Texas Gov. Rick Perry Indicted For Abuse Of Power

[Plasmaball]

It's not about if she should have resigned or not. It's not about if she is a drunk or not. It does not matter how she acted. It's about "coercion of an( elected) public official" and "official oppression". Those were the two indictments.

As I said before, I am NOT defending her. Perry is coming under a LOT of scrutiny for giving Taxpayer money to companies. She was trying to expose it, he was trying to cover it up.

It is about her. She runs the Department of Public Integrity and she endangered the public she serves, and then made a complete ass out of herself. She should have no position of authority in government.

no that is what you guys want it to be about.

 

[Plasmaball]

If there were videos of him acting like that, he wouldn't have even been considered for dog catcher.

You know it and I know it.

Technology...it's a bitch.

I'll take that as a "no". Makes me wonder why others would vote for a criminal for President....

Are you really stating that someone competence is best judged by how they act when they are intoxicated?

I think the behavior of a DA around law enforcement would be pretty significant.

right and she went to jail over it.

 

[bluesguy1952]

It's not about if she should have resigned or not. It's not about if she is a drunk or not. It does not matter how she acted. It's about "coercion of an( elected) public official" and "official oppression". Those were the two indictments.

As I said before, I am NOT defending her. Perry is coming under a LOT of scrutiny for giving Taxpayer money to companies. She was trying to expose it, he was trying to cover it up.

It is about her. She runs the Department of Public Integrity and she endangered the public she serves, and then made a complete ass out of herself. She should have no position of authority in government.

Then Bush should never have been President since he pleaded guilty to DUI. And when I said it's not about her, I meant that it is about trying to hide or downplay the scandals ridden CPRIT, which the head of CPRIT was already indicted for. Yes you can say she should not be in office, I probably agree with you on that. but that is not what this case is about.

 

[dilloduck]

I'll take that as a "no". Makes me wonder why others would vote for a criminal for President....

Are you really stating that someone competence is best judged by how they act when they are intoxicated?

I think the behavior of a DA around law enforcement would be pretty significant.

right and she went to jail over it.

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

 

[dilloduck]

It's not about if she should have resigned or not. It's not about if she is a drunk or not. It does not matter how she acted. It's about "coercion of an( elected) public official" and "official oppression". Those were the two indictments.

As I said before, I am NOT defending her. Perry is coming under a LOT of scrutiny for giving Taxpayer money to companies. She was trying to expose it, he was trying to cover it up.

It is about her. She runs the Department of Public Integrity and she endangered the public she serves, and then made a complete ass out of herself. She should have no position of authority in government.

Then Bush should never have been President since he pleaded guilty to DUI. And when I said it's not about her, I meant that it is about trying to hide or downplay the scandals ridden CPRIT, which the head of CPRIT was already indicted for. Yes you can say she should not be in office, I probably agree with you on that. but that is not what this case is about.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH ????????? now try to tell me this isn't a political hit------y'all crack me up.

 

[bluesguy1952]

Example:

Rick Perry gives Toyota millions $ in Taxpayer money to move a plant to Texas. Does Toyota need that money? They are the most profitable company in the world. That money would buy a lot of food stamps that you guys are yelling about.
Perry has about 3 slush funds, again taxpayer money, that he uses to pay friends to run companies that go broke or do not meet the hiring employee quoatas that were a condition of the gift

How much taxpayer money did Perry give Toyota?

It doesn't matter. The use of tax incentives is perfectly legal, logically sound and the returns to Texas taxpayers will be enormous.

"So what did Texas taxpayers get for their $40 million? If you take Lentz (CEO of Toyota North America) at his word, basically nothing. Toyota was coming to Texas with or without the Enterprise Fund money

 

[Plasmaball]

I think the behavior of a DA around law enforcement would be pretty significant.

right and she went to jail over it.

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

thats what i thought you were talking about..

 

[dilloduck]

right and she went to jail over it.

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

thats what i thought you were talking about..

I know------you have no problem with her behavior at the jail after she was arrested.

 

[Plasmaball]

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

thats what i thought you were talking about..

I know------you have no problem with her behavior at the jail after she was arrested.

well besides thinking she shouldnt have a job...sure

 

[dilloduck]

right and she went to jail over it.

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

thats what i thought you were talking about..

