Ted Cruz suggests Texas could secede and "take NASA and the military" if Dems "destroy the country"

[Dana7360]

I do plan to "move" to another nation---The Republic of Texas


All this back and forth and NO ONE has been able to give me ONE GOOD THING the FedGov does to better my life or the lives of millions of others.

It's USELESS, yet we still send tons of money in and get very little return on it, if any.

That is never going to happen.

The state of Texas will remain a part of the United States long after you are dead.

No one in your state congress is going to write that legislation. Much less pass it into law.

You obviously hate the United States of America. Texas will never leave the United States of America so you are much better off leaving.

You hate us a lot. Why stay where you hate?

Sell any real estate you have, if you have any, pack your stuff and leave the nation.

You don't realize you are no one. What you want is meaningless to everyone. No one in your state congress gives a rat's ass about you and what you want.

So you may as well stop banging your head against that brick wall. It will only cause you more brain damage.

The only way you will not live in the United States of America is to leave Texas and live in another nation.

So get off your fat butt and leave. No one wants you here. No one gives a rat's ass about you and what you want so you may as well go to another nation where you will be much happier.

 

[LuckyDuck]

One main problem with Texas separating from the United States would be what government it should have. If the state just drafts its own Constitution along the exact lines of the original and its Bill of Rights, there's nothing saying that Marxist influence couldn't be infiltrated into Texas and result in the same problem cropping up again, yet if it stifles the basic freedoms, then it too becomes an authoritarian government and then you're just another authoritarian nation.
A new Constitution would definitely have to have limitations on what political parties are allowed, which in itself is authoritarian.
A new Constitution would definitely have to have limitations on acceptable speech, especially in the political arena, which again is authoritarian.
A new Constitution would definitely have to have limitations on acceptable religions, opposing any religion considered dangerous to its people.
A new Constitution would have to allow for the stripping of citizenship and deportation of anti-Texas rhetoric, thus it would have to be authoritarian.
So, if the folks that want to separate from the US, just keep in mind that what you might get, to ensure keeping perceived threats out of Texas, is what you strived to get away from, some very serious decisions on what your new nation would be like should be considered.

 

[Astrostar]

Sorry Ted, that ain't the way it works. If Texas secedes, we take NASA and the military. ALL of it including the Coast Guard. Next hurricane or freeze - No FEMA so you're on your own buddy. And you'll be out of a job after Texas has no more representation in Congress. Maybe you can organize a citizen army and capture Cancun?

Sen. Ted Cruz has called on his home state to secede from the U.S. if Democrats "fundamentally destroy the country," adding that Texas should "take" NASA, the military and the country's oil supply along with it.​

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"If they pack the Supreme Court, if they make D.C. a state, if they federalize elections and massively expand voter fraud, there may come a point where it's hopeless," Cruz said during a speaking event at Texas A&M last month.​

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"We're not there yet, and if there comes a point where it's hopeless, then I think we take NASA, we take the military, we take the oil," the Republican added.​

Ted Cruz says Texas should secede and "take the military" if Democrats "destroy the country"

Calls for secession have become a right-wing trope — but there's no constitutional way to accomplish it peacefully

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The Canadian, Cancun Teddy is delusional again! But, he is a great Trump Cult activist! Bigly!!!

 

[LuckyDuck]

That is never going to happen.

The state of Texas will remain a part of the United States long after you are dead.

No one in your state congress is going to write that legislation. Much less pass it into law.

You obviously hate the United States of America. Texas will never leave the United States of America so you are much better off leaving.

You hate us a lot. Why stay where you hate?

Sell any real estate you have, if you have any, pack your stuff and leave the nation.

You don't realize you are no one. What you want is meaningless to everyone. No one in your state congress gives a rat's ass about you and what you want.

So you may as well stop banging your head against that brick wall. It will only cause you more brain damage.

The only way you will not live in the United States of America is to leave Texas and live in another nation.

So get off your fat butt and leave. No one wants you here. No one gives a rat's ass about you and what you want so you may as well go to another nation where you will be much happier.

Dana7360, I doubt he hates the United States, but rather hates that it is headed in the direction of becoming an authoritarian Marxist nation and once a nation becomes Marxist, everyone and I do mean everyone, must march in lock-step with the government's stance.....or else.

 

[AsherN]

You think the U.S. government would turn over all those federal bases in Texas just like that?

