The Bastard Just Had To Do It: Obama In Hiroshima Apologizes For America's Actions During WW2

[daws101]

It's a waste of time to engage in reasonable debate with you, because you're too stupid to understand how it works.

“Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.”

— P. 202, “Adolph Hitler” by John Toland


Quotations:

"The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world." David E. Stannard. 4

"This violent corruption needn't define us.... We can say, yes, this happened, and we are ashamed. We repudiate the greed. We recognize and condemn the evil. And we see how the harm has been perpetuated. But, five hundred years later, we intend to mean something else in the world." Barry Lopez. 3

"By then [1891] the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated....Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice or law." Peter Montague 1
native american genocide in america

An example of a genocidal event that has featured prominently in the field's historiography is the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864. On the morning of November 29, 1864, the Colorado Third Cavalry, under the command of Colonel John M. Chivington, attacked the sleeping encampment of Chief Black Kettle's Cheyenne and Arapaho at Sand Creek. The resulting scene left a large number of unarmed Native American men, women, and children dead, their bodies mutilated by Chivington's men. This horrific event has received considerable attention from scholars due to certain statements made previous to the attack. In authorizing Chivington's Third Cavalry in their 100-day tour of duty, Colorado Governor John Evans gave instructions to "kill and destroy, as enemies of the country, wherever they may be found, all such hostile Indians" (U.S. Congress, House of Representatives, 1865, p. 47). It was later reported that Chivington echoed this policy by pronouncing his goal to "kill and scalp all, little and big; that nits made lice" (U.S. Congress, Senate, 1865, p. 71). Taken together, a specific group was singled out for utter destruction, and the actions of the Colorado Third Cavalry on the cold morning of November 29, 1864, indicate that such intent was actualized in the massacre of members of that defined group.
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=historydiss

Genocide of Native Americans

• 
  
  
  • Brown, D. A. (2007). Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West (4th Owl Books ed.). New York: Henry Holt & Company.
  • Churchill, W. (1998). A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present. San Francisco, CA: City Lights Books.
  • Churchill, W. (1994). Indians Are Us? Culture and Genocide in Native North America. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press.
  • Drinnon, R. (1997). Facing West: The Metaphysics of Indian-Hating and Empire-Building. Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press.
  • Jahoda, G. (1995). The Trail of Tears. San Antonio, TX: Wings Press.
  • Kakel, P. (2011). The American West and the Nazi East: A Comparative and Interpretive Perspective. New York, NY: Palgrave Macmillan.
  • Mann, B. A. (2008). George Washington's War on Native America. Lincoln, NE: University of Nebraska Press.
  • Stannard, D. E. (1992). American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World. New York: Oxford University Press.
  • Thornton, R. (1990). American Indian Holocaust and Survival: A Population History Since 1492. Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press.
  • VanDevelder, P. (2009). Savages and Scoundrels: The Untold Story of America's Road to Empire through Indian Territory. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
  • Williams, E. (Ed.). (1963). Documents of West Indian History (vol. 1, 1492-1655; see pp. 55-67 158-160, 290). Port-of-Spain, Trinidad: PNM Publishing Co.

UnderstandingPrejudice.org: Reading Room - Genocide in America

So what? So he studied death. That doesn't change history...or the fact that the deaths of Indians, while deplorable, was a CAMPAIGN OF GENOCIDE.

Lot of material there, not just one guy, not just studying "death" but american genocide of the native american peoples.

And you're correct, "That doesn't change history...or the fact that the deaths of Indians, while deplorable, was a CAMPAIGN OF GENOCIDE."

Wasn't, meh.

Sorry, it wasn't genocide.

If it wasnt meth then it had to be crack you were smoking.

Yes it was genocide.

Meth had nothing to do with kosherhag's mental illness.

 

[Asclepias]

America apologizes for being the victim of Japanese aggression and having the temerity to kick their ass. How dare we?

He said no such thing. Try listening again. This time perhaps with someone who can explain things to you in smaller words.

It seems a lot of conservatives have dementia which causes them to see and hear things that are just not there. You can post "I ate some soup" and their minds will turn it into "I hate using soap"

America apologizes for being the victim of Japanese aggression and having the temerity to kick their ass. How dare we?

He said no such thing. Try listening again. This time perhaps with someone who can explain things to you in smaller words.

I never said Obama was apologizing, read my post again.

Well what were you talking about then?

 

[Syriusly]

Again, this is what happens when you have a non-natural born Citizen as president born without sole allegiance to America.

Obama Ignores Japanese Atrocities in Hiroshima: US Decision to Drop Atom Bomb Arose from "Humanity's Worst Instincts"

Another post from the resident asshole racist who does nothing but lie, lie and lie some more. Eat shit and die you lying liar.

