Texas doesn't have a right to secede (Don't get your news from right wing message boards)

[JWBooth]

If you see posts in rinky dinky right wing message boards claiming that Texas voted to secede, dismiss the fake news.
A state cannot secede. There are zero ways to do it. They can't pass a law to secede.. They can do nothing.

Yet even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession was not legal, and thus, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state. In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.')”

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

We need to change that. Would anyone miss Texas...Louisiana, Mississippi or Alabama? Seriously....they don't want to be in the greatest nation on earth....and (having lived in Texas for decades) I can attest that they are not worthy. The IQ of the US would skyrocket....and there is nothing that any of these states produce that we can't get elsewhere. And it has the added bonus of not having to deal with southerners.

Texas refines 1/3 of the oil in the US.

Have fun going to your An-teef-a meetings on your Big Wheel.

If Mississippi and Louisiana come with, it will ne 3/4 of the U.S. oil AND a good hunk of production.

We both know the military of the Empire exists for one reason only, the aggregation of oil and mineral resources. For that reason and none other. What you suggest will never be allowed.

 

[ColonelAngus]

OP is racist

 

[candycorn]

If you see posts in rinky dinky right wing message boards claiming that Texas voted to secede, dismiss the fake news.
A state cannot secede. There are zero ways to do it. They can't pass a law to secede.. They can do nothing.

Yet even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession was not legal, and thus, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state. In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.')”

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

We need to change that. Would anyone miss Texas...Louisiana, Mississippi or Alabama? Seriously....they don't want to be in the greatest nation on earth....and (having lived in Texas for decades) I can attest that they are not worthy. The IQ of the US would skyrocket....and there is nothing that any of these states produce that we can't get elsewhere. And it has the added bonus of not having to deal with southerners.

The collective IQ of Texas skyrocketed when you moved out.

Its currently at about 9. LOL

 

[candycorn]

I say we expel Texas and let it fend for itself.

 

[JWBooth]

I say we expel Texas and let it fend for itself.

Your terms are acceptable

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Anyone who wants to leave the country can get the fuck out. No “Berlin Wall” keeping you here.

Anyone who appreciates their U.S. citizenship can stay and use their citizenship rights to vote or participate in local, state or national politics to improve our laws and our Republic. As long as one doesn’t break the law here, all of us already have more political rights here ... than most places in the world.

Anybody who breaks the law to force their candidate on the rest of us after an election has been confirmed and certified, anyone who tries to break up our Republic via insurrection, attacking Congress, etc. ... they of course should be treated as traitors and criminals.

Those who say “the law” cannot prevent the breakup of a country whose people desperately want to break apart ... are of course correct.

But such break-ups are almost always extremely violent and destructive (unless all sides agree to separation). Even assuming that a majority of say, Texans, wanted to secede, what about the huge minority that did not? They would of course demand the Federal government protect their rights as U.S. Citizens. The result? Civil War. This is something genuine U.S. enemies would love to see.

In short, all this talk of unilateral secession is totally irresponsible. But then, what else is new? This is USMB!

Most of what you say is true but you need to realize that a large number of sane intelligent patriotic Americans believe that traitors have staged a coup by fixing the election and that the only responsible thing to do is to deal with that reality. The reality that the America we knew and loved is dead and will remain so unless we are able to find and implement a solution. You believe government (and the courts are indeed part of government) claims that the election was honest; we don't. I very much wish the courts would have stepped in and demanded an honest thorough and transparent investigation. Maybe that would have been acceptable to both sides. They didn't and now we are all well and truly screwed. 2021 promises to make 2020 the good ole days.

Thanks for the sincere tone of your comment. I do realize how much of our nation feels the way you describe. I haven’t any easy answers to resolving the mad cultural and political divides that Trump’s presidency has ... exacerbated. I think your point about trying to bridge the divide is important. But ask yourself: Would anything ever convince Donald Trump himself (and thus his most loyal supporters) that he was defeated legitimately? I think you know the answer to this.

My own hostility to Trump was never based just upon what he claimed he was in favor of, at least some of which I agreed with. But ask yourself: Would anything ever convince Donald Trump himself (and thus his most loyal supporters) that he was defeated legitimately? I think you know the answer to this.

I’ve been a “radical” since my youth, and I know what it means to fight the system. I expect little from “the Establishment” and the political class in general, and far less from the new crop of right populist politicians who now claim to oppose it.

To me none of this is new. I remember the Civil Rights Movement when southern African-Americans were mostly not even allowed to vote. I was active in the movement against the Vietnam War. Now there are new wars fought only with professional soldiers, and everybody can vote — but the craziness on all sides is still here. There is plenty of blame to go around, of course. Back in those days these was never just partisan “party” issues.

