Tennessee Seeks tonBar Same Sex Marriage

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I completely agree!!

That being the case - then why did you enable Gay adoption ? A logical falasy - but then again you , yourself are an illogical PHallic

A final word to all of the low life bigots who shamelessly use propaganda about children in their failed war on equality. I’m sure that these figures are much higher now

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include:

• An estimated two million LGLB people are interested in adopting.

• An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

• More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.

• Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

• Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

How Many U.S. Children Have Gay Parents?

In addition, adoption is legal in all 50 states. Generally, acceptance of gay and lesbian adoption has been way out in front of same sex marriage. In some states, it has been occurring for decades.

Given these numbers, please answer the following questions:

• If children who are in the care of gay people are at risk of abuse or having developmental/ adjustment issues why have the states been allowing this for so long?

• If mistreatment of children by gays was prevalent, why are we not hearing horror stories and seeing headlines about this on a regular basis ?

• Why have we not been seeing large numbers of adults who had been children of gays coming forward to speak out against gay parenting?

Claims that gay parenting is harmful to children are bogus and stupid.

Re: "Why have we not been seeing large numbers of adults who had been children of gays coming forward to speak out against gay parenting?"

Yo Dumbass - Gay parenting in any large volume has not been around long enough for these kids to have grown up - AND when they do reach adulthood - if they reach adulthood - the likelihood of them turning against the only family they have known is miniscule. In fact Research suggests that roughly 1/3 of all individuals who were themselves abused as children will in turn subject children to the same treatment when they reach adult status. [ Breaking the cycle of abuse : how to move beyond your past to create an abuse-free future. Engel, Beverly.

Pg. 214 ] So in effect what you are creating is a cycle of abuse while fostering a new generation of degenerates - a perverts paradise.


Re: "If mistreatment of children by gays was prevalent, why are we not hearing horror stories and seeing headlines about this on a regular basis ?" Media Suppression

Re: "If children who are in the care of gay people are at risk of abuse or having developmental/ adjustment issues why have the states been allowing this for so long?" ROFL - you're truly a special kinda stupid aren't you ??

I 'm the dumb ass???

How Many Children Have Gay Parents in the US?
How Many U.S. Children Have Gay Parents?
In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents. Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include: ... Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

Where are all the horror stories and dysfunctional adults that they produced.

1. The topic was adoption - there has always been faggots who sired kids with normal women and dikes who did the same with normal men ... you do understand the difference between popping a kid out the vaginal rabbit hole and plucking some poor innocent little toddler from an orphanage do you not ? The data you provided is useless - although it does state "include: ... Adopted children with same-sex parents'" THOSE ONLY COVER A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE AND THE LINK [LACK] FAILS TO STATE PERCENTAGES of queer vs normal parents. Capice Bozo ?

The topic is , or has become parenting by gays and lesbians. Read the fucking post, Slick

 

[Dana7360]

There is no "gay marriage right." You're confusing "rights" with "privileges".

You also have no "right" to an abortion, a free education, free internet, free housing, free food, or a free telephone. Go back and re-read the Constitution and get back to me when you're done.

Yes, you are correct that there is not "right" to be married. However, if the gov't offers benefits to citizens, they must be offered equally.

The 14th Amendment is the law of the land. The equal protection clause applies here.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I still do not understand why same sex marriage is an issue. It is consenting adults entering into the state of matrimony. It has no effect on anyone else except those who marry someone of the same gender.

It sure seems to have an effect on those from the right, conservatives, Republicans, etc.

These assholes ALWAYS want to put their goddamn noses into everyone elses fvcking business, like some old fvcking maid.

You people have no right to redefine what my marriage means, nor can you cheapen the institution of marriage and the God who defined it as such. Marriage is a holy union between one man and one woman as God defined it. That's the way it has always been and shall always be. Otherwise you are denying the existence of God, which is probably not the smartest thing to do.

Which God? The Judeo-Christian God? The God of the Muslims? The God of the Hindus?

There is only one God: The God of Abraham, Moses, and Issac. The God whose Son was crucified on the cross so that we all my be forgiven.

Everything else is false doctrine.

So you don't believe in freedom of religion. You believe anyone who doesn't believe the same as you believe are all involved with false doctrine.

You expect to have the freedom to follow any religion you want. Yet you don't believe anyone else should have the same freedom.

You expect to be able to love and marry anyone you want yet you don't believe everyone else should have that same freedom.

So while no homosexual is forcing their faith on you, none of them are forcing you to be in a relationship with another person if your sex, you expect to be able to tell homosexual people they don't have the freedom and respect that those homosexuals are giving you.

