Tennessee Seeks tonBar Same Sex Marriage

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

 

[Polishprince]

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

 

[Dana7360]

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

And that is not all

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

Nearly four years after the Supreme Court made same-sex marriage legal throughout the U.S. in its landmark Obergefell v. Hodges decision, Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are attempting to turn back the clock with legislation aimed at barring gay marriage in the state.


The "Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act," which was first proposed in 2016, seeks to "defend natural marriage between one man and one woman regardless of any court decision to the contrary." The bill, which was reintroduced on Friday, would deem the high court's Obergefell decision "unauthoritative, void, and of no effect."

And that is not all

The reintroduced "natural marriage" law, however, "isn't the only anti-LGBT bill on the docket right now," noted Sanders. He said there are at least five other bills in the state legislature that may threaten the rights of LGBTQ people in Tennessee. One of these bills, which was introduced in both the state House and Senate (Pody is the sponsor of the Senate bill), seeks to allow private adoption agencies to decline to participate in any child placement services that would "violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions." This type of legislation, which can already be found in 10 states across the U.S., creates barriers for LGBTQ individuals and same-sex couples looking to adopt or foster.

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

What you're failing to consider is that I don't give a flying fuck about what YOUR president is suggesting, or what the bible says. Please compare and contrast the modern Netherlands- the first country to legalize same sex marriage-with the ancient Sodom and Gomora. Better yet , just shut up!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

And that is not all

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

 

[Kittymom1026]

That's Opinion not fact .... get the splinters outta your mouth it's giving you a lisp

I have never read any statement by any homosexual that stated otherwise.

If you are not a homosexual, you have no way of knowing. If you are......

I guess then you haven't done much reading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading a less biased article which states ....

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

Why would you need to control it?

Do you control heterosexuality?

OH GOODY ...My old buddy Norton, I get to bitch smack you again !?

Once again you prove that you are unable to have a civil, adult discussion, with anyone. You behave like someone who has some serious problems on many levels.

Like he doth protest too much?

 

[Rustic]

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

What you're failing to consider is that I don't give a flying fuck about what YOUR president is suggesting, or what the bible says. Please compare and contrast the modern Netherlands- the first country to legalize same sex marriage-with the ancient Sodom and Gomora. Better yet , just shut up!

 

[Kittymom1026]

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

What you're failing to consider is that I don't give a flying fuck about what YOUR president is suggesting, or what the bible says. Please compare and contrast the modern Netherlands- the first country to legalize same sex marriage-with the ancient Sodom and Gomora. Better yet , just shut up!

Ah, I see another selfie video.

 

[GreenBean]

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

 

[GreenBean]

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



View attachment 246548

You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

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[bodecea]

I guess then you haven't done much treading on the topic - outside of leftist publications - try reading an less biased article which states

" If someone is born homosexual, the claim that he/she has no control over their perversion, the false assumption that their homosexuality is a product of their birth over which they have no control then why use the terms "sexual preference" or "alternative lifestyle" both of which imply that they have chosen their lifestyle. .... The only scientific evidence cited when passing the resolution to declassify Homosexuality as a mental illness was based on studies by Alfred Kinsey, who admitted that he flubbed his results and Dr. Evelyn Hooker." Homosexuality as a Mental Illness Now we are in agreement that being queer is probably a birth defect and not an acquired trait in the majority of instances - but its far from settled science

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

If you'd actually read the bible, you know that the "sins" of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with gays or gay marriage....it had to do with inhospitality.

 

[GreenBean]

 

[GreenBean]

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

If you'd actually read the bible, you know that the "sins" of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with gays or gay marriage....it had to do with inhospitality.

Sweety - I'm not even a Christian and I know thats a pile of horse shit .... I have studied the bible extensively - which is why I am not a Christian - but you are simply posting false horse feathers

In Leviticus 18.22 it says that it is an abomination for a man to lie with another man as with a woman. In Lev. 20.13 the death penalty is prescribed in Israel for such an act, along with adultery, incest, and bestiality. Now sometimes homosexual advocates make light of these prohibitions by comparing them to prohibitions in the Old Testament against having contact with unclean animals like pigs. Just as Christians today don’t obey all of the Old Testament ceremonial laws, so, they say, we don’t have to obey the prohibitions of homosexual actions. But the problem with this argument is that the New Testament reaffirms the validity of the Old Testament prohibitions of homosexual behavior, as we’ll see below. This shows they were not just part of the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament, which were done away with, but were part of God’s everlasting moral law. Homosexual behavior is in God’s sight a serious sin. The third place where homosexual acts are mentioned in the Old Testament is the horrifying story in Genesis 19 of the attempted gang rape of Lot’s visitors by the men of Sodom, from which our word sodomy derives. God destroyed the city of Sodom because of their wickedness.

