Thanksgiving

[Rat in the Hat]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39qogRNT1AQ]NFL thanksgiving cartoon - YouTube[/ame]

 

[rightwinger]

More people watch football on thanksgiving than attend church

 

[Rat in the Hat]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQvwcPbC9mA]The Story of Thanksgiving/Christmas/whatever - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

More people watch football on thanksgiving than attend church

It doesn't matter but what matters is the historical facts.

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and

Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

 

[strollingbones]

i hate football.....

 

[rightwinger]

More people watch football on thanksgiving than attend church

It doesn't matter but what matters is the historical facts.

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and

Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

The facts are that the Pilgrims and the Indians had a huge footbal rivalry. They decided to settle it in the first Thanksgiving Football game. Contrary to popular myth.....the Detroit Lions didn't play in that game.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

i hate football.....

Well then, you must not be thankful about having to watch it on the 2 christian holidays of Thanksgiving and New Year's.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

More people watch football on thanksgiving than attend church

It doesn't matter but what matters is the historical facts.

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and

Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

The facts are that the Pilgrims and the Indians had a huge footbal rivalry. They decided to settle it in the first Thanksgiving Football game. Contrary to popular myth.....the Detroit Lions didn't play in that game.

You talking shit is not being historical correct.

 

[Connery]

Wow historical facts and Presidential proclamations call you a liar.
Keep digging.

Your lack of understanding of what was actually expressed is confounding you. "In setting aside a day for Thanksgiving, Washington established a non-sectarian tone for these devotions and stressed political, moral, and intellectual blessings that make self-government possible, in addition to personal and national repentance. Although the First Amendment prevents Congress from establishing a religion or prohibiting its free exercise, Presidents, as well as Congress, have always recognized the American regard for sacred practices and beliefs. Thus, throughout American history, Presidents have offered non-sectarian prayers for the victory of the military and in the wake of catastrophes."
Washington

Don't say I lack understanding when you're lying.
Really you stupid fucking son of a bitch you lack the understanding when Washington says this.

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor;

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

Dumb ass the Washington Proclamation has nothing to do with being secular

Nice, nice you lost your mind and the argument here my left wing friend...

The establishment clause trumps whatever you think Washington meant...Thomas Jefferson felt the same way... "Jefferson would never issue a Thanksgiving proclamation, for to him and the Republican faithful in the middle and southern states, presidential thanksgivings and fasts were anathema, an egregious example of the Federalists' political exploitation of religion... He wanted his political partisans to know that he opposed proclaiming fasts and thanksgivings, not because he was irreligious, but because he refused to continue a British practice that was an offense to republicanism. To emphasize his resolve in this matter, Jefferson inserted two phrases with a clenched-teeth, defiant ring: "wall of eternal separation between church and state" and "the duties of my station, which are merely temporal."

'A Wall of Separation' - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

 

[Warrior102]

More people watch football on thanksgiving than attend church

You have a stat to back that cocksmoke?
Of course you don't

Put your mouth back on Hussein's ass and STFU

You're stupid

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your lack of understanding of what was actually expressed is confounding you. "In setting aside a day for Thanksgiving, Washington established a non-sectarian tone for these devotions and stressed political, moral, and intellectual blessings that make self-government possible, in addition to personal and national repentance. Although the First Amendment prevents Congress from establishing a religion or prohibiting its free exercise, Presidents, as well as Congress, have always recognized the American regard for sacred practices and beliefs. Thus, throughout American history, Presidents have offered non-sectarian prayers for the victory of the military and in the wake of catastrophes."
Washington

Don't say I lack understanding when you're lying.
Really you stupid fucking son of a bitch you lack the understanding when Washington says this.

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor;

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

Dumb ass the Washington Proclamation has nothing to do with being secular

Nice, nice you lost your mind and the argument here my left wing friend...

The establishment clause trumps whatever you think Washington meant...Thomas Jefferson felt the same way... "Jefferson would never issue a Thanksgiving proclamation, for to him and the Republican faithful in the middle and southern states, presidential thanksgivings and fasts were anathema, an egregious example of the Federalists' political exploitation of religion... He wanted his political partisans to know that he opposed proclaiming fasts and thanksgivings, not because he was irreligious, but because he refused to continue a British practice that was an offense to republicanism. To emphasize his resolve in this matter, Jefferson inserted two phrases with a clenched-teeth, defiant ring: "wall of eternal separation between church and state" and "the duties of my station, which are merely temporal."