This is the United States of America. Where everyone has freedom of religion. Not just you and people who agree with your views. Everyone has the same civil rights. Not just you and those who agree with your views.

My faith has absolutely no problem with homosexuals or heterosexuals. My faith believes that what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home and relationship is their business and no one else.

I wonder what you would do if someone told you your god is a false doctrine and our government shouldn't allow you to marry the person you love?

Finally I find it very sick that you spend your time worrying about what total strangers are doing. I guess you don't have a life that keeps you much too busy to stick your nose into complete strangers lives.

 

[WinterBorn]

Any group who has been historically marginalized, beaten down, and discriminated against will have higher rates of mental health and physical problems. Those problems are not caused by their being gay in and of itself. They are caused by people like you. You have blood on your hands

You just revealed the motivation behind your entire "movement." You don't want "equal rights", do you? You want a special government-protected status and a shiny little sticker on your forehead that reads "Victim."

"Ohhh woe is mee!! Dem bad ol' straight people done done me wrong!!!"

Sorry, hillbilly. We'un done got us enough "victims" in this world. Youse needs to git in line behind dem wemmins and black folks, Dey's was here first.

Like Jussie Smollet ..... Nice post but your talent is wasted on these dullards . Progressive has a wooden dick and winterborn has splinters in his mouth

Guess that's what I get for being so idealistic, believing mankind is inherently good, and that people can change themselves for the better

To hell with it. I give up on those leftist zipperheads.

I have seen no research that shows homosexuals can change to heterosexual orientation. At least not honestly.

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

 

[GreenBean]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?

 

[GreenBean]

You just revealed the motivation behind your entire "movement." You don't want "equal rights", do you? You want a special government-protected status and a shiny little sticker on your forehead that reads "Victim."

"Ohhh woe is mee!! Dem bad ol' straight people done done me wrong!!!"

Sorry, hillbilly. We'un done got us enough "victims" in this world. Youse needs to git in line behind dem wemmins and black folks, Dey's was here first.

Like Jussie Smollet ..... Nice post but your talent is wasted on these dullards . Progressive has a wooden dick and winterborn has splinters in his mouth

Guess that's what I get for being so idealistic, believing mankind is inherently good, and that people can change themselves for the better

To hell with it. I give up on those leftist zipperheads.

I have seen no research that shows homosexuals can change to heterosexual orientation. At least not honestly.

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I 'm the dumb ass???

Yes - I thought that pretty much went without saying - stupid is as stupid does progressive - how is your brother Daryl and your other brother daryl - still using the old KY Jelly are you ?

You seem to be loosing it slick, as if you ever had it. You already abysmal level of discourse is in full retard mode. Now getting beck to the topic of parenting and to further refute your contention that same sex parenting is to new and the numbers are insufficient to know the outcomes, I give you this from the Netherlands where they are studying children of same sex parents born since 1995.

Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents Do Better In School

A new study indicates children raised by same-sex couples perform better in school than those of opposite-sex parents, reports The Washington Post.

Using government data tracking all children born between 1995 to 2005 in the Netherlands, researchers found children with same-sex parents scored higher on tests in elementary and secondary school, and had a seven percent higher likelihood of graduating from high school than children reared by a mom and dad.

Information including educational performance, family income and more was utilized in the massive study which followed over 1 million children, including 1,200 children raised by same-sex parents.

And by the way, common sense would tell you that if there problems with the children, they would come to light long before they became adults -and I have already presented the stats for this country.

Now, lets try an experiment with you. Lets see if you can formulate a civil, relevant and intelligent response without name calling. My guess is that you cant'

 

[GreenBean]

That being the case - then why did you enable Gay adoption ? A logical falasy - but then again you , yourself are an illogical PHallic

A final word to all of the low life bigots who shamelessly use propaganda about children in their failed war on equality. I’m sure that these figures are much higher now

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include:

• An estimated two million LGLB people are interested in adopting.

• An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

• More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.

• Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

• Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

How Many U.S. Children Have Gay Parents?

In addition, adoption is legal in all 50 states. Generally, acceptance of gay and lesbian adoption has been way out in front of same sex marriage. In some states, it has been occurring for decades.

Given these numbers, please answer the following questions:

• If children who are in the care of gay people are at risk of abuse or having developmental/ adjustment issues why have the states been allowing this for so long?

• If mistreatment of children by gays was prevalent, why are we not hearing horror stories and seeing headlines about this on a regular basis ?

• Why have we not been seeing large numbers of adults who had been children of gays coming forward to speak out against gay parenting?

Claims that gay parenting is harmful to children are bogus and stupid.