The bases? possibly. After moving all personnel, equipment and supplies out.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

One main problem with Texas separating from the United States would be what government it should have. If the state just drafts its own Constitution along the exact lines of the original and its Bill of Rights, there's nothing saying that Marxist influence couldn't be infiltrated into Texas and result in the same problem cropping up again, yet if it stifles the basic freedoms, then it too becomes an authoritarian government and then you're just another authoritarian nation.
A new Constitution would definitely have to have limitations on what political parties are allowed, which in itself is authoritarian.
A new Constitution would definitely have to have limitations on acceptable speech, especially in the political arena, which again is authoritarian.
A new Constitution would definitely have to have limitations on acceptable religions, opposing any religion considered dangerous to its people.
A new Constitution would have to allow for the stripping of citizenship and deportation of anti-Texas rhetoric, thus it would have to be authoritarian.
So, if the folks that want to separate from the US, just keep in mind that what you might get, to ensure keeping perceived threats out of Texas, is what you strived to get away from, some very serious decisions on what your new nation would be like should be considered.

Texas already has a constitution. For decades, Texas, like other states, operated as an independent state, and the FedGov's purpose was limited to the enumerated powers. Then came the 1910s and later the 1930s where the scope of the federal government was expanded to completely encroach on State powers.

EVERYTHING Texas would need to operate as an independent nation is already in place.

So, why do we need a federal government?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That is never going to happen.

The state of Texas will remain a part of the United States long after you are dead.

No one in your state congress is going to write that legislation. Much less pass it into law.

You obviously hate the United States of America. Texas will never leave the United States of America so you are much better off leaving.

You hate us a lot. Why stay where you hate?

Sell any real estate you have, if you have any, pack your stuff and leave the nation.

You don't realize you are no one. What you want is meaningless to everyone. No one in your state congress gives a rat's ass about you and what you want.

So you may as well stop banging your head against that brick wall. It will only cause you more brain damage.

The only way you will not live in the United States of America is to leave Texas and live in another nation.

So get off your fat butt and leave. No one wants you here. No one gives a rat's ass about you and what you want so you may as well go to another nation where you will be much happier.

I and many other Texans will continue to be a ridiculous pain in your commie ass until you give up and let us go.

Deal with it.

 

[bodecea]

Sadly.....enjoy your next fill up and trip to the store....

As I said, President Biden is in charge and I'm not having any problem filling up or going to the store. And I'm retired.

 

[bodecea]

Why are you still in the United States of America?

You obviously hate this nation.

All you have to do is sell your home, if you own one, pack your bags and move to another nation.

It's simple.

You don't have to wait for your state to do something that they will never do.

You obviously are miserable here and hate the United States.

So don't wait for something that will never happen, you are perfectly free to leave.

All your post scream is how much you hate the United States of America so you should just leave since you hate this nation so much.

People who love the United States never want to leave the union. They don't talk about it and they don't threaten anyone.

That would require more work than it takes to whine on social media.

 

[lennypartiv]

Vote blue not red!

People like you are why secession is an attractive option.

 

[bodecea]

Texas has 11 "deep-draft" ports.

The main ports are (in order of freight in U.S.):

• Port Houston (second)
• Port of Beaumont (fourth)
• Port of Corpus Christi (fifth)
• Port of Texas City (15th)
• Port of Port Arthur (17th) (this is Nederland)

Texas Ports - Texas DOT

I forgot about Beaumont. I suppose I assumed it was connected with Port Arthur.

"deep draft ports"..............

 

[bodecea]

I do plan to "move" to another nation---The Republic of Texas


All this back and forth and NO ONE has been able to give me ONE GOOD THING the FedGov does to better my life or the lives of millions of others.

It's USELESS, yet we still send tons of money in and get very little return on it, if any.

So...what are you actively doing to make that happen? Keep in mind, whining and crying on social media doesn't count.

 

[lennypartiv]

So much for Texas turning blue demtards....Buuuuaaaahahahaha that ship has sailed baby.....same for AZ and Florida.....

We need to finish that wall. If we don't, states like TX and AZ could turn blue. Dems have figured out how to import voters.

 

[bodecea]

Texas already has a constitution. For decades, Texas, like other states, operated as an independent state, and the FedGov's purpose was limited to the enumerated powers. Then came the 1910s and later the 1930s where the scope of the federal government was expanded to completely encroach on State powers.

EVERYTHING Texas would need to operate as an independent nation is already in place.

So, why do we need a federal government?

Why don't you just use the first Articles of Secession.....make it easy.

The Texas Ordinance of Secession - Texas Proud

The Texas Ordinance of Secession was the document that officially separated Texas from the United States in 1861. It was adopted by the Secession Convention on February 1 of that year, by a vote of 166 to 8. The adoption of the ordinance was one of a series of events that led to Texas' entry...

texasproud.com

A declaration of the causes
which impel the State of Texas to secede
from the Federal Union

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A. D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then a free, sovereign and independent nation, the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal States thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquillity and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery–the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits–a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretenses and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States.