'A Wall of Separation' - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

I haven't lost anything but repeating historical facts to idiots like you will make people call you exactly what you are.
I love it when an idiot will use the failed separation between church and state when we have a Congressional Chaplain for both the House and Senate and have had one since the birth of this nation.

 

[rightwinger]

It doesn't matter but what matters is the historical facts.

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and

Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

The facts are that the Pilgrims and the Indians had a huge footbal rivalry. They decided to settle it in the first Thanksgiving Football game. Contrary to popular myth.....the Detroit Lions didn't play in that game.

You talking shit is not being historical correct.

Bull shit

If the Detroit Lions had played in the first Thanksgiving game against either the pilgrims or the Indians......they would have lost

 

[squeeze berry]

The facts are that the Pilgrims and the Indians had a huge footbal rivalry. They decided to settle it in the first Thanksgiving Football game. Contrary to popular myth.....the Detroit Lions didn't play in that game.

You talking shit is not being historical correct.

Bull shit

If the Detroit Lions had played in the first Thanksgiving game against either the pilgrims or the Indians......they would have lost

the Boston Pilgrims and the Cleveland Indians?

sorry, wrong sport.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The facts are that the Pilgrims and the Indians had a huge footbal rivalry. They decided to settle it in the first Thanksgiving Football game. Contrary to popular myth.....the Detroit Lions didn't play in that game.

You talking shit is not being historical correct.

Bull shit

If the Detroit Lions had played in the first Thanksgiving game against either the pilgrims or the Indians......they would have lost

Detroit Chicago 1934 but that isn't before TV so where does TV fit in?

 

[Connery]

Don't say I lack understanding when you're lying.
Really you stupid fucking son of a bitch you lack the understanding when Washington says this.

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor;

George Washington: Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving

Dumb ass the Washington Proclamation has nothing to do with being secular

Nice, nice you lost your mind and the argument here my left wing friend...

The establishment clause trumps whatever you think Washington meant...Thomas Jefferson felt the same way... "Jefferson would never issue a Thanksgiving proclamation, for to him and the Republican faithful in the middle and southern states, presidential thanksgivings and fasts were anathema, an egregious example of the Federalists' political exploitation of religion... He wanted his political partisans to know that he opposed proclaiming fasts and thanksgivings, not because he was irreligious, but because he refused to continue a British practice that was an offense to republicanism. To emphasize his resolve in this matter, Jefferson inserted two phrases with a clenched-teeth, defiant ring: "wall of eternal separation between church and state" and "the duties of my station, which are merely temporal."

'A Wall of Separation' - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

I haven't lost anything but repeating historical facts to idiots like you will make people call you exactly what you are.
I love it when an idiot will use the failed separation between church and state when we have a Congressional Chaplain for both the House and Senate and have had one since the birth of this nation.

Your argument has been tried before and failed. This issue was discussed in MARSH v. CHAMBERS, U.S. Supreme Court, 463 U.S. 783 (1983) The court stated, On September 25, 1789, three days after Congress authorized the appointment of paid chaplains, final agreement was reached on the language of the Bill of Rights., Clearly the men who wrote the First Amendment Religion Clauses did not view paid legislative chaplains and opening prayers as a violation of that Amendment, for the practice of opening sessions with prayer has continued without interruption ever since that early session of Congress. Standing alone, historical patterns cannot justify contemporary violations of constitutional guarantees, but there is far more here than simply historical patterns. In this context, historical evidence sheds light not only on what the draftsmen intended the Establishment Clause to mean, but also on how they thought that Clause applied to the practice authorized by the First Congress - their actions reveal their intent. An Act "passed by the first Congress assembled under the Constitution, many of whose members had taken part in framing that instrument, . . . is contemporaneous and weighty evidence of its true meaning." It can hardly be thought that in the same week Members of the First Congress voted to appoint and to pay a chaplain for each House and also voted to approve the draft of the First Amendment for submission to the states, they intended the Establishment Clause of the Amendment to forbid what they had just declared acceptable. This unique history leads us to accept the interpretation of the First Amendment draftsmen who saw no real threat to the Establishment Clause arising from a practice of prayer similar to that now challenged. We conclude that legislative prayer presents no more potential for establishment than the provision of school transportation, beneficial grants for higher education, or tax exemptions for religious organizations. This interchange emphasizes that the delegates did not consider opening prayers as a proselytizing activity or as symbolically placing the government's "official seal of approval on one religious view." Rather, the Founding Fathers looked at invocations as "conduct whose . . . effect . . . harmonize[d] with the tenets of some or all religions."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nice, nice you lost your mind and the argument here my left wing friend...