Obama says no apology for A-bomb on Hiroshima visit

Asked if an apology would be included in remarks he plans to make there, he said: "No, because I think that it's important to recognise that in the midst of war, leaders make all kinds of decisions.

"It's a job of historians to ask questions and examine them, but I know as somebody who has now sat in this position for the last seven and a half years, that every leader makes very difficult decisions, particularly during war time."

Can't you fucking retards understand what the word "NO" means?

I'm waiting for a Japanese president to go to Pearl Harbor, and every island in the Pacific to beg for forgiveness.

I am still waiting for the OP to show us where anyone apologized for the bombing of Hiroshima as the OP claimed.

 

[jillian]

“Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.”

— P. 202, “Adolph Hitler” by John Toland


Quotations:

"The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world." David E. Stannard. 4

"This violent corruption needn't define us.... We can say, yes, this happened, and we are ashamed. We repudiate the greed. We recognize and condemn the evil. And we see how the harm has been perpetuated. But, five hundred years later, we intend to mean something else in the world." Barry Lopez. 3

"By then [1891] the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated....Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice or law." Peter Montague 1
native american genocide in america

An example of a genocidal event that has featured prominently in the field's historiography is the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864. On the morning of November 29, 1864, the Colorado Third Cavalry, under the command of Colonel John M. Chivington, attacked the sleeping encampment of Chief Black Kettle's Cheyenne and Arapaho at Sand Creek. The resulting scene left a large number of unarmed Native American men, women, and children dead, their bodies mutilated by Chivington's men. This horrific event has received considerable attention from scholars due to certain statements made previous to the attack. In authorizing Chivington's Third Cavalry in their 100-day tour of duty, Colorado Governor John Evans gave instructions to "kill and destroy, as enemies of the country, wherever they may be found, all such hostile Indians" (U.S. Congress, House of Representatives, 1865, p. 47). It was later reported that Chivington echoed this policy by pronouncing his goal to "kill and scalp all, little and big; that nits made lice" (U.S. Congress, Senate, 1865, p. 71). Taken together, a specific group was singled out for utter destruction, and the actions of the Colorado Third Cavalry on the cold morning of November 29, 1864, indicate that such intent was actualized in the massacre of members of that defined group.
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=historydiss

Genocide of Native Americans

• 
  
  
  • Brown, D. A. (2007). Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West (4th Owl Books ed.). New York: Henry Holt & Company.
  • Churchill, W. (1998). A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present. San Francisco, CA: City Lights Books.
  • Churchill, W. (1994). Indians Are Us? Culture and Genocide in Native North America. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press.
  • Drinnon, R. (1997). Facing West: The Metaphysics of Indian-Hating and Empire-Building. Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press.
  • Jahoda, G. (1995). The Trail of Tears. San Antonio, TX: Wings Press.
  • Kakel, P. (2011). The American West and the Nazi East: A Comparative and Interpretive Perspective. New York, NY: Palgrave Macmillan.
  • Mann, B. A. (2008). George Washington's War on Native America. Lincoln, NE: University of Nebraska Press.
  • Stannard, D. E. (1992). American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World. New York: Oxford University Press.
  • Thornton, R. (1990). American Indian Holocaust and Survival: A Population History Since 1492. Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press.
  • VanDevelder, P. (2009). Savages and Scoundrels: The Untold Story of America's Road to Empire through Indian Territory. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
  • Williams, E. (Ed.). (1963). Documents of West Indian History (vol. 1, 1492-1655; see pp. 55-67 158-160, 290). Port-of-Spain, Trinidad: PNM Publishing Co.

UnderstandingPrejudice.org: Reading Room - Genocide in America

So what? So he studied death. That doesn't change history...or the fact that the deaths of Indians, while deplorable, was a CAMPAIGN OF GENOCIDE.

Lot of material there, not just one guy, not just studying "death" but american genocide of the native american peoples.

And you're correct, "That doesn't change history...or the fact that the deaths of Indians, while deplorable, was a CAMPAIGN OF GENOCIDE."

Wasn't, meh.

Sorry, it wasn't genocide.

If it wasnt meth then it had to be crack you were smoking.

Yes it was genocide.

Meth had nothing to do with kosherhag's mental illness.

do we know that?

 

[Syriusly]

That's her standard disclaimer when her ass gets handed to her.

Speaking of asses handed out, what's the date on this?
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Irrelevant.

I think he is embarrassed he fell for the propaganda.

He's not smart enough to be embarrassed .
Well maybe when he looks in the mirror.

Could you type what the headline says and the date of the paper for us, Einstein?H]

I am still waiting for the OP to provide the headline and the date showing President Obama apologizing for Hiroshima as he claimed.

 

[Syriusly]

Again, this is what happens when you have a non-natural born Citizen as president born without sole allegiance to America.

