That WAS The Democratic and Repubican Party

[BrokeLoser]

Those were the days my friend. My best friend rented a condo in Bal Harbor for like $800 a month when we were in our late teens, early 20s. Best frigging years of my life. It's ridiculous right now but luckily my family were smart enough and blessed enough to buy property in the 80s. My uncle bought a town house off Kendall Drive in the 80s for $75,000. That place is probably half a million right now and his mother owned a home in Coral Cables right next to UM. She sold that thing at the height of the housing bubble in the early 2000s and most us moved north to Pembroke Pines and Weston. My mom, one of my brothers and a few of my aunts and some cousins are still holding it down around the Hammocks.

hahaha…Socialists bragging about the functions and yield of capitalism….hahaha…Can’t make this shit up folks.

Red Front

 

[Curried Goats]

Societies, just like the people who make them up, grow over time. You are welcome to not believe this but it’s just fact.

It's actually not a fact. Most societies that have existed don't exist anymore because they're destroyed by external or internal forces. What you really mean to say is that societies change over time and that makes sense because that's what time is, the rate of change. Sometimes they change for the better, sometimes they change for the worse. That's a matter of perspective. A lot of Americans are looking at the diversifying of the nation and not liking that change at all.

Yeah, I was using “European” in the context of civilization and would consider America a part of European civilization. But am happen to hyphenate it to European and American. The Americans did a great deal to end slavery.

And also to perpetuate it. Like I said you dont get a pat on the back from me because you've finally ended, after centuries, your deplorable practice of using men, women and children as chattel slaves.

You just see the glass as half empty. Americans fought to change who they were. No one was forcing that change upon themselves, it was their own beliefs and values that motivated the change. It was as much birthing pains as it was resistance.

Don't think you speak for me clown. I see the glass as all full. You cuckolds invited your own demographic displacement and that's the entire game right there. Who the fuck needs to debate or negotiate with you? I'm just here to point and laugh.

 

[struth]

But explain how it works. How do you own a mountain or a mine or resources on a large scale without force?

Without force? Simple, you negotiate with other land owners of the mountain, since everyone can own private property, they can come to an agreement on what to sell their land for.

It’s simple, freedom typically is. Not sure why force is needed.

 

[Curried Goats]

hahaha…Socialists bragging about the functions and yield of capitalism….hahaha…Can’t make this shit up folks.

Red Front

You don't understand capitalism so you don't know how to wield it. Your people have been trained to stand there and wait to be trickled on so you know, don't let me distract you....

 

[struth]

You don't understand capitalism so you don't know how to wield it. Your people have been trained to stand there and wait to be trickled on so you know, don't let me distract you....

If you believe people are standing around, then you don’t understand capitalism, and it explains why you want socialism

 

[Curried Goats]

Without force? Simple, you negotiate with other land owners of the mountain, since everyone can own private property, they can come to an agreement on what to sell their land for.

It’s simple, freedom typically is. Not sure why force is needed.

What other land owners? As I asked you in the beginning, how does one come to own land? I understand ownership over things you yourself fashion with your own work and blood, sweat and tears, but how does someone come to own land, and mountains and mines in the first place? Those you aren't fashioned from your own hard work.

 

[Red Front]

Your claim about human empathy doesn’t explain why slavery has existed for all of human history.

“Changes is societal norms and values”???? You don’t say….. Something more than human empathy drove that change.

Those examples and crap.

Muslims were always morally fine with slavery. Most people rejected enslaving their own. If they did it was a more of a contractual arrangement.

Buddhist opposition to violence does not expand to slavery except in the hopeful minds of people who hate the West. Buddha did call for ending the trading of slaves and for slaves to be treated compassionately. But not for ending their servitude because Buddha did not morally oppose slavery.



“Some African entities” ? You are bordering on apologizing for the most prolific slave traders in history.