 

[Kittymom1026]

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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

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It's amazing how interested you are in gay sex. I think it's time for you to come out of the closet because true straight men could not care less about it and you sir, are obsessed with it.

 

[bodecea]

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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



View attachment 246548

You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

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Good for them....they look to be a lovely couple.

 

[Polishprince]

There is no "gay gene" that's passed on from parents to their children. So that would mean that it's either either a defect or a behavior.

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

If you'd actually read the bible, you know that the "sins" of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with gays or gay marriage....it had to do with inhospitality.

I would like to say two things to that.

First off, nothing more inhospitable that f'ing someone in the a. If you'll remember that's what the homosexuals of Sodom wanted to do to the angels who were the Lot Family's house guests.

But also consider the name of the town itself. They named it after an act of homosexual intercourse, just like Bumfuck,Egypt.

 

[GreenBean]

You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

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Good for them....they look to be a lovely couple.

Couple of what ?

 

[JGalt]

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act' seeks to strip gay marriage rights


I really have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with these people! My only question is, are they so stupid and blindly driven by their bigotry that they don't know that any federal judge will immediately slap on injunction on this- because they would have to given the Obergefell precedent- OR is a a strategy to get the case back to SCOTUS?

My guess is that they are anticipating and provoking a court fight, but even if it gets to SCOTUS there is no certainty that Obergefell will be overturned. Never in our history a right-once established- been revoked. A Roberts, who seems to have become the new swing vote, is aware of the outrage that would insue and the stain on his legacy that it would inflict.

And that is not all

These people have to be, and will be stopped.

Gays have no "right" to be married. They were given access to a civil union. Accomplishes the same thing without poking a finger in the eye of those who hold marriage as sacred.

Here's to a thumb in your eye big guy:

Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.

And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.

Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"

All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it


Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

We had experience with civil unions here in New Jersey. It did not go well:

Since New Jersey’s civil union law took effect in February 2007, many employers across New Jersey have refused to recognize civil unions as equal to marriage, and therefore do not grant equal health benefits to partners of employees. Employers and hospitals say that if the legislature intended for the civil union law to be the same as marriage, the legislature would have used the same name.

Because these employers and hospitals don’t recognize civil unions as they would marriage, many same-sex couples go without adequate health insurance – a horror in this economy. And because of the real-world disparity between civil unions and marriage, some hospitals do not allow civil union partners to make medical decisions for one another, or even to visit one another in the emergency room. http://www.gardenstateequality.org/issues/civilunions/


Here is more:

Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality

This article first appeared in The Sunday Star-Ledger on Feb. 17, 2008.

When civil unions became available one year ago, Gina Pastino of Upper Montclair was "thrilled" to form one with her partner of a dozen years, Naomi Cohen.



But the couple are frustrated after a year of trying to explain -- at the bank, the passport office and repeatedly in hospitals -- that their civil union entitles them to be treated like spouses.

"People don't understand what civil unions are," said Cohen.

Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.

Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union.

"It only puts us in a precarious legal situation," said Ford. "Now we have a civil union with no benefit and only detriment." Report: Civil union law fails to achieve goal of equality


And New Jersey is not the only state to experience a failure to achieve equality through civil unions:

Equality Illinois Says State Civil Union Law a Failure Chicago Family Law Attorneys - Divorce Lawyer Illinois

And let’s not forget that the federal government only recognizes “marriage “ for the myriad of benefits and privileges that are attached to that status. Change federal laws and regulations? Good luck with that. We can’t even get a none discrimination law in employmen passed. Back in New Jersey, a state judge ordered the issuance of marriage licenses to same sex couples following the Windsor decision by SCOTUS for just that reason. Previously, the state supreme court had ruled that same sex couples must be treated the same as opposite sex couples but that it did not have to be called marriage. Once the section of DOMA that dealt with federal benefits for married same sex couple was overturned, there was no longer even a pretense of equality in same sex unions could be called marriage.

