Ten reasons why the cattle industry is not sustainable.

[Yarddog]

Do liberals have thought patterns or even thoughts

This is not a liberal or conservative issue. It's common sense, exactly as the OP said.

It is a fact that animal agriculture is horrible for the environment, in a number of ways. It is a fact that it's not sustainable. Please don't perpetuate the false stereotype that conservatives don't care about the environment.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the "climate change" fearmongering, but there are so many other environmental issues that are actual problems, that are caused primarily by animal agriculture (which is completely unnecessary.) Forget politics, do the research and let the facts and truth lead, not preconceived misguided ideas on what you think conservatives or liberals are supposed to believe. Come on people, this knee-jerk blind partisanship is so lame and foolish.

That explains why our rural areas are such cesspools...

Oh wait a minute..they AREN'T.

If you had read my second post, it was clear I was mainly talking about big industrial agriculture, not small farms. Don't ignore the bigger picture because you want to focus on the cute little mom and pop farm. That's being willfully blind.

There is a lot of willful blindness going with the cattle industry. The negatives are easy to overlook because the data is very difficult to ascertain:
a. How much water do cattle farms REALLY use?
b. How much cattle waste is REALLY produced?
c. How much of cattle waste makes it into streams, rivers, and lakes?
d. How much 'cattle produced methane' pollutes our air?
e. How much grain do they REALLY consume?
f. How much more water does Alfalfa take to grow than other grains?
g. How many and what kind of drugs are injected into the cattle?
h. How unhealthy is cow meat to consume?
i. How many trees per year in foreign countries are being cleared for cattle ranches?

The answer is no one really knows. What is undeniable is that ALL of those negatives taken together are enough to make an effort to reduce cattle head count and acreage of cattle farms and grow more alternative livestock, crops or develop read meat substitutes. It isn't an all or nothing proposition.

Theres nothing wrong with asking these questions. Facts will be whatever they are

 

[Yarddog]

We had venison taco meat the other night and it was great. My sons who are major carnivores couldn't believe it wasn't beef.

I went to IceLand a couple years ago... they only have one city to speak of, Reykjavik, well they have this hot dog stand in a few locations... They make this hot dog made from Icelandic lamb mixed with beef, then boiled in beer and served with apple mustard and crunchy onions.. Damn! I hate hotdogs but I would just about go back to Ice Land for some more of those! better than anything I ever tried in the states.

Venison is great too ... and we have an over population of deer anyway. probably time to thin the herd

 

[buttercup]

Truth be told I am not a vegan and I don't think I could ever be. I consume a lot less beef and milk than I used to, but I still love a good steak or hamburger. As I said before it doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition. We can have a smaller, more efficient, less polluting cattle industry along with meat and milk alternatives.

I understand your position. And although I have a different perspective, I do respect that you care about the problems and negative effects of the cattle industry. That's actually a breath of fresh air, because most people are apathetic and selfish-minded. (with a me me me! attitude)

I agree that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. In fact, any decrease in meat/dairy consumption makes a difference, in terms of all the negatives mentioned in the article and more.

Btw, I've said this before but I'll say it again. I used to love steak, hamburger, bacon, cheese, all of it. I specifically remember stating out loud that I could NEVER ever go vegan or vegetarian. But here I am. The funny thing is, it's the same for most vegans, I've heard that from so many people. Then you also hear nearly all vegans say that it turned out to be the best decision they ever made. (For me it's my second best decision.) But my main reason wasn't the environment or health. It was for the animals, because I love animals, and I could never unnecessarily harm an animal. So why pay someone else to not only harm them, but put them through a literal hell on earth, just to satisfy my tastebuds? When I saw what they went through, I went vegan pretty much overnight.

 

[buttercup]

Hey... to whoever is reading this, please take 2 minutes to watch this. (For those who are sensitive, don't worry, it's not graphic at all.) Just watch it.

 

[Dekster]

Check out locals in your area who humanely raise and slaughter their cows, pigs and chickens. I shop at a local country store and get all of my meat from them. And my eggs too. Some of the shapes are pretty strange, but they're all really good. They also sell vegetables only grown by locals. The chickens who produce the eggs live in a mini palace and are treated better than most people treat their pets. There's also a country store in the next town over too. I live in a small, beautiful town right outside of Winston Salem, NC and our area has many independent farmers and small ranchers who sell to stores like the ones I described. And, no GMO's on the veggies, and no hormones in the livestock.
Then, in the summer, I have my own garden too. If we took things back to our local communities, I think we could reduce greatly what the OP has posted.

