Terminating healthcare workers backfires

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Then why can you still get covid and spread it.

OMG.
People get the common flu shot every year, some people still get the flu.
That's because they have a weak immune system.
Just like jumping a car battery, if it is totally dead partially dead or fully charged and you just left your headlights on.
No amount of vaccine is going to help some people, some will save them from dying and some will even stay out of the hospital, altogether.
That's the way a vaccine works.

Every year, they change the common flu vaccine a little because the flu mutates every year.
That's what omicron is, a mutation of the Delta, which is a mutation of covid-A.
This mutation, omicron will kill some people, some will be hospitalized, some might not be effected at all but exposure, even though you have no symptoms, you still can spread it.
Just like the common cold or flu, it may take days for you to feel effects, meanwhile, you have infected 5 or ten people and so on.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't know what makes you think it CAN be controlled, considering that no government anywhere has succeeded in controlling it.

Really?

Japan has had only 18K Covid Deaths.... compared to our 800K.

Seems like they have it under control

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hospitals have test kits, moron.

Only for hospital use moron. But people who just want to get randomly tested can't do it because we lack those test kits.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Only for hospital use moron. But people who just want to get randomly tested can't do it because we lack those test kits.

You don't know WTF you're talking about.
The emergency temporary standard from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration is now available in the Federal Register. It goes into effect on Nov. 5. Employers have until Dec. 5 to comply with most of the requirements, but they have until Jan. 4 to comply with the requirement that unvaccinated employees get tested at least weekly.

Employees are part of the hospital.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't know WTF you're talking about.
The emergency temporary standard from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration is now available in the Federal Register. It goes into effect on Nov. 5. Employers have until Dec. 5 to comply with most of the requirements, but they have until Jan. 4 to comply with the requirement that unvaccinated employees get tested at least weekly.

Employees are part of the hospital.

So what does that have to do with my comment? We don't have enough test kits for everybody period. Earlier this week my city was passing them out at the library but soon ran dry as they only had 600,000. Most people who wanted one couldn't get one.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

So what does that have to do with my comment?

The title.
'Terminating healthcare workers'.

Employers have until Dec. 5 to comply with most of the requirements, but they have until Jan. 4 to comply with the requirement that unvaccinated employees get tested at least weekly.

Their employer, the hospitals, have testing kits.

We don't have enough test kits for everybody period. Earlier this week my city was passing them out at the library but soon ran dry as they only had 600,000. Most people who wanted one couldn't get one.

I agree, that's the situation all over the US.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The title.
'Terminating healthcare workers'.

Employers have until Dec. 5 to comply with most of the requirements, but they have until Jan. 4 to comply with the requirement that unvaccinated employees get tested at least weekly.

Their employer, the hospitals, have testing kits.

I agree, that's the situation all over the US.

Eventually the Supreme Court will strike down the mandate. It's purely a violation of our rights. Then the liability falls on any employer who insists on a vaccinated workforce. If something goes wrong with these vaccines in five or ten years down the road, it's the employers that will be liable for any damage to their employees or family of the employee.

 

[JoeB131]

Eventually the Supreme Court will strike down the mandate. It's purely a violation of our rights. Then the liability falls on any employer who insists on a vaccinated workforce. If something goes wrong with these vaccines in five or ten years down the road, it's the employers that will be liable for any damage to their employees or family of the employee.

Yes, let's keep killing people because "liberty" or some such shit.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Eventually the Supreme Court will strike down the mandate. It's purely a violation of our rights. Then the liability falls on any employer who insists on a vaccinated workforce. If something goes wrong with these vaccines in five or ten years down the road, it's the employers that will be liable for any damage to their employees or family of the employee.

There is a long precedented history of mandates in the US, starting with George Washington.
Stop watching FOX.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, let's keep killing people because "liberty" or some such shit.

If people want to take that chance, that's up to them. Americans do it every day. They drive motorcycles with no helmets, go mountain climbing for no reason, and skying were an avalanche could take their life. It's their business, not yours. And don't give me that bullshit if they are vaccinated they can't infect you with covid because that's already been proven to be Biden bullshit.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

They are not just there to be medics.

Why do you just pull shit out of your ass, instead of learning about it first and THEN commenting? You shuold try this new way of doing things.

Because this isn't how magaturds operate. The perpetual outrage is a part of their cultural identities.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is a long precedented history of mandates in the US, starting with George Washington.
Stop watching FOX.

We'll see. Just watch the ruling when it comes down to it. Americans have rights.

Federal Court Rules Pennsylvania's Lockdown Order Unconstitutional

Population-wide lockdown orders are "such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional" wrote U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV

reason.com

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Baloney...........don't see the panic porn down here

Fuck off with your anecdotal crap. You aren't any barometer for anything. Just another silly magaturd on the Innert00bs spewing. You said your peace, I'll ignore/marginalize it, as usual.

Most down here are fucking over this crap. It's been almost 2 years of non stop FEAR PORN.

Boo fucking hoo. Not taking a pandemic seriously because you decided making it a political statement was more important is on you. Consequences. Eat some. I have zero sympathy.