Re: "Why have we not been seeing large numbers of adults who had been children of gays coming forward to speak out against gay parenting?"

Yo Dumbass - Gay parenting in any large volume has not been around long enough for these kids to have grown up - AND when they do reach adulthood - if they reach adulthood - the likelihood of them turning against the only family they have known is miniscule. In fact Research suggests that roughly 1/3 of all individuals who were themselves abused as children will in turn subject children to the same treatment when they reach adult status. [ Breaking the cycle of abuse : how to move beyond your past to create an abuse-free future. Engel, Beverly.

Pg. 214 ] So in effect what you are creating is a cycle of abuse while fostering a new generation of degenerates - a perverts paradise.


Re: "If mistreatment of children by gays was prevalent, why are we not hearing horror stories and seeing headlines about this on a regular basis ?" Media Suppression

Re: "If children who are in the care of gay people are at risk of abuse or having developmental/ adjustment issues why have the states been allowing this for so long?" ROFL - you're truly a special kinda stupid aren't you ??

I 'm the dumb ass???

How Many Children Have Gay Parents in the US?
How Many U.S. Children Have Gay Parents?
In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents. Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include: ... Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

Where are all the horror stories and dysfunctional adults that they produced.

1. The topic was adoption - there has always been faggots who sired kids with normal women and dikes who did the same with normal men ... you do understand the difference between popping a kid out the vaginal rabbit hole and plucking some poor innocent little toddler from an orphanage do you not ? The data you provided is useless - although it does state "include: ... Adopted children with same-sex parents'" THOSE ONLY COVER A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE AND THE LINK [LACK] FAILS TO STATE PERCENTAGES of queer vs normal parents. Capice Bozo ?

The topic is , or has become parenting by gays and lesbians. Read the fucking post, Slick

Wrong Again Dumbass - you replied to this post

That being the case - then why did you enable Gay adoption ? A logical falasy - but then again you , yourself are an illogical PHallic

A final word to all of the low life bigots who shamelessly use propaganda about children in their failed war on equality. I’m sure that these figures are much higher now

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include:

• An estimated two million LGLB people are interested in adopting.

• An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

• More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.

• Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

• Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

How Many U.S. Children Have Gay Parents?

In addition, adoption is legal in all 50 states. Generally, acceptance of gay and lesbian adoption has been way out in front of same sex marriage. In some states, it has been occurring for decades.

Given these numbers, please answer the following questions:

• If children who are in the care of gay people are at risk of abuse or having developmental/ adjustment issues why have the states been allowing this for so long?

• If mistreatment of children by gays was prevalent, why are we not hearing horror stories and seeing headlines about this on a regular basis ?

• Why have we not been seeing large numbers of adults who had been children of gays coming forward to speak out against gay parenting?

Claims that gay parenting is harmful to children are bogus and stupid.

Re: "Why have we not been seeing large numbers of adults who had been children of gays coming forward to speak out against gay parenting?"

Yo Dumbass - Gay parenting in any large volume has not been around long enough for these kids to have grown up - AND when they do reach adulthood - if they reach adulthood - the likelihood of them turning against the only family they have known is miniscule. In fact Research suggests that roughly 1/3 of all individuals who were themselves abused as children will in turn subject children to the same treatment when they reach adult status. [ Breaking the cycle of abuse : how to move beyond your past to create an abuse-free future. Engel, Beverly.

Pg. 214 ] So in effect what you are creating is a cycle of abuse while fostering a new generation of degenerates - a perverts paradise.


Re: "If mistreatment of children by gays was prevalent, why are we not hearing horror stories and seeing headlines about this on a regular basis ?" Media Suppression

Re: "If children who are in the care of gay people are at risk of abuse or having developmental/ adjustment issues why have the states been allowing this for so long?" ROFL - you're truly a special kinda stupid aren't you ??

I 'm the dumb ass???

How Many Children Have Gay Parents in the US?
How Many U.S. Children Have Gay Parents?
In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents. Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include: ... Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

Where are all the horror stories and dysfunctional adults that they produced.

1. The topic was adoption - there has always been faggots who sired kids with normal women and dikes who did the same with normal men ... you do understand the difference between popping a kid out the vaginal rabbit hole and plucking some poor innocent little toddler from an orphanage do you not ? The data you provided is useless - although it does state "include: ... Adopted children with same-sex parents'" THOSE ONLY COVER A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE AND THE LINK [LACK] FAILS TO STATE PERCENTAGES of queer vs normal parents. Capice Bozo ?

The topic is , or has become parenting by gays and lesbians. Read the fucking post, Slick

That's the post you replied to slick - I can't really fault you for some of your infantile errors considering you're working with limited mental faculties - are you brain damaged or were you born that way ?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar!

