Texas Secession Movement Gaining Momentum

[Dutch]

The U.S. needs Texas more than Texas needs the U.S. They would fair much better as an independent nation.

Economy of Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey dumbs**t do you even read your links. Under industry, defense is a major player in the Texas economy. Aeronautics is another. I wonder who pays for those contracts?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Well, I kinda get around... It's more valid that you would think. Let me guess, you live on the west coast or in the northeast (maybe the midwest)....

I have also lived in many places in this country.

I realize how quick you are to toss out "the Northeast" and "the West Coast" - but they make up nearly 40% of the population of the US...

hahahaha! So I nailed it...

It's pretty clear from my "location" that I live in California right now.

Anyway - just over half of the people where you live think like you.

How do you think "I think"? And where are you getting these fictional numbers from?

The problem is that the people who think like us - don't talk as lound when we are surrounded by members of the new socialist democratic party. It's socially acceptable to be anti-American values where you live. It's not acceptable to even have Christian values that this Country was created from.

There are more devoutly religious people in California than there are people at all in most states in this country.

Where most Americans live - even the "liberals" are conservative on 90% of the issues. Like I was saying earlier, if people really understood what the new socialist democratic party was all about 75% of America would run from it like they were on fire.

Where do you think "most people" live?

And what do you think the "socialist democratic party" is "really" about?

How many years do you think Americans will put up with no jobs, ever-rising gas prises and debt? You think 8 years of no sign of progress (from the "move forward" crowd)??

There are plenty of "signs of progress" - the stock market being a pretty big one.

Kinda funny when you think about it. No progress is moving forward?

Again, "no progress" is easily disprovable.

 

[Dutch]

The fact that you guys think that "half of the country" would support secession is fucking hilarious.

It's even funnier when you claim that the US military (or at least all the white people in the military) would support this secession.

Well, I'm pretty sure we'll get to find out, because I don't see the producers of this country putting up with the dismantling of our republic for too much longer.

I love how you guys think that we're living in Atlas Shrugged.

Even old Aynn was a taker at the end of her life.

 

[Obamanation]

I have also lived in many places in this country.

I realize how quick you are to toss out "the Northeast" and "the West Coast" - but they make up nearly 40% of the population of the US...

hahahaha! So I nailed it...

It's pretty clear from my "location" that I live in California right now.


How do you think "I think"? And where are you getting these fictional numbers from?

There are more devoutly religious people in California than there are people at all in most states in this country.

Where do you think "most people" live?

And what do you think the "socialist democratic party" is "really" about?

How many years do you think Americans will put up with no jobs, ever-rising gas prises and debt? You think 8 years of no sign of progress (from the "move forward" crowd)??

There are plenty of "signs of progress" - the stock market being a pretty big one.

Kinda funny when you think about it. No progress is moving forward?

Again, "no progress" is easily disprovable.

Whatever, you think...

The numbers of people who would be willing to fight to get your socialist crap gone from our Country are growing --- not that it will come to that... I promise, even the American left won't put up with this crap for long.

You can say no progress is easily disprovable - but not to the people who are jobless, over taxed, and being oppressed by this regime. Talking a good game will only get you so far. Sooner or later, people expect real, positive results --- and there are NONE!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not. I don't live in Texas but have had this discussion with lots of people. Anyone who stands up to the new socialist democratic party is going to get LOTS of support!

You do recognize that "people you know" isn't a valid statistical sample, right?

Well, I kinda get around... It's more valid that you would think. Let me guess, you live on the west coast or in the northeast (maybe the midwest)....

No it isn’t.

It’s still subjective, anecdotal, and irrelevant.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

hahahaha! So I nailed it...

It's pretty clear from my "location" that I live in California right now.


How do you think "I think"? And where are you getting these fictional numbers from?

There are more devoutly religious people in California than there are people at all in most states in this country.

Where do you think "most people" live?

And what do you think the "socialist democratic party" is "really" about?


There are plenty of "signs of progress" - the stock market being a pretty big one.

Kinda funny when you think about it. No progress is moving forward?

Again, "no progress" is easily disprovable.

Whatever, you think...

The numbers of people who would be willing to fight to get your socialist crap gone from our Country are growing --- not that it will come to that... I promise, even the American left won't put up with this crap for long.

What "socialist crap" are you talking about?

You can say no progress is easily disprovable - but not to the people who are jobless, over taxed, and being oppressed by this regime. Talking a good game will only get you so far. Sooner or later, people expect real, positive results --- and there are NONE!

Who are these people being "oppressed" by "this regime"?

"Over taxed"? - Taxes are about as low as they've ever been in the last 100 years.

