That WAS The Democratic and Repubican Party

[Curried Goats]

Socialism by its definition won’t allow individuals to own property. Individuals are all simply working for the state. Ie slaves

What is property and how does one come to own it?

 

[Red Front]

I actually agree with you here, except they are not capitalists, they are globalists.

Neoliberal globalists are capitalists. In their effort to create captive markets and make profits off of cheap labor and natural resources, they destroy the lives of tens of millions of people around the world. Capitalists have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point their crooked, feculent finger at communists. The mountain of stinking, rotting corpses under the feet of capitalist imperialists is just as high, if not higher than ours. Communists have indeed killed a lot of people, but that's the consequence of war. In war people die.

There's zero evidence that communists killed tens of millions of innocent people. That's a boldface lie propagated by capitalist polemicists and propagandists.

 

[struth]

What is property and how does one come to own it?

A thing or things belonging to someone. Slaves can’t own anything, as they themselves are owned.

 

[Curried Goats]

A thing or things belonging to someone. Slaves can’t own anything, as they themselves are owned.

Give me an example though. What are some of theses things and how do they come to belong to people?

 

[Red Front]

Me too. Born at Baptist, lived around Hammocks and Richmond Heights and went to Killian in the late 90s.

NO WAY! I was born in Baptist Hospital too! No joke. A few blocks from Dadeland Mall. I was raised in Pine Crest. I went to Palmetto High. I'm class of 91—small world.

 

[struth]

Give me an example though. What are some of theses things and how do they come to belong to people?

House, clothes, the fruits of their labor.

 

[Curried Goats]

NO WAY! I was born in Baptist Hospital too! No joke. A few blocks from Dadeland Mall. I was raised in Pince Crest. I went to Palmetto High. I'm class of 91—small world.

I had bunch of friends that went to Palmetto but I'm class of 99' so we probably don't know any of the same people. I actually lived in those apartments right beside Baptist off Galloway.

 

[Red Front]

Socialism by its definition won’t allow individuals to own property. Individuals are all simply working for the state. Ie slaves

Sir that's false. Communists allow personal property, not private property. Private property is all property that is used to exploit others for profit. You can own a house, a plot of land, car, all of the stuff you own now, provided it's for personal use. In communism, your personal property is even more secure, than under capitalism.

The government of a constitutional, Republic, that is democratic is a better boss than a private company run like a totalitarian dictatorship. Most big companies are run like fiefdoms. When was last time you voted in an election in the workplace? I prefer a boss that holds elections, like my government. Don't drink the capitalist Kool-Aid.

 

[Curried Goats]

House, clothes, the fruits of their labor.

Ok. Let's say as an individual you can fashion an axe, chop wood, construct that wood into a house and that all those are the fruit of your labor. I can dig that. Now how about a mountain or a Forrest or a cobalt mine. How do you come to own that? Did you fashion that mountain or cobalt mine with your own two hands and the sweat of your brow?

 

[el midgetron]

It's like saying the only reason you know it's wrong to hit someone is that a philosopher said so. People know oppression is wrong because they feel it, live it, and resist it on a fundamental human level.

WTF is a “fundamental human level” ? Like inherent knowledge? Instinct? Then why did slavery exist for all of human history until the Age of Enlightenment?

It’s a fundamental flaw of understanding people in a historical context to assume they alway thought and behaved like ourselves.

1. Credit Where It's Due (And Isn't): Saying the abolition movement spread globally thanks to European expansion oversimplifies history and gives undue credit. Resistance and abolition efforts were happening globally, with or without European involvement. Indigenous revolts, maroon communities, and other forms of resistance existed long before and in spite of European philosophies.

People not wanting to be enslaved is different than people believing slavery is morally wrong. Cite some non Europeans arguing that slavery was immoral and document how those ideas were spread to the rest of the world. Without that you have nothing but slave revolts which existed forever and never resulted in the abolition of slavery.

Irony Much? It's ironic to suggest that the same European powers that profited massively from the transatlantic slave trade should be heralded as the harbingers of abolition. It's crucial to recognize the role of those who actually suffered under slavery and fought against it tooth and nail, not just those who eventually came around to the idea that slavery might be wrong after centuries of profit.

No one profited more from slavery than the Africans. They originated the international trading of slaves. They traded slaves for over a thousand years.