 

[GreenBean]

I 'm the dumb ass???

Yes - I thought that pretty much went without saying - stupid is as stupid does progressive - how is your brother Daryl and your other brother daryl - still using the old KY Jelly are you ?

You seem to be loosing it slick, as if you ever had it. You already abysmal level of discourse is in full retard mode. Now getting beck to the topic of parenting and to further refute your contention that same sex parenting is to new and the numbers are insufficient to know the outcomes, I give you this from the Netherlands where they are studying children of same sex parents born since 1995.

Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents Do Better In School

A new study indicates children raised by same-sex couples perform better in school than those of opposite-sex parents, reports The Washington Post.

Using government data tracking all children born between 1995 to 2005 in the Netherlands, researchers found children with same-sex parents scored higher on tests in elementary and secondary school, and had a seven percent higher likelihood of graduating from high school than children reared by a mom and dad.

Information including educational performance, family income and more was utilized in the massive study which followed over 1 million children, including 1,200 children raised by same-sex parents.

And by the way, common sense would tell you that if there problems with the children, they would come to light long before they became adults -and I have already presented the stats for this country.

Now, lets try an experiment with you. Lets see if you can formulate a civil, relevant and intelligent response without name calling. My guess is that you cant'

For once you're right I shant respond in a civil manner to scum such as you - now how about explaining the plagiarism factor mentioned above ? It's possible there's an explanation why your post is only 15% original content - maybe the professional authors stole it from you ?!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

 

[GreenBean]

I 'm the dumb ass???

Yes - I thought that pretty much went without saying - stupid is as stupid does progressive - how is your brother Daryl and your other brother daryl - still using the old KY Jelly are you ?

You seem to be loosing it slick, as if you ever had it. You already abysmal level of discourse is in full retard mode. Now getting beck to the topic of parenting and to further refute your contention that same sex parenting is to new and the numbers are insufficient to know the outcomes, I give you this from the Netherlands where they are studying children of same sex parents born since 1995.

Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents Do Better In School

A new study indicates children raised by same-sex couples perform better in school than those of opposite-sex parents, reports The Washington Post.

Using government data tracking all children born between 1995 to 2005 in the Netherlands, researchers found children with same-sex parents scored higher on tests in elementary and secondary school, and had a seven percent higher likelihood of graduating from high school than children reared by a mom and dad.

Information including educational performance, family income and more was utilized in the massive study which followed over 1 million children, including 1,200 children raised by same-sex parents.

And by the way, common sense would tell you that if there problems with the children, they would come to light long before they became adults -and I have already presented the stats for this country.

Now, lets try an experiment with you. Lets see if you can formulate a civil, relevant and intelligent response without name calling. My guess is that you cant'

For once you're right I shant respond in a civil manner to scum such as you - now how about explaining the plagiarism factor mentioned above ? It's possible there's an explanation why your post is only 15% original content - maybe the professional authors stole it from you ?!

Just Google 'Free online plagiarism checker' - there's a number of sites that will do it for you - skip the first 3 or 4 results as they aren't really free anyone can do it - even you

 

[WinterBorn]

Like Jussie Smollet ..... Nice post but your talent is wasted on these dullards . Progressive has a wooden dick and winterborn has splinters in his mouth

Guess that's what I get for being so idealistic, believing mankind is inherently good, and that people can change themselves for the better

To hell with it. I give up on those leftist zipperheads.

I have seen no research that shows homosexuals can change to heterosexual orientation. At least not honestly.

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

 

[GreenBean]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

And that is not all

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources !

Is that a screen capture of your mind - empty ?

 

[Polishprince]

I 'm the dumb ass???

Yes - I thought that pretty much went without saying - stupid is as stupid does progressive - how is your brother Daryl and your other brother daryl - still using the old KY Jelly are you ?

You seem to be loosing it slick, as if you ever had it. You already abysmal level of discourse is in full retard mode. Now getting beck to the topic of parenting and to further refute your contention that same sex parenting is to new and the numbers are insufficient to know the outcomes, I give you this from the Netherlands where they are studying children of same sex parents born since 1995.

Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents Do Better In School

A new study indicates children raised by same-sex couples perform better in school than those of opposite-sex parents, reports The Washington Post.

Using government data tracking all children born between 1995 to 2005 in the Netherlands, researchers found children with same-sex parents scored higher on tests in elementary and secondary school, and had a seven percent higher likelihood of graduating from high school than children reared by a mom and dad.