It seems to me that “Liberal capitalism” worldwide is struggling with profoundly “illiberal” nationalist movements, and Trump just represents a particularly crazy “American” version of this phenomenon. At the same time Americans are losing confidence in our own democratic and Republican institutions, partly because our nation’s once overwhelming supremacy internationally is disappearing, and with it some of our economic supremacy. Civil War or breaking up our country will only finish off our democracy and destroy our international pre-eminence altogether.

But I’m probably boring you with all this.
Sorry I couldn’t answer in a more satisfactory manner.

But ask yourself: Would anything ever convince Donald Trump himself (and thus his most loyal supporters) that he was defeated legitimately? I think you know the answer to this.
No, too little too late.

I also well remember the Civil Rights and "anti-war" movements and the violence associated with both. From my side of the fence it seemed that the Left deliberately sponsored and encouraged maximum violence and divisiveness. From my viewpoint the "anti-war" movement would have more accurately been described as the Anti-America movement. I was one of those soldiers you guys were calling "baby killers" spitting on and throwing dog shit at. I was drafted and my only intent was the serve and protect my Country. You guys were busy spreading communist propaganda while flying the flags of an enemy actively engaged in killing my friends and relatives while burning the flag we fought for in the streets. Jane Fonda John Kerry and the VVAW openly committed treason and were never held accountable. To my mind we are looking at 50+ years of deliberate divisiveness that have repeatedly resulted in violence injury and death. That makes it really really hard to take claims about Trump's "divisiveness" seriously.

My own hostility to Trump was never based just upon what he claimed he was in favor of, at least some of which I agreed with. It was his demagogy and divisiveness I opposed. I always suspected and feared Trump’s presidency would lead to just such a mad divide in society.

As noted above it appears to me the divide you speak of is certainly neither new nor Trump's "fault". It has long existed and been steadily growing for decades. At this point finger pointing serves no useful purpose.

At the same time Americans are losing confidence in our own democratic and Republican institutions, partly because our nation’s once overwhelming supremacy internationally is disappearing, and with it some of our economic supremacy. Civil War or breaking up our country will only finish off our democracy and destroy our international pre-eminence altogether.

I don't see that international supremacy has anything to do with the situation and would submit that many of us consider our democracy already lost. Otherwise I have to agree with your statement.

Thanks again for hearing me out & presenting your own views.

I would like to say, just to be clear, that I worked for our draftees by trying to get them removed from where they were sent by gutless and foolish politicians. I have no doubt your own intent was to serve and protect our country, though of course no Vietnamese ever came to the U.S. to bomb or kill.

I am proud of my own work in the movement, which did not at all resemble what you describe. But I cannot claim my efforts often rose to the level of the those who risked life and limb in the early days of the southern Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps another time we can exchange “war stories.”

I hope you and those you were close to got through that terrible war unhurt.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Anyone who wants to leave the country can get the fuck out. No “Berlin Wall” keeping you here.

Anyone who appreciates their U.S. citizenship can stay and use their citizenship rights to vote or participate in local, state or national politics to improve our laws and our Republic. As long as one doesn’t break the law here, all of us already have more political rights here ... than most places in the world.

Anybody who breaks the law to force their candidate on the rest of us after an election has been confirmed and certified, anyone who tries to break up our Republic via insurrection, attacking Congress, etc. ... they of course should be treated as traitors and criminals.

Those who say “the law” cannot prevent the breakup of a country whose people desperately want to break apart ... are of course correct.

But such break-ups are almost always extremely violent and destructive (unless all sides agree to separation). Even assuming that a majority of say, Texans, wanted to secede, what about the huge minority that did not? They would of course demand the Federal government protect their rights as U.S. Citizens. The result? Civil War. This is something genuine U.S. enemies would love to see.

In short, all this talk of unilateral secession is totally irresponsible. But then, what else is new? This is USMB!

Most of what you say is true but you need to realize that a large number of sane intelligent patriotic Americans believe that traitors have staged a coup by fixing the election and that the only responsible thing to do is to deal with that reality. The reality that the America we knew and loved is dead and will remain so unless we are able to find and implement a solution. You believe government (and the courts are indeed part of government) claims that the election was honest; we don't. I very much wish the courts would have stepped in and demanded an honest thorough and transparent investigation. Maybe that would have been acceptable to both sides. They didn't and now we are all well and truly screwed. 2021 promises to make 2020 the good ole days.

Thanks for the sincere tone of your comment. I do realize how much of our nation feels the way you describe. I haven’t any easy answers to resolving the mad cultural and political divides that Trump’s presidency has ... exacerbated. I think your point about trying to bridge the divide is important. But ask yourself: Would anything ever convince Donald Trump himself (and thus his most loyal supporters) that he was defeated legitimately? I think you know the answer to this.