By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.

The Federal Government, while but partially under the control of these our unnatural and sectional enemies, has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico; and when our State government has expended large amounts for such purpose, the Federal Government has refused reimbursement therefor, thus rendering our condition more insecure and harassing than it was during the existence of the Republic of Texas.

These and other wrongs we have patiently borne in the vain hope that a returning sense of justice and humanity would induce a different course of administration.

When we advert to the course of individual non-slave-holding States, and that a majority of their citizens, our grievances assume far greater magnitude.

The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions–a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color–a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

By consolidating their strength, they hare placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.

They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a “higher law” than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offences, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.

They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.

They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.

They have impoverished the slave-holding States by unequal and partial legislation, thereby enriching themselves by draining our substance.

They have refused to vote appropriations for protecting Texas against ruthless savages, for the sole reason that she is a slave-holding State.

And, finally, by the combined sectional vote of the seventeen non-slave-holding States, they have elected as president and vice-president of the whole confederacy two men whose chief claims to such high positions are their approval of these long continued wrongs, and their pledges to continue them to the final consummation of these schemes for the ruin of the slave-holding States.

In view of these and many other facts, it is meet that our own views should be distinctly proclaimed.

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States. By the secession of six of the slave-holding States, and the certainty that others will speedily do likewise, Texas has no alternative but to remain in an isolated connection with the North, or unite her destinies with the South.

For these and other reasons, solemnly asserting that the federal constitution has been violated and virtually abrogated by the several States named, seeing that the federal government is now passing under the control of our enemies to be diverted from the exalted objects of its creation to those of oppression and wrong, and realizing that our own State can no longer look for protection, but to God and her own sons – We the delegates of the people of Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America and the people thereof and confidently appeal to the intelligence and patriotism of the freeman of Texas to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month.

Adopted in Convention on the 2nd day of Feby, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one and of the independence of Texas the twenty-fifth.

 

[Dana7360]

I and many other Texans will continue to be a ridiculous pain in your commie ass until you give up and let us go.

Deal with it.

You are under the delusion that we care or pay any attention to you and people like you.

We don't.

Just like the politicians you vote for, they don't pay attention to you or give a rat's ass about you.

You are under some delusion that anyone cares about you or what you and people like you want.

No one does.

You can call a business owner a communist but we all know that commies don't own private property much less a business like I did.

You are stuck in a nation you hate with no way out.

Sucks to be you.

 

[bodecea]

I and many other Texans will continue to be a ridiculous pain in your commie ass until you give up and let us go.

Deal with it.

Whining isn't doing.....Get 'er done, Tex!

 

[Dana7360]

As I said, President Biden is in charge and I'm not having any problem filling up or going to the store. And I'm retired.

I filled my car the other day. It cost 23 dollars and some change.

I will drive over 400 miles on that tank of gas in my hybrid car.

The price of gas is no problem.

I hope it encourages people to use less and convert over to cleaner vehicles that don't need gas so we can finally be free from it's horrible grip.

I went to the grocery store the other day. No problem. The shelves were not empty like they were last year under trump.

I know that supply and demand will eventually work itself out. That's what capitalism does.

Unfortunately the conservatives on this board believe that we are a communist nation with the government controlling the price of everything.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So...what are you actively doing to make that happen? Keep in mind, whining and crying on social media doesn't count.

None of your commie fucking business.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why don't you just use the first Articles of Secession.....make it easy.

The Texas Ordinance of Secession - Texas Proud

The Texas Ordinance of Secession was the document that officially separated Texas from the United States in 1861. It was adopted by the Secession Convention on February 1 of that year, by a vote of 166 to 8. The adoption of the ordinance was one of a series of events that led to Texas' entry...

texasproud.com

Why don't you.....you know......fuck off ....and worry about your own shit?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You are under the delusion that we care or pay any attention to you and people like you.

We don't.

Just like the politicians you vote for, they don't pay attention to you or give a rat's ass about you.

You are under some delusion that anyone cares about you or what you and people like you want.

No one does.

You can call a business owner a communist but we all know that commies don't own private property much less a business like I did.

You are stuck in a nation you hate with no way out.

Sucks to be you.

We will find and vote for the most intolerable, racist, nazi, xenomorph assholes we can find who completely fuck up everything you hold dear for as long as we can.

OR

Why don't you go your way, and we can go ours?

We have ZERO in common. What you want from FedGov is WAY more than what we want, but you don't give a rats ass about us, and the feeling is mutual.

Let's quit pretending that we are united..