Hey Dumbass - I ran your post on several plagiarism checkers ... one stated it was totally plagiarized but when I check I found it was referencing your post from the political hotwire. When you eliminate that post it turns out you actually did write 15% of the post all by yourself - did you do it without help from your brother Daryl and your other brother Daryl ???? Poorly written - partially plagiarized, but only a small percentage - that was the good parts. Same thing I said when I read it on the political hotwire .... some sections you stole from the NY Daily News and there's even a piece you stole from the ACLU ... like I said you're a special kinda stupid aren't you little fella ?



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You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Lordy lordy lordy, I wondered how long it would be before some zipperhead brought up the "Russian" accusation. Took you long enough, but your didn't fail to deliver.

You can almost set your clock by the predictability of some leftard invoking the Russian version of Godwin's Law. Be sure to check your closet for Russians tonight, before you turn in.

 

[JGalt]

You're a fucking shameless liar! I provided links to all of my sources

You're a fucking shameless liar!

The person you're replying to is a Russian bot.

It doesn't deserve your time or effort. All it will do is all it can to tick you off at conservatives to create more divide.

Look at the date that person came here. It's been here for two and a half months. It's got more than 5 thousand posts in that short time.

Where as I've been here since 2014 and have less posts that that person in nearly 5 years. I only have 46 hundred posts.

Notice how the posts from that person are so far right extreme from normal Americans and it doesn't seem to have any understanding or knowledge of our constitution.

The maga hat guy is a russian bot too.

The Russian bots are back in force doing what they do best, divide our people and everything they can too help trump get reelected.

The only response to that poster is "How's the weather in moscow comrade?"

Holly crap!! Really? Thanks!!! How did you find out?

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It's amazing how interested you are in gay sex. I think it's time for you to come out of the closet because true straight men could not care less about it and you sir, are obsessed with it.

You do know that every time a liberal uses that inane piece of logic, a kitten dies, don't you?

So by the same reasoning, I must be a closet gun-hater because I own so many of the damned things, right?

Or I must really love liver and onions, because the thought of it makes me want to puke, right?

Or how about this: I'm really a closet Democrat because I vote Republican every election.

Now do you see why we conservatives think you people have some loose screws upstairs?

 

[Silhouette]

You don't know that much do you

Study Finds Epigenetics, Not Genetics, Underlies Homosexuality

Aside from genetics, there are other factors that can effect sexual orientation

UC Berkeley Psychologist Finds Evidence That Male Hormones In The Womb Affect Sexual Orientation

In any case, this contradicts the "defect of behavior" horseshit

We already beat the shit out of that article last time you posted it UC BERKELY gimme a fucking break ....

You didn't beat the shit out of anything! Where did you go to school? Trump U? Did you go to school?

I think what you're failing to consider is history. Our President has suggested that the American people become more biblically literate.

If you study the bible, you can see how poorly Gay Marriage and Sodomy worked out for the city of Sodom as well as Gomorrah. Sodom adopted its name, because of the high amount of sodomy being performed within its city limits. The city did not survive.

If you'd actually read the bible, you know that the "sins" of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with gays or gay marriage....it had to do with inhospitality.

Sweety - I'm not even a Christian and I know thats a pile of horse shit .... I have studied the bible extensively - which is why I am not a Christian - but you are simply posting false horse feathers

In Leviticus 18.22 it says that it is an abomination for a man to lie with another man as with a woman. In Lev. 20.13 the death penalty is prescribed in Israel for such an act, along with adultery, incest, and bestiality. Now sometimes homosexual advocates make light of these prohibitions by comparing them to prohibitions in the Old Testament against having contact with unclean animals like pigs. Just as Christians today don’t obey all of the Old Testament ceremonial laws, so, they say, we don’t have to obey the prohibitions of homosexual actions. But the problem with this argument is that the New Testament reaffirms the validity of the Old Testament prohibitions of homosexual behavior, as we’ll see below. This shows they were not just part of the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament, which were done away with, but were part of God’s everlasting moral law. Homosexual behavior is in God’s sight a serious sin. The third place where homosexual acts are mentioned in the Old Testament is the horrifying story in Genesis 19 of the attempted gang rape of Lot’s visitors by the men of Sodom, from which our word sodomy derives. God destroyed the city of Sodom because of their wickedness.

Which is why it’s important to understand that the New Testament came along as Jesus’ more reasonable modification of old Jewish laws. Even still, Jesus reminds his followers in Roman’s 1 & Jude 1 that the particular prohibition (gay culture & behaviors) are in even his eyes, just as calling for God’s wrath.