Good thing not many Karens here

You sound like a Karen to me.

 

[JoeB131]

If people want to take that chance, that's up to them. Americans do it every day. They drive motorcycles with no helmets, go mountain climbing for no reason, and skying were an avalanche could take their life. It's their business, not yours. And don't give me that bullshit if they are vaccinated they can't infect you with covid because that's already been proven to be Biden bullshit.

The problem is, it isn't just about them. Heck, if Covid Killed off all the Bleach-drinkers, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Serves them right. But they are spreading the disease to others much more effectively than a vaccinated person might.

 

[eagle1462010]

Fuck off with your anecdotal crap. You aren't any barometer for anything. Just another silly magaturd on the Innert00bs spewing. You said your peace, I'll ignore/marginalize it, as usual.

Boo fucking hoo. Not taking a pandemic seriously because you decided making it a political statement was more important is on you. Consequences. Eat some. I have zero sympathy.

You sound like a Karen to me.

Raw nerve ending found. Good

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Raw nerve ending found. Good

Feel better, troll? How pathetic your life must be.

 

[eagle1462010]

Feel better, troll? How pathetic your life must be.

Go Tumble through the desert and find someone who cares what you think.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Go Tumble through the desert and find someone who cares what you think.

You do the same, magaturd.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

We'll see. Just watch the ruling when it comes down to it. Americans have rights.

Federal Court Rules Pennsylvania's Lockdown Order Unconstitutional

Population-wide lockdown orders are "such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional" wrote U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV

reason.com

"such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional"​

Yeah, that he did. pre-assumed.

The plaintiffs collectively argued that the governor's restrictions on gatherings violated the First Amendment's protections of free speech and assembly. The shelter-in-place order and closure of businesses, they contended, were a violation of their rights to substantive due process under the 14th Amendment.

Has this dude even read the 14th amendent?

Due process of law in the [Fourteenth Amendment] refers to that law of the land in each state which derives its authority from the inherent and reserved powers of the state, exerted within the limits of those fundamental principles of liberty and justice which lie at the base of all our civil and political institutions, and the greatest security for which resides in the right of the people to make their own laws, and alter them at their pleasure.

The Due Process Clause has been used to strike down legislation. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments for example do not prohibit governmental regulation for the public welfare.
Instead, they only direct the process by which such regulation occurs. As the Court has held before, such due process "demands only that the law shall not be unreasonable.

The Constitution does not speak of freedom of contract. It speaks of liberty and prohibits the deprivation of liberty without due process of law.
In prohibiting that deprivation, the Constitution does not recognize an absolute and uncontrollable liberty. Liberty in each of its phases has its history and connotation.
But the liberty safeguarded is liberty in a social organization which requires the protection of law against the evils which menace the health, safety, morals and welfare of the people.
Liberty under the Constitution is thus necessarily subject to the restraints of due process, and regulation which is reasonable in relation to its subject and is adopted in the interests of the community is due process. This essential limitation of liberty in general governs freedom of contract in particular.

Darn, health safety and welfare of the people?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"such a dramatic inversion of the concept of liberty in a free society as to be nearly presumptively unconstitutional"​

Yeah, that he did. pre-assumed.

The plaintiffs collectively argued that the governor's restrictions on gatherings violated the First Amendment's protections of free speech and assembly. The shelter-in-place order and closure of businesses, they contended, were a violation of their rights to substantive due process under the 14th Amendment.

Has this dude even read the 14th amendent?


The Due Process Clause has been used to strike down legislation. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments for example do not prohibit governmental regulation for the public welfare.
Instead, they only direct the process by which such regulation occurs. As the Court has held before, such due process "demands only that the law shall not be unreasonable.

The Constitution does not speak of freedom of contract. It speaks of liberty and prohibits the deprivation of liberty without due process of law.
In prohibiting that deprivation, the Constitution does not recognize an absolute and uncontrollable liberty. Liberty in each of its phases has its history and connotation.
But the liberty safeguarded is liberty in a social organization which requires the protection of law against the evils which menace the health, safety, morals and welfare of the people.
Liberty under the Constitution is thus necessarily subject to the restraints of due process, and regulation which is reasonable in relation to its subject and is adopted in the interests of the community is due process. This essential limitation of liberty in general governs freedom of contract in particular.

Darn, health safety and welfare of the people?

Unfortunately for you is that the Declaration of Independence does guarantee us life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The key word in that is liberty which means going about your business like everybody else.

This is a new case because past cases allowed government to insist on vaccines to protect the public. You've been brainwashed to believe that this vaccine can do that. It can't. You can get covid from a vaccinated person or a non-vaccinated person so what this issue is really about is government control; the government punishing you for not protecting yourself the way they demand. It's no different than the government making law against you sky diving. It's your life, you're not hurting anybody else by sky diving, and the government has no authority to stop you from sky diving.

If every single person in this country was vaccinated, it won't change much of anything. Covid will still be with us. Like I said, the SC will likely side with the freedom of the people.