France was the first country to abolish slavery. Britain lost 1,000 members of the British Royal Navy fighting to keep Africans from exporting slaves internationally. The US lost hundreds of thousands fighting a CIVIL War to end slavery. Their efforts are unparalleled outside the western world. Abolition belongs to Western Civilization.

The Blame Game: Lastly, reducing the current state of Haiti to being "ruled by a cannibal" is not just disrespectful and inaccurate; it's a gross oversimplification of the complex socio-political and economic challenges Haiti faces, many of which are direct legacies of colonialism and exploitation by foreign powers, including France and the United States. Haiti's struggles today cannot be divorced from the historical context of external interference and debt imposed by those who once enslaved them.

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Now you are defending a cannibal? FFS man….

 

[Red Front]

I had bunch of friends that went to Palmetto but I'm class of 99' so we probably don't know any of the same people. I actually lived in those apartments right beside Baptist off Galloway.

It's a small world man. I meant Pine Crest, not Pince Crest. I lived right on Old Cutler Rd until I was around 12, then I moved to 67th Street, closer to Palmetto. I grew up there in the 70s and 80s. I still have family in Miami. Galloway, wow, seeing those words, gives me goosebumps. Sunset, Birdroad..etc. I love Miami. I used to hang out with friends in Cutler Ridge and Homestead sometimes. I would go to Matheson Hammock Park, a lagoon beach. You've probably been there.

 

[el midgetron]

There's zero evidence that communists killed tens of millions of innocent people. That's a boldface lie propagated by capitalist polemicists and propagandists.

Yeah, and you also believe calling someone a “cannibal” for eating human flesh is “disrespectful”…..

 

[Curried Goats]

WTF is a “fundamental human level” ? Like inherent knowledge? Instinct?

Yes, like that and your own two eyes and ears that can see and hear and comprehend the anguish in the people who you are enslaving.

Then why did slavery exist for all of human history until the Age of Enlightenment?

Because they didnt care about their anguish as much as they cared about the wealth it produced.

It’s a fundamental flaw of understanding people in a historical context to assume they alway thought and behaved like ourselves.

It's a frailure of people like you who don't want to accept that your heroes understood the brutality they wrought on others.

People not wanting to be enslaved is different than people believing slavery is morally wrong. Cite some non Europeans arguing that slavery was immoral and document how those ideas were spread to the rest of the world. Without that you have nothing but slave revolts which existed forever and never resulted in the abolition of slavery.

How about Frederick Douglass?

No one profited more from slavery than the Africans. They originated the international trading of slaves. They traded slaves for over a thousand years.

Thats a silly argument. One only has to look at who the wealthy nations are today to see where the wealth from antiquity has ended up.

France was the first country to abolish slavery. Britain lost 1,000 members of the British Royal Navy fighting to keep Africans from exporting slaves internationally. The US lost hundreds of thousands fighting a CIVIL War to end slavery. Their efforts are unparalleled outside the western world. Abolition belongs to Western Civilization.

You don't get credit for stopping some brutality that you've been engaging in. It's like asking for a pat of the back because you've decided to stop beating your wife.

 

[Red Front]

WTF is a “fundamental human level” ? Like inherent knowledge? Instinct? Then why did slavery exist for all of human history until the Age of Enlightenment?

It’s a fundamental flaw of understanding people in a historical context to assume they alway thought and behaved like ourselves.



People not wanting to be enslaved is different than people believing slavery is morally wrong. Cite some non Europeans arguing that slavery was immoral and document how those ideas were spread to the rest of the world. Without that you have nothing but slave revolts which existed forever and never resulted in the abolition of slavery.



No one profited more from slavery than the Africans. They originated the international trading of slaves. They traded slaves for over a thousand years.

France was the first country to abolish slavery. Britain lost 1,000 members of the British Royal Navy fighting to keep Africans from exporting slaves internationally. The US lost hundreds of thousands fighting a CIVIL War to end slavery. Their efforts are unparalleled outside the western world. Abolition belongs to Western Civilization.


Now you are defending a cannibal? FFS man….