Unemployment is high, but that's pretty much the only economic indicator that's bad right now. And even it is getting better.

 

[S.J.]

Well, I'm pretty sure we'll get to find out, because I don't see the producers of this country putting up with the dismantling of our republic for too much longer.

I love how you guys think that we're living in Atlas Shrugged.

Even old Aynn was a taker at the end of her life.

Yeah, but your kind starts OUT as takers.

 

[S.J.]

It's pretty clear from my "location" that I live in California right now.


How do you think "I think"? And where are you getting these fictional numbers from?

There are more devoutly religious people in California than there are people at all in most states in this country.

Where do you think "most people" live?

And what do you think the "socialist democratic party" is "really" about?


There are plenty of "signs of progress" - the stock market being a pretty big one.



Again, "no progress" is easily disprovable.

Whatever, you think...

The numbers of people who would be willing to fight to get your socialist crap gone from our Country are growing --- not that it will come to that... I promise, even the American left won't put up with this crap for long.

What "socialist crap" are you talking about?

You can say no progress is easily disprovable - but not to the people who are jobless, over taxed, and being oppressed by this regime. Talking a good game will only get you so far. Sooner or later, people expect real, positive results --- and there are NONE!

Who are these people being "oppressed" by "this regime"?

"Over taxed"? - Taxes are about as low as they've ever been in the last 100 years.

Unemployment is high, but that's pretty much the only economic indicator that's bad right now. And even it is getting better.

I suppose you think the $7 trillion Obama has added to the debt is a positive economic indicator too?

 

[Obamanation]

It's pretty clear from my "location" that I live in California right now.


How do you think "I think"? And where are you getting these fictional numbers from?

There are more devoutly religious people in California than there are people at all in most states in this country.

Where do you think "most people" live?

And what do you think the "socialist democratic party" is "really" about?


There are plenty of "signs of progress" - the stock market being a pretty big one.



Again, "no progress" is easily disprovable.

Whatever, you think...

The numbers of people who would be willing to fight to get your socialist crap gone from our Country are growing --- not that it will come to that... I promise, even the American left won't put up with this crap for long.

What "socialist crap" are you talking about?

You can say no progress is easily disprovable - but not to the people who are jobless, over taxed, and being oppressed by this regime. Talking a good game will only get you so far. Sooner or later, people expect real, positive results --- and there are NONE!

Who are these people being "oppressed" by "this regime"?

"Over taxed"? - Taxes are about as low as they've ever been in the last 100 years.

Unemployment is high, but that's pretty much the only economic indicator that's bad right now. And even it is getting better.

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

Everyone is being oppressed by this regime. It just hasn't become painfully obvious to most. It will... When the true damage of Obama's actions becomes measurable.... watch out.

You do realize that every penny the gov't spends is taxation future or present, right.
All of business is being crushed which is why there are no jobs.

I really don't know how the people on the left think things are heading in the right direction at all. 80% of Americans think the economy is still the most important issue and we have seen no improvement to the economy. Even if you were to give Obama credit for stopping the "fall created by Bush", with the stimulus (which is a huge stretch in my mind as very little of that money even went to what it was supposed to go to) ---- he obviously has no idea how to get the economy "moving forward". Stepping on job creators (if even only in their perception), will never get them to start new projects or further develop old ones.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Whatever, you think...

The numbers of people who would be willing to fight to get your socialist crap gone from our Country are growing --- not that it will come to that... I promise, even the American left won't put up with this crap for long.

What "socialist crap" are you talking about?

You can say no progress is easily disprovable - but not to the people who are jobless, over taxed, and being oppressed by this regime. Talking a good game will only get you so far. Sooner or later, people expect real, positive results --- and there are NONE!

Who are these people being "oppressed" by "this regime"?

"Over taxed"? - Taxes are about as low as they've ever been in the last 100 years.

Unemployment is high, but that's pretty much the only economic indicator that's bad right now. And even it is getting better.

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

Not a single "industry" has been "taken over" by the government.

Everyone is being oppressed by this regime. It just hasn't become painfully obvious to most. It will... When the true damage of Obama's actions becomes measurable.... watch out.

So you've got nothing. Ok.

You do realize that every penny the gov't spends is taxation future or present, right.
All of business is being crushed which is why there are no jobs.

Speak for yourself. My business is booming, as are many, many others.

I really don't know how the people on the left think things are heading in the right direction at all. 80% of Americans think the economy is still the most important issue and we have seen no improvement to the economy. Even if you were to give Obama credit for stopping the "fall created by Bush", with the stimulus (which is a huge stretch in my mind as very little of that money even went to what it was supposed to go to) ---- he obviously has no idea how to get the economy "moving forward". Stepping on job creators (if even only in their perception), will never get them to start new projects or further develop old ones.