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

 

[bluesguy1952]

It might be legal, but at least some taxpayers in texas are getting very tired of it. As i said before, there is a growing movement in Texas to audit these funds of taxpayer money going out to companies.

Is it legal if the company was supposed to hire 1,000 employess by year 3 or 4 and 10 years later they have 50 employees. I's say the companu broke it's side of the contract. But does Texas try to get the money back? No, the extend several more years. And they wouldn't get it back anyway. This is from another article I read in thee paper and no I cannot quote it exactly or give a web address.

This is verbatim from the paper:

Time for an overhaul or slashing of business incentives

Is it a business incentive or corporate welfare, a tax break or a slush fund to give away taxpayer money to corporations.

Activists from across the political spectrum are questioning Gov Perry’s “Open for business” schtick of funding corporations, and frankly it’s about time.

Bill Peacock, VP of Research at the CONSERVATIVE think tank Texas Public Policy Foundation calls incentives an inefficient use of taxpayer money. They take money from taxpayers and place a bet It takes money from a group of taxpayers and gives it to a company.

Texas democrats have long criticized Perry’s funds as enriching corporations while leading to cuts in public schools and health care etc. The democratic candidate for Governor, Senator Wendy Davis, authored a law that requires a public audit of them for the first time.
State Tech Fund Under Fire

In 2009 Gov Perry awarded $2.5 million of taxpayer money to new bio tech firm American Stem Cell. Five years later, its CEO and employees live in California and its San Antonio headquarters amount to little more than a horse pasture.

When it comes to startups supported by the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, this story is nothing new. More than 20% of the firms that received money from the state fund have gone bankrupt.
Now as the fund nears its 10th anniversary and the governor who oversaw its creation reaches the end of his tenure, it and other incentive programs are facing scrutiny

 

[Ibentoken]

Example:

Rick Perry gives Toyota millions $ in Taxpayer money to move a plant to Texas. Does Toyota need that money? They are the most profitable company in the world. That money would buy a lot of food stamps that you guys are yelling about.
Perry has about 3 slush funds, again taxpayer money, that he uses to pay friends to run companies that go broke or do not meet the hiring employee quoatas that were a condition of the gift

How much taxpayer money did Perry give Toyota?

$40 million of taxpayer money.

This was reported in the Texas Monthly, the Houstion Chronicle and several other places as well. It was on TV. To answer your question I did a google search and the first one I found is this. The paper and the magazine said the same things.

Rick Perry Wasted $40 Million on Toyota - The Texas Observer

Rick Perry Wasted $40 Million on Toyota
by Forrest Wilder Published on Friday, May 2, 2014, at 2:35 CST



If there was any lingering doubt that Gov. Rick Perry’s Texas Enterprise Fund functions more as a corporate cookie jar than a “deal-closing” job machine, it should surely be put to rest with today’s news. Earlier this week, Perry announced that Toyota would receive $40 million to move its North American headquarters from California to Plano. In a press release, Perry crowed, “Toyota understands that Texas’ employer-friendly combination of low taxes, fair courts, smart regulations and world-class workforce can help businesses of any size succeed and thrive.”

The press release went on to claim that Toyota had “cited a number of factors in choosing” Plano, including the Texas Enterprise Fund investment.

But today, the Los Angeles Times reports that that’s so much horse hockey.

“Taxes, regulations and business climate appear to have had nothing to do with Toyota’s move,” the paper reported. And that’s coming from a top executive.

“It may seem like a juicy story to have this confrontation between California and Texas, but that was not the case,” said Jim Lentz, Toyota’s North American chief executive.

Toyota left California to move its company’s brainpower, now divided among offices in three states, into one headquarters close to the company’s manufacturing base, primarily in the South.

“It doesn’t make sense to have oversight of manufacturing 2,000 miles away from where the cars were made,” Lentz said. “Geography is the reason not to have our headquarters in California.”

Oops.

So what did Texas taxpayers get for their $40 million? If you take Lentz at his word, basically nothing. Toyota was coming to Texas with or without the Enterprise Fund money. An incentives program like the Enterprise Fund is premised on the idea of being a “deal-closer.” You have to ask the “but-for” question: But for this incentive, would X company move to Texas? If the answer is, “Yes, the company would move anyway,” then there is no reason to offer the incentive.