Of course you have no choice but to shop local. I-40 is always so gridlocked you would starve to death if you had to wait for outside food to get into the area

Sorry, I just despise traveling through your area. I have never not been stuck in a traffic jam on I-40 between Winston and Greensboro. I bet if I went through there at 4:30 in the morning, a bunch of old ladies would be driving side by side at 20 miles per hour just because they have nothing better to do. It is one of the reasons I never visit relatives in Kernersville. I cannot stand that road.

 

[Darkwind]

There needs to be a concerted effort to reduce beef and dairy consumption and the farms that raise them. I like a good steak as much as anyone but it takes way too much land, water and feed to produce a pound of steak. Add to that the negative affects on the environment and health. This article is a good summary of the many downsides of the cattle industry. No one wants to hurt farmers, but the trajectory has to change. We need smaller cattle farms and more meat alternatives. I don't see this as a political issue, it seems more to be a common sense issue.

10 Reasons Why the Meat and Dairy Industry Is Unsustainable | Care2 Causes

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

 

[Pilot1]

First they come for your fish, then they come for your beef, then they come for your milk, then they come for your chicken...


Seriously, they would have us live as vegans, then what will they do when crops aren’t sustainable due to floods, droughts, fire, etc.

It is all a ruse. All of it.

They want to starve us to death.
Socialism has killed more people than AIDS.

More people than AIDS, the Spanish Inquisition, the fake Indian genocide in America, Nazis, and all the rest of the wars combined.

Well I didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition.

 

[buttercup]

There needs to be a concerted effort to reduce beef and dairy consumption and the farms that raise them. I like a good steak as much as anyone but it takes way too much land, water and feed to produce a pound of steak. Add to that the negative affects on the environment and health. This article is a good summary of the many downsides of the cattle industry. No one wants to hurt farmers, but the trajectory has to change. We need smaller cattle farms and more meat alternatives. I don't see this as a political issue, it seems more to be a common sense issue.

10 Reasons Why the Meat and Dairy Industry Is Unsustainable | Care2 Causes

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

 

[Darkwind]

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

That is what you're hoping for, at the very least. I can assure you that the vast majority of this society disagrees with you and your propaganda.

The carnivores are woke and youse guys are in trouble!

 

[buttercup]

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

That is what you're hoping for, at the very least. I can assure you that the vast majority of this society disagrees with you and your propaganda.

The carnivores are woke and youse guys are in trouble!

First of all, it's ignorant to call anything that shows you're wrong "propaganda." Facts are facts. Dairy is slowly dying, farmers are shutting down, especially in places where veganism is growing fast, like in the UK. If I wanted to, I could provide you with the info that shows that, but it appears that ANYTHING that shows the direction the world is going in will be dismissed by you as "propaganda." How completely closed-minded and ignorant.

Secondly, "The carnivores are woke?" I really hope you were joking.

 

[keepitreal]

There needs to be a concerted effort to reduce beef and dairy consumption and the farms that raise them. I like a good steak as much as anyone but it takes way too much land, water and feed to produce a pound of steak. Add to that the negative affects on the environment and health. This article is a good summary of the many downsides of the cattle industry. No one wants to hurt farmers, but the trajectory has to change. We need smaller cattle farms and more meat alternatives. I don't see this as a political issue, it seems more to be a common sense issue.

10 Reasons Why the Meat and Dairy Industry Is Unsustainable | Care2 Causes

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

ROFLMFAO

Let me get this straight...

We can’t sustain an industry, the cattle industry,
which takes up way too much land, water and feed, already,
has a negative impact on the environment and health,
and is unable to keep up with the growing human population,

And, it’s only common sense to scale back,
if not do away with it altogether

Did I get that right?

We can’t sustain animals,
because they take up too much space,
need too much water, need too much food,
have a negative impact on the environment
and are a source of health problems.

We can’t sustain animals, with the growing population,
but, we can sustain the growing population
and house them, feed them, educate them,
and give them a basic income, even if they don’t want to work....
FOR FREE

Now, it’s the cattle’s fault

Oye vay

 

[keepitreal]

I’ll have a veggie burger with a side of Roundup please

 

[Marion Morrison]

There needs to be a concerted effort to reduce beef and dairy consumption and the farms that raise them. I like a good steak as much as anyone but it takes way too much land, water and feed to produce a pound of steak. Add to that the negative affects on the environment and health. This article is a good summary of the many downsides of the cattle industry. No one wants to hurt farmers, but the trajectory has to change. We need smaller cattle farms and more meat alternatives. I don't see this as a political issue, it seems more to be a common sense issue.