Again, we've seen all economic indicators aside from unemployment get significantly better over the course of the last 4 years.

Repeating the same thing over and over won't make it true.

 

[Obamanation]

What "socialist crap" are you talking about?


Who are these people being "oppressed" by "this regime"?

"Over taxed"? - Taxes are about as low as they've ever been in the last 100 years.

Unemployment is high, but that's pretty much the only economic indicator that's bad right now. And even it is getting better.

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

Not a single "industry" has been "taken over" by the government.


So you've got nothing. Ok.

You do realize that every penny the gov't spends is taxation future or present, right.
All of business is being crushed which is why there are no jobs.

Speak for yourself. My business is booming, as are many, many others.

I really don't know how the people on the left think things are heading in the right direction at all. 80% of Americans think the economy is still the most important issue and we have seen no improvement to the economy. Even if you were to give Obama credit for stopping the "fall created by Bush", with the stimulus (which is a huge stretch in my mind as very little of that money even went to what it was supposed to go to) ---- he obviously has no idea how to get the economy "moving forward". Stepping on job creators (if even only in their perception), will never get them to start new projects or further develop old ones.

Again, we've seen all economic indicators aside from unemployment get significantly better over the course of the last 4 years.

Repeating the same thing over and over won't make it true.

If business is so booming then why are there still no jobs? So you are making good money but not helping all those who are suffering? What are you a capitalist?

What economic indicators, pray-tell, are "significantly" better?? lol

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

Not a single "industry" has been "taken over" by the government.


So you've got nothing. Ok.


Speak for yourself. My business is booming, as are many, many others.

I really don't know how the people on the left think things are heading in the right direction at all. 80% of Americans think the economy is still the most important issue and we have seen no improvement to the economy. Even if you were to give Obama credit for stopping the "fall created by Bush", with the stimulus (which is a huge stretch in my mind as very little of that money even went to what it was supposed to go to) ---- he obviously has no idea how to get the economy "moving forward". Stepping on job creators (if even only in their perception), will never get them to start new projects or further develop old ones.

Again, we've seen all economic indicators aside from unemployment get significantly better over the course of the last 4 years.

Repeating the same thing over and over won't make it true.

If business is so booming then why are there still no jobs? So you are making good money but not helping all those who are suffering? What are you a capitalist?

What economic indicators, pray-tell, are "significantly" better?? lol

I've hired 20 people in the last year. And yes, I am a "capitalist".

"No jobs" is a fiction. The unemployment rate has gone down, and the job creation numbers have been positive for the last year or so.

The DJIA is twice what it was when Obama took office, for one.

 

[Obamanation]

Not a single "industry" has been "taken over" by the government.


So you've got nothing. Ok.


Speak for yourself. My business is booming, as are many, many others.


Again, we've seen all economic indicators aside from unemployment get significantly better over the course of the last 4 years.

Repeating the same thing over and over won't make it true.

If business is so booming then why are there still no jobs? So you are making good money but not helping all those who are suffering? What are you a capitalist?

What economic indicators, pray-tell, are "significantly" better?? lol

I've hired 20 people in the last year. And yes, I am a "capitalist".

"No jobs" is a fiction. The unemployment rate has gone down, and the job creation numbers have been positive for the last year or so.

The DJIA is twice what it was when Obama took office, for one.

Well if you are hiring you are in the vast majority. The unemployment rate has basically not moved. If you account for people leaving the labor force, and certainly make room for part-timers who don't qualify as unemployed, it's actually higher now than when he took office. Regardless, it can hardly qualify for SIGNIFICANT improvement like you claimed.

Using the stock market as an economic indicator is ridiculous. Without development on the back side of investments it doesn't improve the economy at all. Besides what do you think people who are well off are going to do with their money, put it in a sock? No, they are going to invest it. As soon as things settled at the new norm (significantly worse new norm) they started putting money back in the market. Still, nobody is doing much with that money - at least in America!!

 

[WorldWatcher]

I can retire to a foreign country and still receive my Social Security. I just woundn't have to pay income taxes.

Of course, because that is what the United States Code says.

Of course all Congress has to do is to revoke the Social Security eligibility of anyone who accepts citizenship in a foreign country whose status was that as previously a State in the union. Then, if by retiring to a foreign country and renouncing your United States citizenship and that country used to be a State, then you would not have to pay income taxes but then neither would you draw Social Security.