1. Why Slavery Existed Despite Human Empathy: The existence of slavery throughout human history underlines the capacity for societal norms to override individual empathy. Societies structured around hierarchical systems often justified slavery through economic, religious, and pseudo-scientific rationales. Human empathy has always existed, but its influence on societal norms can be suppressed or overridden by these justifications. The abolition of slavery wasn't solely due to a sudden surge in empathy; it was the result of complex societal shifts, including economic changes, moral arguments (influenced by empathy and ethics), and resistance movements.
2. Societal Changes Driving Abolition: Indeed, something more than just empathy drove the change, including economic shifts, political movements, and moral arguments. However, to discount empathy and the recognition of shared humanity as contributing factors to these changes is to overlook the personal transformations that often precede or accompany societal shifts. Moral arguments against slavery, many of which appealed to empathetic understanding and ethical reasoning, played significant roles in changing public opinion and policy.
3. The Role of Islam and Buddhism: The statement that "Muslims were always morally fine with slavery" oversimplifies a complex issue. Islamic law did regulate slavery but also encouraged manumission as a virtuous act. The historical acceptance of slavery within Islamic societies doesn't negate the existence of moral debates and discomfort with the practice within those same societies. As for Buddhism, while historical texts may not explicitly call for the abolition of slavery, the core principles of compassion and non-harm certainly challenge the ethics of owning another person. The application of these principles has evolved, and in many Buddhist contexts today, would unequivocally oppose slavery.
4. African Involvement in the Slave Trade: Acknowledging that African entities participated in the slave trade is not an apology for slavery but a recognition of the historical complexity. The transatlantic slave trade involved many parties—African, European, and others. The key distinction lies in the scale, nature, and legacy of the transatlantic slave trade, which was unprecedented and had lasting impacts due to its racialization of slavery and the systemic dehumanization of Africans. Recognizing the roles of African traders doesn't excuse European traders; it underscores the global culpability and complexity of the slave trade.

In addressing these topics, it's crucial to navigate the fine line between recognizing the multifaceted nature of historical phenomena and not diminishing the unique horrors of the transatlantic slave trade and its legacies. Understanding history requires us to grapple with these complexities without resorting to simplistic narratives that ignore the profound human costs of slavery and the ongoing struggle for justice and equality.

 

[Red Front]

If you believe people are standing around, then you don’t understand capitalism, and it explains why you want socialism

Communism is the natural and inevitable successor and inheritor of capitalism. It's inevitable due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence.

 

[struth]

What other land owners? As I asked you in the beginning, how does one come to own land? I understand ownership over things you yourself fashion with your own work and blood, sweat and tears, but how does someone come to own land, and mountains and mines in the first place? Those you aren't fashioned from your own hard work.

How does one come to own land? The same way one comes to own clothes, or the axe.

Why do you think land is any different?

 

[IDIOCRACY]

I'm surprised an intellectually dishonest angry Democracked black man would approve of another intellectually dishonest angry Democracked black man

 

[Curried Goats]

How does one come to own land? The same way one comes to own clothes, or the axe.

Why do you think land is any different?

You make clothes from things you find on the land with your own hard work but how does one come to own the land itself?

 

[struth]

Communism is the natural and inevitable successor and inheritor of capitalism. It's inevitable due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence.

Haha how so? How does technology, created by individuals…mean communism? Communism will never fully exist as a economic and political system because human beings will never completely stop acting in their own self interest, that is true in business as in politics…

 

[BrokeLoser]

You don't understand capitalism so you don't know how to wield it. Your people have been trained to stand there and wait to be trickled on so you know, don't let me distract you....

How weird huh…only socialist beggars seem to understand capitalism.

 

[Curried Goats]

How weird huh…only socialist beggars seem to understand capitalism.

No one is begging you for anything Loser. Your dipshit ancestors all ready gave away what was most valuable. Sovereignty.

 

[Red Front]

Haha how so? How does technology, created by individuals…mean communism? Communism will never fully exist as a economic and political system because human beings will never completely stop acting in their own self interest, that is true in business as in politics…

Technology is often funded and developed by governments, not just individuals. It's often the case that technology is researched and developed by a team of scientists or engineers, receiving funding from the government, among other sources.

When advanced automation greatly reduces wage labor or eliminates it, that's when society is forced by necessity to adopt a non-profit, marketless system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism/communism. It's in everyone's best interest to become a communist, and people will realize that as advanced automation and artificial intelligence continues to eliminate jobs (i.e. wage-labor). Capitalism is built upon wage-labor. Without that foundation, capitalism disappears and socialism/communism becomes a necessity.

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Eliminate wage-labor or reduce it enough, and there's no market or capitalism. Markets rely on wages.

 

[struth]

Technology is often funded and developed by governments, not just individuals. It's often the case that technology is researched and developed by a team of scientists or engineers, receiving funding from the government, among other sources.

When advanced automation greatly reduces wage labor or eliminates it, that's when society is forced by necessity to adopt a non-profit, marketless system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism/communism. It's in everyone's best interest to become a communist, and people will realize that as advanced automation and artificial intelligence continues to eliminate jobs (i.e. wage-labor). Capitalism is built upon wage-labor. Without that foundation, capitalism disappears and socialism/communism becomes a necessity.

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Eliminate wage-labor or reduce it enough, and there's no market or capitalism. Markets rely on wages.

Sure no doubt govt often helps out by giving incentatives like tax credits, or cuts, and at times actually is the consumer.

The best thing a govt can do to advance tech, is patent law, allowing individuals or businesses, to own what they create

 

[Red Front]

Sure no doubt govt often helps out by giving incentatives like tax credits, or cuts, and at times actually is the consumer.