The establishment clause trumps whatever you think Washington meant...Thomas Jefferson felt the same way... "Jefferson would never issue a Thanksgiving proclamation, for to him and the Republican faithful in the middle and southern states, presidential thanksgivings and fasts were anathema, an egregious example of the Federalists' political exploitation of religion... He wanted his political partisans to know that he opposed proclaiming fasts and thanksgivings, not because he was irreligious, but because he refused to continue a British practice that was an offense to republicanism. To emphasize his resolve in this matter, Jefferson inserted two phrases with a clenched-teeth, defiant ring: "wall of eternal separation between church and state" and "the duties of my station, which are merely temporal."

'A Wall of Separation' - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

I haven't lost anything but repeating historical facts to idiots like you will make people call you exactly what you are.
I love it when an idiot will use the failed separation between church and state when we have a Congressional Chaplain for both the House and Senate and have had one since the birth of this nation.

Your argument has been tried before and failed. This issue was discussed in MARSH v. CHAMBERS, U.S. Supreme Court, 463 U.S. 783 (1983) The court stated, On September 25, 1789, three days after Congress authorized the appointment of paid chaplains, final agreement was reached on the language of the Bill of Rights., Clearly the men who wrote the First Amendment Religion Clauses did not view paid legislative chaplains and opening prayers as a violation of that Amendment, for the practice of opening sessions with prayer has continued without interruption ever since that early session of Congress. Standing alone, historical patterns cannot justify contemporary violations of constitutional guarantees, but there is far more here than simply historical patterns. In this context, historical evidence sheds light not only on what the draftsmen intended the Establishment Clause to mean, but also on how they thought that Clause applied to the practice authorized by the First Congress - their actions reveal their intent. An Act "passed by the first Congress assembled under the Constitution, many of whose members had taken part in framing that instrument, . . . is contemporaneous and weighty evidence of its true meaning." It can hardly be thought that in the same week Members of the First Congress voted to appoint and to pay a chaplain for each House and also voted to approve the draft of the First Amendment for submission to the states, they intended the Establishment Clause of the Amendment to forbid what they had just declared acceptable. This unique history leads us to accept the interpretation of the First Amendment draftsmen who saw no real threat to the Establishment Clause arising from a practice of prayer similar to that now challenged. We conclude that legislative prayer presents no more potential for establishment than the provision of school transportation, beneficial grants for higher education, or tax exemptions for religious organizations. This interchange emphasizes that the delegates did not consider opening prayers as a proselytizing activity or as symbolically placing the government's "official seal of approval on one religious view." Rather, the Founding Fathers looked at invocations as "conduct whose . . . effect . . . harmonize[d] with the tenets of some or all religions."

You're a funny little toy, you have a big problem defending against historical facts.
Again here's Washington's first Proclamation

Proclamation - Day of National Thanksgiving
October 3, 1789



George Washington


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By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and

Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquillity, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other trangressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally, to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A. D. 1789.

GO. WASHINGTON.

 

[syrenn]

i hate football.....

me too bones!!!

 

[Unkotare]

The facts are that the Pilgrims and the Indians had a huge footbal rivalry. They decided to settle it in the first Thanksgiving Football game.

The Indians might have been familiar with the Wildcat, but the Europeans invented both the blitz and the shotgun. And if worst came to worst, they could throw a Hail Mary.

 

[Unkotare]

i hate football.....

me too bones!!!

ICE will be along to deport you shortly.

 

[Unkotare]

You talking shit is not being historical correct.

Bull shit

If the Detroit Lions had played in the first Thanksgiving game against either the pilgrims or the Indians......they would have lost

the Boston Pilgrims and the Cleveland Indians?

sorry, wrong sport.

The Braves were originally in Boston.