My own hostility to Trump was never based just upon what he claimed he was in favor of, at least some of which I agreed with. But ask yourself: Would anything ever convince Donald Trump himself (and thus his most loyal supporters) that he was defeated legitimately? I think you know the answer to this.

I’ve been a “radical” since my youth, and I know what it means to fight the system. I expect little from “the Establishment” and the political class in general, and far less from the new crop of right populist politicians who now claim to oppose it.

To me none of this is new. I remember the Civil Rights Movement when southern African-Americans were mostly not even allowed to vote. I was active in the movement against the Vietnam War. Now there are new wars fought only with professional soldiers, and everybody can vote — but the craziness on all sides is still here. There is plenty of blame to go around, of course. Back in those days these was never just partisan “party” issues.

It seems to me that “Liberal capitalism” worldwide is struggling with profoundly “illiberal” nationalist movements, and Trump just represents a particularly crazy “American” version of this phenomenon. At the same time Americans are losing confidence in our own democratic and Republican institutions, partly because our nation’s once overwhelming supremacy internationally is disappearing, and with it some of our economic supremacy. Civil War or breaking up our country will only finish off our democracy and destroy our international pre-eminence altogether.

But I’m probably boring you with all this.
Sorry I couldn’t answer in a more satisfactory manner.

But ask yourself: Would anything ever convince Donald Trump himself (and thus his most loyal supporters) that he was defeated legitimately? I think you know the answer to this.
No, too little too late.

I also well remember the Civil Rights and "anti-war" movements and the violence associated with both. From my side of the fence it seemed that the Left deliberately sponsored and encouraged maximum violence and divisiveness. From my viewpoint the "anti-war" movement would have more accurately been described as the Anti-America movement. I was one of those soldiers you guys were calling "baby killers" spitting on and throwing dog shit at. I was drafted and my only intent was the serve and protect my Country. You guys were busy spreading communist propaganda while flying the flags of an enemy actively engaged in killing my friends and relatives while burning the flag we fought for in the streets. Jane Fonda John Kerry and the VVAW openly committed treason and were never held accountable. To my mind we are looking at 50+ years of deliberate divisiveness that have repeatedly resulted in violence injury and death. That makes it really really hard to take claims about Trump's "divisiveness" seriously.

My own hostility to Trump was never based just upon what he claimed he was in favor of, at least some of which I agreed with. It was his demagogy and divisiveness I opposed. I always suspected and feared Trump’s presidency would lead to just such a mad divide in society.

As noted above it appears to me the divide you speak of is certainly neither new nor Trump's "fault". It has long existed and been steadily growing for decades. At this point finger pointing serves no useful purpose.

At the same time Americans are losing confidence in our own democratic and Republican institutions, partly because our nation’s once overwhelming supremacy internationally is disappearing, and with it some of our economic supremacy. Civil War or breaking up our country will only finish off our democracy and destroy our international pre-eminence altogether.

I don't see that international supremacy has anything to do with the situation and would submit that many of us consider our democracy already lost. Otherwise I have to agree with your statement.

Thanks again for hearing me out & presenting your own views.

I would like to say, just to be clear, that I worked for our draftees by trying to get them removed from where they were sent by gutless and foolish politicians. I have no doubt your own intent was to serve and protect our country, though of course no Vietnamese ever came to the U.S. to bomb or kill.

I am proud of my own work in the movement, which did not at all resemble what you describe. But I cannot claim my efforts often rose to the level of the those who risked life and limb in the early days of the southern Civil Rights Movement. Perhaps another time we can exchange “war stories.”

I hope you and those you were close to got through that terrible war unhurt.

Nobody got through that war unhurt. The VA considers me 80% disabled as a result of my service. A quick bio of my service is here: Harold E. Keim: Remember

 

[Dale Smith]

If you see posts in rinky dinky right wing message boards claiming that Texas voted to secede, dismiss the fake news.
A state cannot secede. There are zero ways to do it. They can't pass a law to secede.. They can do nothing.

Yet even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession was not legal, and thus, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state. In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.')”

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

What about Calexit, dipshit???

Calexit never happened. California has no right to secede. Moron.

Do some research, ya little prick....they haven't given up hope. They have only toned it down because pedo Joe's commie pals stole an election......feel free to go fuck yourself.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again for the slow a State can leave the union with permission from Congress.

 

[JWBooth]

Again for the slow a State can leave the union with permission from Congress.

Effectively eliminating the basic right of self governance

 

[Christ_on_a_croissant]

WTF are you going to do about it if they do?

How the fuck will they secede without fed approval? You think they can just say “Ok we seceded!”, then go about business as usual?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

WTF are you going to do about it if they do?