• 
  "Fundamental Human Level" Explained: This term refers to the basic human understanding and empathy that suffering, especially the suffering inflicted by slavery, is wrong. It's not about inherent knowledge or instinct but a recognition of injustice when one sees or experiences it. The existence of slavery throughout history does not negate the capacity for human societies to evolve morally and ethically. Changes in societal norms and values, including the understanding of slavery's immorality, are part of human development.
• Historical Perspectives on Slavery: It's incorrect to say that only with the Enlightenment did people start thinking slavery was morally wrong. Across various cultures and times, there have been voices against the practice of enslaving others. For example, in the Islamic world, figures like Ahmad Baba al-Timbukti (1556–1627) argued against the enslavement of fellow Muslims, which was against Islamic law. In ancient India, Buddhist and Jain texts speak against violence, which can be extended to the violence of enslaving others. These examples show that moral opposition to slavery isn't a Western invention but a human concern.
• Economic Benefits and the Role of Africans in the Slave Trade: It's overly simplistic and misleading to claim that "no one profited more from slavery than the Africans." While it's true that some African entities engaged in slave trading, the scale and profitability of the transatlantic slave trade, driven by European demand, far surpassed any internal African slave trade. Moreover, the profits and economic developments fueled by the transatlantic slave trade significantly benefited European economies and the Americas at a catastrophic cost to African societies.
• Abolition and Western Civilization: While France and Britain were among the first nations to abolish slavery, and the U.S. fought a Civil War that led to abolition, it's important to recognize the global influence and pressures that contributed to these decisions, including resistance and revolts by the enslaved themselves. Abolition can't be claimed solely by Western civilization; it was a multifaceted process influenced by moral, economic, and political pressures both within and outside the West.
• Regarding Haiti's Current Situation: Disparaging Haiti's current political situation without acknowledging the complex history of foreign interventions, economic exploitation, and the crippling debts imposed by France post-independence ignores the root causes of its current challenges. Reducing Haiti's struggles to derogatory comments misses the broader context of its ongoing fight for sovereignty and dignity.

In closing, the dismissive and disparaging attitude towards Haiti and its complex history isn't just an oversight; it's a reflection of the legacy of European slavery and colonialism we've been discussing. This stance mirrors the historical indifference and devaluation of non-European lives and societies, a carryover from the era of colonial domination and exploitation. Haiti's current struggles cannot be divorced from the centuries of exploitation, both during and after the colonial period, including the crippling indemnity France demanded for Haiti's independence, which financially strangled the nation for generations.

 

[Red Front]

Yeah, and you also believe calling someone a “cannibal” for eating human flesh is “disrespectful”…..

I don't know who's eating human flesh. Do you believe the current president of Haiti is a "cannibal"? Seriously? Hey maybe you have evidence for that, but what are the circumstances behind this? Do you think mentioning this justifies what Europeans particularly France, did to Haiti?

 

[Hollie]

Whites are. Whites are the only people who can whine about being discriminated against when they aren't and get laws changed to favor them.

You poor, dear.

You’re the forever victim of your laziness and self-loathing.

 

[Hollie]

Neoliberal globalists are capitalists. In their effort to create captive markets and make profits off of cheap labor and natural resources, they destroy the lives of tens of millions of people around the world. Capitalists have no moral high ground upon which to stand and point their crooked, feculent finger at communists. The mountain of stinking, rotting corpses under the feet of capitalist imperialists is just as high, if not higher than ours. Communists have indeed killed a lot of people, but that's the consequence of war. In war people die.

There's zero evidence that communists killed tens of millions of innocent people. That's a boldface lie propagated by capitalist polemicists and propagandists.

Did you steal that from the Joy Reid show?

 

[Red Front]

Did you steal that from the Joy Reid show?

I don't even know what that is.

 

[Curried Goats]

It's a small world man. I meant Pine Crest, not Pince Crest. I lived right on Old Cutler Rd until I was around 12, then I moved to 67th Street, closer to Palmetto. I grew up there in the 70s and 80s. I still have family in Miami. Galloway, wow, seeing those words, gives me goosebumps. Sunset, Birdroad..etc. I love Miami. I used to hang out with friends in Cutler Ridge and Homestead sometimes. I would go to Matheson Hammock Park, a lagoon beach. You've probably been there.

My wife and I love Fairchild Tropical Garden which is right next door to Matheson which used to have this really nice restaurant on the pier there called Redfish but I think it's been closed since Covid. The restaurant I mean. There's still usually a decent amount of people out there windsurfing on the weekends.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Again, my Broward school district, run by Democrats, is one of the best in the country.

DeSantis won't let democrat fuckups ruin Florida educational system, 0 tolerance for their BS