The best thing a govt can do to advance tech, is patent law, allowing individuals or businesses, to own what they create

Governments have the power to push technology forward without needing the market or capitalism to step in. They can fund research and gather teams of experts to innovate. But capitalism often gets in the way, especially when big companies lobby to block new tech that could hurt their profits. For example, the fossil fuel industry has spent loads of money to bad-mouth nuclear energy, even though it's a clean and efficient alternative we've had for years. This has kept us hooked on oil, gas, and coal because people are scared of nuclear power, thanks to all the negative press.

Capitalists are mainly interested in making money. They're not going to invest in new technology unless they're sure it'll pay off. So, they often let universities and government labs do the pioneering work, and then swoop in to make a profit off these innovations.

There's also the issue of products being designed to break down or become outdated on purpose. This tactic, known as "engineered obsolescence," forces people to keep buying new products instead of using them for a long time. Communists argue for making products that last and serve the public good, rather than just making more money for companies. In short, capitalism focuses on profit over people and the planet, while government-driven tech development can be more about the public good and sustainability.

 

[IM2]

You poor, dear.

You’re the forever victim of your laziness and self-loathing.

White women were the number one beneficiary of Affirative Actuion, so be quiet. Whites were so lazy they had to use slaves to do the work. You talk dumb but if not for the fact that you coud lay on your back or get on your knees to get a white man, you would be in the same position as non white people. So don't be white and female talking stupid.

 

[IM2]

• 
  "Fundamental Human Level" Explained: This term refers to the basic human understanding and empathy that suffering, especially the suffering inflicted by slavery, is wrong. It's not about inherent knowledge or instinct but a recognition of injustice when one sees or experiences it. The existence of slavery throughout history does not negate the capacity for human societies to evolve morally and ethically. Changes in societal norms and values, including the understanding of slavery's immorality, are part of human development.
• Historical Perspectives on Slavery: It's incorrect to say that only with the Enlightenment did people start thinking slavery was morally wrong. Across various cultures and times, there have been voices against the practice of enslaving others. For example, in the Islamic world, figures like Ahmad Baba al-Timbukti (1556–1627) argued against the enslavement of fellow Muslims, which was against Islamic law. In ancient India, Buddhist and Jain texts speak against violence, which can be extended to the violence of enslaving others. These examples show that moral opposition to slavery isn't a Western invention but a human concern.
• Economic Benefits and the Role of Africans in the Slave Trade: It's overly simplistic and misleading to claim that "no one profited more from slavery than the Africans." While it's true that some African entities engaged in slave trading, the scale and profitability of the transatlantic slave trade, driven by European demand, far surpassed any internal African slave trade. Moreover, the profits and economic developments fueled by the transatlantic slave trade significantly benefited European economies and the Americas at a catastrophic cost to African societies.
• Abolition and Western Civilization: While France and Britain were among the first nations to abolish slavery, and the U.S. fought a Civil War that led to abolition, it's important to recognize the global influence and pressures that contributed to these decisions, including resistance and revolts by the enslaved themselves. Abolition can't be claimed solely by Western civilization; it was a multifaceted process influenced by moral, economic, and political pressures both within and outside the West.
• Regarding Haiti's Current Situation: Disparaging Haiti's current political situation without acknowledging the complex history of foreign interventions, economic exploitation, and the crippling debts imposed by France post-independence ignores the root causes of its current challenges. Reducing Haiti's struggles to derogatory comments misses the broader context of its ongoing fight for sovereignty and dignity.

In closing, the dismissive and disparaging attitude towards Haiti and its complex history isn't just an oversight; it's a reflection of the legacy of European slavery and colonialism we've been discussing. This stance mirrors the historical indifference and devaluation of non-European lives and societies, a carryover from the era of colonial domination and exploitation. Haiti's current struggles cannot be divorced from the centuries of exploitation, both during and after the colonial period, including the crippling indemnity France demanded for Haiti's independence, which financially strangled the nation for generations.

When they talk about slavery they do not discuss this:

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”
Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry

White Americans benefitted greatly from slavery as well as others around the world. White Americans manufactured slaves, then did this:

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea: mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds. But though slavery ended in 1865, in the years after the Civil War, black entrepreneurs would find themselves excluded from a financial system originally built on their bodies.
-Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves

 

[Hollie]

When they talk about slavery they do not discuss this:

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”
Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry

White Americans benefitted greatly from slavery as well as others around the world. White Americans manufactured slaves, then did this:

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea: mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds. But though slavery ended in 1865, in the years after the Civil War, black entrepreneurs would find themselves excluded from a financial system originally built on their bodies.
-Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves

It’s not all bad news. Blacks were Skylab’s owners, also.

Perhaps you need some DIE coaching related to black fragility.