10 Reasons Why the Meat and Dairy Industry Is Unsustainable | Care2 Causes

Attention! Dumbass OP; Here's something not so funny: The OP idea is how people start starving, you retarded fuck! No, I don't want to see people starve, so STFU already!

 

[Marion Morrison]

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There needs to be a concerted effort to reduce beef and dairy consumption and the farms that raise them. I like a good steak as much as anyone but it takes way too much land, water and feed to produce a pound of steak. Add to that the negative affects on the environment and health. This article is a good summary of the many downsides of the cattle industry. No one wants to hurt farmers, but the trajectory has to change. We need smaller cattle farms and more meat alternatives. I don't see this as a political issue, it seems more to be a common sense issue.

10 Reasons Why the Meat and Dairy Industry Is Unsustainable | Care2 Causes

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

/——/ When libs aren’t trying to take our burgers away, they’re going after our guns.

 

[Marion Morrison]

If the UN can get more people thinking like the OP, we can have world starvation in just a few years!

Here's a thought: Cows mow grass to eat, they keep people from having to bush hog using fuel. As a bonus, they can be eaten.

One more thing: The AGW people never include grass in their studies, because it processes CO2 at a rate of 400% more than the highest plant they list.
More than trees.

 

[Cellblock2429]

If the UN can get more people thinking like the OP, we can have world starvation in just a few years!

Here's a thought: Cows mow grass to eat, they keep people from having to bush hog using fuel. As a bonus, they can be eaten.

One more thing: The AGW people never include grass in their studies, because it processes CO2 at a rate of 400% more than the highest plant they list.
More than trees.

/——/ The only grass libs care about is the kind they smoke.

 

[mudwhistle]

/---/ Go enjoy a tofu burger and leave us alone.

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

The problem is Democrats jumped at the Green New Deal without thinking what it means to every single American.
They either don't know or don't care that life would become extremely difficult for most of us if we have to give up our air-conditioners, our cars, air travel, and eating meat. This would turn America into a Socialist Shit-hole country with 340 million poor people and only a few rich party members. That is the plan of the Democrats. That is communism.

 

[buttercup]

I don't like tofu anymore than you. I am talking about an industry that can't continue growing with human population.

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

I know you're just playing, but just in case anyone actually thinks that... nobody wants them to starve to death. The reason there are so many farm animals is because we (human beings) breed them into existence, for the sole purpose of exploiting and eating them. When the demand decreases, less farm animals will be bred into existence. As it is, most food goes to feeding livestock. There would be TONS more food, if we didn't give it all to livestock.

 

[Marion Morrison]

It can, and will.

Actually, people are waking up, en masse, to all the negatives (and there are many) of the animal industries in general, and more and more people are going vegan everyday. So, I'm sorry but you're just wrong. All those industries are slowly dying. Not just meat and dairy, but also things like fur, products tested on animals, etc. It's all about supply and demand. There is less demand for those things the more people learn about what actually goes on, and there is a fast growing demand for vegan or cruelty-free products.

Got Milk? A Tale Of Two Cities
White gold: the unstoppable rise of alternative milks
Vegan Statistics: Why The Global Rise in Plant-Based Eating Isn’t A Fad

I think a lot of this has to do with the internet, because it has exposed so many things that decades ago people simply didn't see. So thank God for the internet!

I know that right now this is a very unpopular position to hold around here, but veganism is the future. Not only can we see that happening with our own eyes, it's also the future from a biblical perspective (Isaiah 11:6-9, Hosea 2:18, etc.)

Yeah, yeah. We've discussed your propaganda before...

I know it's hard for you to accept that those barbaric, archaic industries are slowly dying, while the demand for plant-based products is growing, but that's what's happening. Waving it off and calling it propaganda is like a toddler putting his hands over his ears and saying "la la la la la." But you do you.

I know you're just playing, but just in case anyone actually thinks that... nobody wants them to starve to death. The reason there are so many farm animals is because we (human beings) breed them into existence, for the sole purpose of exploiting and eating them. When the demand decreases, less farm animals will be bred into existence. As it is, most food goes to feeding livestock. There would be TONS more food, if we didn't give it all to livestock.

Yeah, I'm not into eating cracked corn as a staple, sorry.

Grits are a staple, but only with bacon, eggs, ribeye, sausage, and/or ham too.
I forgot butter and milk, too. Cheese is optional.