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You assume the rest of the country would be against Texas. Not likely, and not likely Congress would have the votes to fuck the citizens out of their social security. At the very least, they would have to pay everyone back everything they paid into it, plus interest. And do you actually think the American people (including the military) would go along with military force if Texas refused to be rolled over by our corrupt government?

I of course can only respond as an individual who has been a member of the Republican party for about 30 years and a military member for 20 years.


1. Yes I think the overwhelming majority of the American people would not support a State summarily attempting to secede from the Union. I think they would view them as traitors to their country.

2. If Congress were to pass a law that those accepting citizenship in the new foreign nation voided their rights under Social Security to any future entitlements, not they wouldn't have to pay the back contributions. You may not under stand this but SS is not a "savings account", monies taken in today pay the benefits of those currently drawing the entitlement. So ya, I think there would be a lot of support for not paying entitlements to foreigners who will not be continuing to contribute to SS. For those currently drawing SS security, all they have to do is reject citizenship in the new country, retain the US citizenship and remain eligible.

3. Where have I ever said that the military would need to use force? Go back and read my responses, not once have I proposed the use of preemptive military force. As a matter of fact I've proposed just the opposite, that a peaceful and orderly transference of power is possible.


What some don't want to accept though is that action have consequences, that if a State wishes to leave the union they should not retain all the benefits of remaining in the union such as federal funding, maintenance of military bases, keeping mobile federal property, and continued access to entitlements for United States citizens. If a State wants to go, let them. They assume responsibility for their own governance and their own people and all ties to the United States are ended. You are the one that provided a link showing that the military/defense complex was the second larges sector of the economy for Texas, not I. I simply pointed out that the soldiers, sailors, and airmen would be ordered to take their mobile equipment and return to United Stats bases. Defense contracts could and would be likely cancelled pending the relocation of facilities back to the United States as it does not bode well for us to rely on foreign manufactures to produce high tech and classified weapons system. And of course the agencies of NASA in Texas would be relocated to the United States. And with it's food production and oil reserves gives Texas (as it currently exists with federal dollars flowing into the State) a sunny economic outlook, the removal of those items from the Texas economy would be a significant blow and would add economic unrest to the political unrest that would be sure to follow.

I think the full ramifications of the consequences of secession should be explained to the people of Texas and then a referendum placed on the ballot for them to vote. If they choose to go - OK, then they did it with their eyes open. Maybe if there is a vote and it ends up with only 10% or so voting to secede maybe then the silly talk will end.


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[Saigon]

ObamaN -

Man, did you get schooled by Doctors on this thread!!!

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

And the fact that this happened only in your heads means what, do you think?

You could learn something from this thread you know - you really were proven to be wrong.

 

[Saigon]

The unemployment rate has basically not moved. If you account for people leaving the labor force, and certainly make room for part-timers who don't qualify as unemployed, it's actually higher now than when he took office. Regardless, it can hardly qualify for SIGNIFICANT improvement like you claimed.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.catalystanalytics.com/wp-content/uploads/Unemployment-Rate-2000-2011.png&imgrefurl=http://www.catalystanalytics.com/blog/usemployment/&h=378&w=630&sz=14&tbnid=-M8odRlyIVnpkM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=122&zoom=1&usg=__Tcm1I7XpR6AqoOC_otTO-fI3Byw=&docid=aSdKy5UCVyzgwM&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=Qg8nUYfJDIaQ4gS_04GwDA&sqi=2&ved=0CF4Q9QEwBQ&dur=167

It's basically dropped from 10% to just below 9%. That is not amazing - but it is significant.

 

[Obamanation]

ObamaN -

Man, did you get schooled by Doctors on this thread!!!

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

And the fact that this happened only in your heads means what, do you think?

You could learn something from this thread you know - you really were proven to be wrong.

So, being civil equates to getting schooled? hahahahahahaha!!!

Well, here ya go!


On March 16, 2012, President Obama issued an executive order entitled, "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS." (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order...)

This executive order states that the President alone has the authority to take over all resources in the nation (labor, food, industry, etc.) as long as it is done "to promote the national defense" -- a phrase so vague that it could mean practically anything.

The power to seize control and take over these resources is delegated to the following government authorities:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

This takeover is designed, in part, to "stockpile supplies" for the U.S. military. Authority for this total takeover of all national resources is granted with nothing more than the writing of a single statement that claims these actions are necessary to "promote the national defense." As stated in the order:

the authority delegated by section 201 of this order may be used only to support programs that have been determined in writing as necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense:

(a) by the Secretary of Defense with respect to military production and construction, military assistance to foreign nations, military use of civil transportation, stockpiles managed by the Department of Defense, space, and directly related activities;

What all this means is that the U.S. government now claims the power to simply march onto your farm with guns drawn and demand all your crops, seeds, livestock and farm equipment.