What’s remarkable in the Toyota case is that an executive is admitting as much. You can’t blame Toyota—a for-profit company responsible to its shareholders—for taking the $40 million, but you have to wonder if the state of Texas shouldn’t now ask for its money back.

And what did Perry get? Bragging rights, the ability to lay claim to the “job creator” mantle, another notch in his belt for the silly zero-sum California vs. Texas pissing match and associating himself with a popular brand of Texas-made trucks. (Full disclosure: I own a Toyota Tacoma.)

Of course, this isn’t the first time that the true nature of the Enterprise Fund, which has paid out $558 million since its inception in 2003, has been made apparent. Last year, the governor offered Chevron $12 million for an office tower it was already planning to build in downtown Houston and the company’s own application made scant reference to other sites it was considering. Chevron also noted that it planned to use the money to lavish employees with moving benefits and perks.

If there is a “Texas miracle,” Perry’s Enterprise Fund doesn’t seem to have much to do with it.

The LA Times uses some clever wording. The fact is many companies are moving out of California because of overregulation and taxes. More and more production companies are moving to Oregon and Washington to make films. Washington offers tax incentives. They're democrats, but they can see reality. California has cut its own throat.

 

[Ibentoken]

It might be legal, but at least some taxpayers in texas are getting very tired of it. As i said before, there is a growing movement in Texas to audit these funds of taxpayer money going out to companies.

Is it legal if the company was supposed to hire 1,000 employess by year 3 or 4 and 10 years later they have 50 employees. I's say the companu broke it's side of the contract. But does Texas try to get the money back? No, the extend several more years. And they wouldn't get it back anyway. This is from another article I read in thee paper and no I cannot quote it exactly or give a web address.

This is verbatim from the paper:

Time for an overhaul or slashing of business incentives

Is it a business incentive or corporate welfare, a tax break or a slush fund to give away taxpayer money to corporations.

Activists from across the political spectrum are questioning Gov Perry’s “Open for business” schtick of funding corporations, and frankly it’s about time.

Bill Peacock, VP of Research at the CONSERVATIVE think tank Texas Public Policy Foundation calls incentives an inefficient use of taxpayer money. They take money from taxpayers and place a bet It takes money from a group of taxpayers and gives it to a company.

Texas democrats have long criticized Perry’s funds as enriching corporations while leading to cuts in public schools and health care etc. The democratic candidate for Governor, Senator Wendy Davis, authored a law that requires a public audit of them for the first time.
State Tech Fund Under Fire

In 2009 Gov Perry awarded $2.5 million of taxpayer money to new bio tech firm American Stem Cell. Five years later, its CEO and employees live in California and its San Antonio headquarters amount to little more than a horse pasture.

When it comes to startups supported by the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, this story is nothing new. More than 20% of the firms that received money from the state fund have gone bankrupt.
Now as the fund nears its 10th anniversary and the governor who oversaw its creation reaches the end of his tenure, it and other incentive programs are facing scrutiny

So your main bitch is Texas is not getting their fair share of taxes from the corporations. Correct?

 

[bluesguy1952]

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

thats what i thought you were talking about..

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

Anything to get her out of a position that was essentially investigating him so her position could be replaced by a Perry loyalist

 

[Plasmaball]

no she went to jail for driving drunk.

thats what i thought you were talking about..

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

so?

 

[Ibentoken]

thats what i thought you were talking about..

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

Anything to get her out of a position that was essentially investigating him so her position could be replaced by a Perry loyalist

Did Perry get her drunk and then hypnotized her to act like a deranged jackal at her booking?

 

[Ibentoken]

thats what i thought you were talking about..

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

so?

So you'd allow her to stay in her position if you were governor?

 

[dilloduck]

thats what i thought you were talking about..

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

Anything to get her out of a position that was essentially investigating him so her position could be replaced by a Perry loyalist

I think BOOOOSh disguised himself and did it.

 

[Plasmaball]

Perry was considerate to even offer her another position.

so?

So you'd allow her to stay in her position if you were governor?

i would use whatever legal means i could....If i couldnt get her to go then i'd just deal with it.

 

[Ibentoken]

so?

So you'd allow her to stay in her position if you were governor?

i would use whatever legal means i could....If i couldnt get her to go then i'd just deal with it.

Perry used a legal line item veto.