Information including educational performance, family income and more was utilized in the massive study which followed over 1 million children, including 1,200 children raised by same-sex parents.

And by the way, common sense would tell you that if there problems with the children, they would come to light long before they became adults -and I have already presented the stats for this country.

Now, lets try an experiment with you. Lets see if you can formulate a civil, relevant and intelligent response without name calling. My guess is that you cant'

For once you're right I shant respond in a civil manner to scum such as you - now how about explaining the plagiarism factor mentioned above ? It's possible there's an explanation why your post is only 15% original content - maybe the professional authors stole it from you ?!

Libtards all have the same talking points, they all sound the same with same stupid ass arguments

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I 'm the dumb ass???

Yes - I thought that pretty much went without saying - stupid is as stupid does progressive - how is your brother Daryl and your other brother daryl - still using the old KY Jelly are you ?

You seem to be loosing it slick, as if you ever had it. You already abysmal level of discourse is in full retard mode. Now getting beck to the topic of parenting and to further refute your contention that same sex parenting is to new and the numbers are insufficient to know the outcomes, I give you this from the Netherlands where they are studying children of same sex parents born since 1995.

Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents Do Better In School

A new study indicates children raised by same-sex couples perform better in school than those of opposite-sex parents, reports The Washington Post.

Using government data tracking all children born between 1995 to 2005 in the Netherlands, researchers found children with same-sex parents scored higher on tests in elementary and secondary school, and had a seven percent higher likelihood of graduating from high school than children reared by a mom and dad.

Information including educational performance, family income and more was utilized in the massive study which followed over 1 million children, including 1,200 children raised by same-sex parents.

And by the way, common sense would tell you that if there problems with the children, they would come to light long before they became adults -and I have already presented the stats for this country.

Now, lets try an experiment with you. Lets see if you can formulate a civil, relevant and intelligent response without name calling. My guess is that you cant'

For once you're right I shant respond in a civil manner to scum such as you - now how about explaining the plagiarism factor mentioned above ? It's possible there's an explanation why your post is only 15% original content - maybe the professional authors stole it from you ?!

You're still lying, Bitch!

 

[GreenBean]

Guess that's what I get for being so idealistic, believing mankind is inherently good, and that people can change themselves for the better

To hell with it. I give up on those leftist zipperheads.

I have seen no research that shows homosexuals can change to heterosexual orientation. At least not honestly.

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much reading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading a less biased article which states ....

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

 

[GreenBean]

I 'm the dumb ass???

Yes - I thought that pretty much went without saying - stupid is as stupid does progressive - how is your brother Daryl and your other brother daryl - still using the old KY Jelly are you ?

You seem to be loosing it slick, as if you ever had it. You already abysmal level of discourse is in full retard mode. Now getting beck to the topic of parenting and to further refute your contention that same sex parenting is to new and the numbers are insufficient to know the outcomes, I give you this from the Netherlands where they are studying children of same sex parents born since 1995.

Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents Do Better In School

A new study indicates children raised by same-sex couples perform better in school than those of opposite-sex parents, reports The Washington Post.

Using government data tracking all children born between 1995 to 2005 in the Netherlands, researchers found children with same-sex parents scored higher on tests in elementary and secondary school, and had a seven percent higher likelihood of graduating from high school than children reared by a mom and dad.

Information including educational performance, family income and more was utilized in the massive study which followed over 1 million children, including 1,200 children raised by same-sex parents.

And by the way, common sense would tell you that if there problems with the children, they would come to light long before they became adults -and I have already presented the stats for this country.

Now, lets try an experiment with you. Lets see if you can formulate a civil, relevant and intelligent response without name calling. My guess is that you cant'

For once you're right I shant respond in a civil manner to scum such as you - now how about explaining the plagiarism factor mentioned above ? It's possible there's an explanation why your post is only 15% original content - maybe the professional authors stole it from you ?!

You're still lying, Bitch!

PROVE IT Sweety

 

[WinterBorn]

I have seen no research that shows homosexuals can change to heterosexual orientation. At least not honestly.

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

Given the fact that homosexuality has been around as long as mankind, and was severely punished for centuries, I doubt most homosexuals would choose that orientation.

 

[JGalt]

I have seen no research that shows homosexuals can change to heterosexual orientation. At least not honestly.

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

 

[bodecea]

They obviously have no control over their behavior. I can choose to go out and screw as many women as I want to or even have sex with a herd of sheep.

But I don't. Those things are not within the realm of what's considered "normal behavior."

Anyone can control whether they have sex or not.

What they cannot control is who they find attractive or who they love.

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

Explain why 40% of identical twins who have a gay sibling are also gay.