Think I'm exaggerating? Read it yourself!

And for those living in denial who refuse to accept the reality of what's happening in America, remember the following:

• When NaturalNews reported on the existence of the NDAA, we were told our reporting was misleading because Obama opposed it and wouldn't sign it.

• When Obama betrayed America and signed the bill, we were told our reporting was misleading because "it didn't apply to Americans."

• When Obama admitted it did apply to Americans, he announced that he would choose "not to use it on Americans" but only by the grace of his restraint. Nobody who previously accused us of misleading the public had the integrity to offer us an apology and say, "Gee, you were right, it DOES apply to Americans!"

• Now Obama has seized control over all food, farms, livestock, water and transportation across America. How many brain-dead Americans will continue to live in denial and try to convince themselves this is not happening? Sticking your head in the sand does not make this go away...


KMA!!!!

Communism is just a step away if you don't open your eyes!!

 

[Obamanation]

The unemployment rate has basically not moved. If you account for people leaving the labor force, and certainly make room for part-timers who don't qualify as unemployed, it's actually higher now than when he took office. Regardless, it can hardly qualify for SIGNIFICANT improvement like you claimed.

Resultat av Googles bildsökning efter http://www.catalystanalytics.com/wp-content/uploads/Unemployment-Rate-2000-2011.png

It's basically dropped from 10% to just below 9%. That is not amazing - but it is significant.

...and percentage-wise how many FEWER Americans hold full time jobs???

PLEASE - you are pathetic. You want to have a discussion or you want me to blow up your CRAP??? It's your choice.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

ObamaN -

Man, did you get schooled by Doctors on this thread!!!

The gov't takeover of practically every industry is the socialist crap I'm talking about.

And the fact that this happened only in your heads means what, do you think?

You could learn something from this thread you know - you really were proven to be wrong.

So, being civil equates to getting schooled? hahahahahahaha!!!

Well, here ya go!


On March 16, 2012, President Obama issued an executive order entitled, "NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS." (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order...)

This executive order states that the President alone has the authority to take over all resources in the nation (labor, food, industry, etc.) as long as it is done "to promote the national defense" -- a phrase so vague that it could mean practically anything.

The power to seize control and take over these resources is delegated to the following government authorities:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

This takeover is designed, in part, to "stockpile supplies" for the U.S. military. Authority for this total takeover of all national resources is granted with nothing more than the writing of a single statement that claims these actions are necessary to "promote the national defense." As stated in the order:

the authority delegated by section 201 of this order may be used only to support programs that have been determined in writing as necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense:

(a) by the Secretary of Defense with respect to military production and construction, military assistance to foreign nations, military use of civil transportation, stockpiles managed by the Department of Defense, space, and directly related activities;

What all this means is that the U.S. government now claims the power to simply march onto your farm with guns drawn and demand all your crops, seeds, livestock and farm equipment.

Think I'm exaggerating? Read it yourself!

And for those living in denial who refuse to accept the reality of what's happening in America, remember the following:

• When NaturalNews reported on the existence of the NDAA, we were told our reporting was misleading because Obama opposed it and wouldn't sign it.

• When Obama betrayed America and signed the bill, we were told our reporting was misleading because "it didn't apply to Americans."

• When Obama admitted it did apply to Americans, he announced that he would choose "not to use it on Americans" but only by the grace of his restraint. Nobody who previously accused us of misleading the public had the integrity to offer us an apology and say, "Gee, you were right, it DOES apply to Americans!"

• Now Obama has seized control over all food, farms, livestock, water and transportation across America. How many brain-dead Americans will continue to live in denial and try to convince themselves this is not happening? Sticking your head in the sand does not make this go away...


KMA!!!!

Communism is just a step away if you don't open your eyes!!

Those policies have existed in since Nixon first signed that Executive Order back in 1969.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The unemployment rate has basically not moved. If you account for people leaving the labor force, and certainly make room for part-timers who don't qualify as unemployed, it's actually higher now than when he took office. Regardless, it can hardly qualify for SIGNIFICANT improvement like you claimed.

Resultat av Googles bildsökning efter http://www.catalystanalytics.com/wp-content/uploads/Unemployment-Rate-2000-2011.png

It's basically dropped from 10% to just below 9%. That is not amazing - but it is significant.

Your numbers are out of date.

Jan 2013 U3 was 7.9%