considering E-Verify ordinances for businesses for 2011 are Costa Mesa,[43] San Luis Obispo, Santa Maria[44] (for all businesses) Santa Barbara, and San Jose. However, Costa Mesa[45][46][47] is the only city that has adapted the same state law as Arizona's SB-1070, allowing the City to arrest those without proper identification of resident status under suspicion of being unlawfully present in the United States."

E-Verify - Wikipedia

Yes, Congress can. They have tried multiple times but the corporatists don't want anything to do with it.
Its kind of absurd to think congress couldn't mandate everify..

It may seem absurd to you that Congress can't mandate E-verify, but in fact it can't.

link?

Read the Wiki article I posted a link to. The federal government was only able to mandate E-verify for federal contractors and it was dependent of the states to mandate it for others.

 

[brummelben]

Link to what?

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

That's what I thought, liar

I think the liar was the one who told us Mexico would pay for the wall, among many other lies

 

[toomuchtime_]

link?

Link to what?

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

 

[dcbl]

I always did like good Ole Honest Ted!

 

[Aries]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

 

[brummelben]

Link to what?

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

With surcharges on the billions of $ in money transfers each month from the US to Mexico.

Thats gonna go over real well with companies who do business in Mexico as well as American citizens making investments in real estate

 

[whitehall]

Sounds like a plan. You almost gotta laugh that libs never said a thing about Obama showering Iran with tons of cold cash, about a billion dollars, for no reason that anyone could figure out but all of a sudden democrats (and some cowardly republicans) are tight with a buck when it comes to border security.

 

[TNHarley]

Congress can do those things, actually. They would just have to come together. They have tried to mandate everify on several occasions but asshole democrats, republicans and the chamber of commerce don't want it.

Actually, Congress can't. E-verify has been law since 1997, but it only applies to federal contractors and while some states have passed laws requiring all employers to use it, some have not.

"In 2011, California passed an act to prohibit municipalities from mandating use of E-Verify.[28] At least 20 municipalities had required use of E-Verify,[29] for all businesses and/or companies doing business with the local government, including Mission Viejo[30] (2007), Temecula[31][32] (ordinance 5.06.030) (2010), Murrieta[33][34][35] (ordinance Chapter 5.04) (2010), Riverside,[36]Santa Maria[37][38] (only for city employees), Lake Elsinore[39] (Ordinance No. 1279)[40] (2010), Wildomar[41] (only for contractors) (2010), Lancaster[42] (Ordinance No. 934), Palmdale, San Clemente, Escondido, Menifee, Hemet, San Juan Capistrano, Hesperia, Norco, San Bernardino County, Rancho Santa Margarita, and Simi Valley.[29]

Cities considering E-Verify ordinances for businesses for 2011 are Costa Mesa,[43] San Luis Obispo, Santa Maria[44] (for all businesses) Santa Barbara, and San Jose. However, Costa Mesa[45][46][47] is the only city that has adapted the same state law as Arizona's SB-1070, allowing the City to arrest those without proper identification of resident status under suspicion of being unlawfully present in the United States."

E-Verify - Wikipedia

Yes, Congress can. They have tried multiple times but the corporatists don't want anything to do with it.
Its kind of absurd to think congress couldn't mandate everify..

It may seem absurd to you that Congress can't mandate E-verify, but in fact it can't.

link?

Read the Wiki article I posted a link to. The federal government was only able to mandate E-verify for federal contractors and it was dependent of the states to mandate it for others.

I didn't see that part. Can you quote it please?

 

[TNHarley]

only after Mexico sends us a check for payment in full, as Trump promised would happen

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

That's what I thought, liar

I think the liar was the one who told us Mexico would pay for the wall, among many other lies

Yea, and you making up shit doesn't constitute you being a liar?

 

[brummelben]

Sounds like a plan. You almost gotta laugh that libs never said a thing about Obama showering Iran with tons of cold cash, about a billion dollars, for no reason that anyone could figure out but all of a sudden democrats (and some cowardly republicans) are tight with a buck when it comes to border security.

Link?

 

[rightwinger]

El Chapo has $14 billion?

That makes him a greater businessman than Trump. Therefore, he should be President.

El Chapo University anyone?

 

[brummelben]

Are you saying that Trump never promised that Mexico would pay for the wall?

No. Im wanting a link where he said he expected a check in full

He said mexico would pay for it, now how many other ways are there? Just common sense being applied

That's what I thought, liar

I think the liar was the one who told us Mexico would pay for the wall, among many other lies

Yea, and you making up shit doesn't constitute you being a liar?

The only liars are Trump and hand job.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

 

[brummelben]

Ted Cruz has sold out. A wall is a waste of money and conservatives should be against it when it can be done more cheaply. That money should go to reduce the deficit.

The wall is a part of the solution and no one can find a reasonable solution to illegals crossing that border without it. It is conservatives who oppose the wall who have sold out.

True conservatives. Those of "fiscal responsibility" would not support such an expenditure. The wall will solve none of our societal problems.

Done properly, the wall would pretty much seal our southern border which would greatly reduce the cost of dealing with illegals so unless you have converted to open borders advocacy along with the Democratic leaders like Clinton and Schumer, you will agree the border wall will contribute greatly to solving an important societal problem.

No one has ever had an open border policy, you idiot. What are you going to do with the 500,000+ who enter this country legally, each year, through student visas, visitors, or business and just never leave?