How the fuck will they secede without fed approval? You think they can just say “Ok we seceded!”, then go about business as usual?

LoL, you’re the bitch that claims your marriage is fine because you refuse to sign the divorce papers. Meanwhile he’s off with someone else not giving a fuck.

 

[pyetro]

If you see posts in rinky dinky right wing message boards claiming that Texas voted to secede, dismiss the fake news.
A state cannot secede. There are zero ways to do it. They can't pass a law to secede.. They can do nothing.

Yet even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession was not legal, and thus, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state. In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.')”

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

What about Calexit, dipshit???

Calexit never happened. California has no right to secede. Moron.

Do some research, ya little prick....they haven't given up hope. They have only toned it down because pedo Joe's commie pals stole an election......feel free to go fuck yourself.

You repeated The Big Lie.

 

[Dale Smith]

If you see posts in rinky dinky right wing message boards claiming that Texas voted to secede, dismiss the fake news.
A state cannot secede. There are zero ways to do it. They can't pass a law to secede.. They can do nothing.

Yet even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession was not legal, and thus, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state. In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.')”

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

What about Calexit, dipshit???

Calexit never happened. California has no right to secede. Moron.

Do some research, ya little prick....they haven't given up hope. They have only toned it down because pedo Joe's commie pals stole an election......feel free to go fuck yourself.

You repeated The Big Lie.

You are a pathetic, lying POS.........you have been discredited, pussy.

 

[Christ_on_a_croissant]

WTF are you going to do about it if they do?

How the fuck will they secede without fed approval? You think they can just say “Ok we seceded!”, then go about business as usual?

LoL, you’re the bitch that claims your marriage is fine because you refuse to sign the divorce papers. Meanwhile he’s off with someone else not giving a fuck.

Can’t answer the question, huh? That’s what I thought.

But you have me confused with someone else. Though, your personal attacks are pointless to the discussion either way.

Carry on, clown.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

WTF are you going to do about it if they do?

How the fuck will they secede without fed approval? You think they can just say “Ok we seceded!”, then go about business as usual?

LoL, you’re the bitch that claims your marriage is fine because you refuse to sign the divorce papers. Meanwhile he’s off with someone else not giving a fuck.

Can’t answer the question, huh? That’s what I thought.

But you have me confused with someone else. Though, your personal attacks are pointless to the discussion either way.

Carry on, clown.

I think the famous George Washington quote is what you’re looking for.

“Having our own country would be great. I sure hope King George and the British aristocrats sign off on letting us do it.”

So once again poindexter. If Texas votes to leave WTF are you going to do about it?

 

[Christ_on_a_croissant]

If Texas votes to leave WTF are you going to do about it?

Personally, nothing.

But, they’re not going anywhere no matter how much they vote on it.

Tell me again how they’ll pull that off without congressional or federal say so...oh wait you never answered the first time —so let’s start there.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

If Texas votes to leave WTF are you going to do about it?

Personally, nothing.

But, they’re not going anywhere no matter how much they vote on it.

Tell me again how they’ll pull that off without congressional or federal say so...oh wait you never answered the first time —so let’s start there.

So you aren’t going to run down all armed up and stop them? Then who is? In the end the federal government is only made up of states. Which ones side with the feds, which ones side with Texas, which ones refuse to engage at all.
Would they vote to leave? Not sure 50/50 I’d say. The point is the feds shouldn’t be doing the stupid shit they are to make it an option. I doubt bidumb or the democrat party get that.

How would they do it? The feds don’t own anything in Texas. They simply shut all those agencies down and rehire who they want under Texas programs. Or eliminate them. They recall their military people and keep all of the hardware in the state. They stop the feds from collecting any taxes and they open trade with any other state willing to sign a treaty.

Simply ignoring the feds isn’t that hard.

If Texas votes to leave WTF are you going to do about it?

Personally, nothing.

But, they’re not going anywhere no matter how much they vote on it.

Tell me again how they’ll pull that off without congressional or federal say so...oh wait you never answered the first time —so let’s start there.

 

[bripat9643]

If you see posts in rinky dinky right wing message boards claiming that Texas voted to secede, dismiss the fake news.
A state cannot secede. There are zero ways to do it. They can't pass a law to secede.. They can do nothing.

Yet even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession was not legal, and thus, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state. In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one Nation, indivisible.')”

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

Sure they can. Where does the Constitution say a state can't secede?

 

[bripat9643]

If Texas votes to leave WTF are you going to do about it?

Personally, nothing.

But, they’re not going anywhere no matter how much they vote on it.

Tell me again how they’ll pull that off without congressional or federal say so...oh wait you never answered the first time —so let’s start there.

Simple. They vote to secede. Then they stop sending money to Washington. End of story.