Obama Ignores Japanese Atrocities in Hiroshima: US Decision to Drop Atom Bomb Arose from "Humanity's Worst Instincts"

Bumping the OP to point out what piece of shit lie this entire thread is.

And to point out that very few of the Conservatives who jump to defend our bombing of Hiroshima, have bothered to address the lie made by the OP.

 

[MaryL]

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

 

[Unkotare]

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

How do you know?

 

[MaryL]

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

How do you know?

How do I know WHAT?

 

[Weatherman2020]

I think he is embarrassed he fell for the propaganda.

He's not smart enough to be embarrassed .
Well maybe when he looks in the mirror.

Could you type what the headline says and the date of the paper for us, Einstein?

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for god and country war - Google Search

September 2, 1945

And thanks for the google link.

"The surrender of the Empire of Japan was announced by Imperial Japan on August 15"

A cease fire order is not a surrender

Fail.

Yeah, every newspaper in the world announced Japan surrendered, Japan announced they surrender, Truman announced they surrendered, but they were all wrong according to you.

 

[Asclepias]

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

List of war apology statements issued by Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In one version of the formal apology, Emperor Hirohito, the Japanese monarch, is reported to have said to General MacArthur: "I come before you to offer myself to the judgment of the powers you represent, as one to bear sole responsibility for every political and military decision made and action taken by my people in the conduct of the war."[3]

In a second version of the formal apology, Patrick Lennox Tierney, claims that he was an eye-witness when the Emperor came to the Allied Supreme Commander's headquarters to present this apology. Tierney was in his office on the fifth floor of the Dai-Ichi Insurance Building in Tokyo. This was the same floor where MacArthur's suite was situated.[2] Tierney reported that when the emperor arrived, MacArthur refused to admit him or acknowledge him, and the pivotal moment passed."

 

[Asclepias]

He's not smart enough to be embarrassed .
Well maybe when he looks in the mirror.

Could you type what the headline says and the date of the paper for us, Einstein?

View attachment 76200

for god and country war - Google Search

September 2, 1945

And thanks for the google link.

"The surrender of the Empire of Japan was announced by Imperial Japan on August 15"

A cease fire order is not a surrender

Fail.

Yeah, every newspaper in the world announced Japan surrendered, Japan announced they surrender, Truman announced they surrendered, but they were all wrong according to you.

Japan surrenders - Sep 02, 1945 - HISTORY.com

 

[Rustic]

Again, this is what happens when you have a non-natural born Citizen as president born without sole allegiance to America.

Obama Ignores Japanese Atrocities in Hiroshima: US Decision to Drop Atom Bomb Arose from "Humanity's Worst Instincts"

Progressives think we attacked Japan first, fucking morons

 

[MaryL]

America apologizes for being the victim of Japanese aggression and having the temerity to kick their ass. How dare we?

What apology are you fantasizing about?

I was being facetious, Obama didn't do anything. He is good at doing NOTHING. He doesn't want to offend anyone.

 

[Unkotare]

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

How do you know?

How do I know WHAT?[/QUOTE



Do you feel well?



You said it was a

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

How do you know?

How do I know WHAT?

Read your own post, headcase.

 

[Clementine]

"How easily we seek to justify violence in the name of some higher cause."

Yeah, like it saved an estimated 1.5 million lives.

He made it sound like America was arrogant and aggressive. He could have told them that while it needed to be done at the time, we can all move on. Instead, he talked about evil America and didn't mention why it was done. The bombing ended things and everyone, including Japan, had acknowledged that it would have been far worse had it continued.

The left is bad at reading between the lines. Just because Obama didn't say he was sorry, they say it wasn't an apology.

Anyone listening to his words would walk away understanding that he felt America was wrong and had no justification. And he didn't make any mention of the American lives lost at Pearl Harbor.

 

[my2¢]

Heard that afterwards Japanese citizens were lined up waiting over an hour to stand on spot where Obama gave his speech.

 

[mamooth]

The left is bad at reading between the lines. Just because Obama didn't say he was sorry, they say it wasn't an apology.

At least the ODSers are now admitting there was no actual apology, and that the only apology that happened is the one they've imagined.

That's progress. They're only partially out of touch with reality, instead of being completely out of touch.

 

[MaryL]

Obama did not apologize for nuking Japan. He is the first president do lay a wreath there. Japan started this. And how many Japanese leaders visited past victims and lay wreaths at their feet, let alone apologize? Short list.

List of war apology statements issued by Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In one version of the formal apology, Emperor Hirohito, the Japanese monarch, is reported to have said to General MacArthur: "I come before you to offer myself to the judgment of the powers you represent, as one to bear sole responsibility for every political and military decision made and action taken by my people in the conduct of the war."[3]

In a second version of the formal apology, Patrick Lennox Tierney, claims that he was an eye-witness when the Emperor came to the Allied Supreme Commander's headquarters to present this apology. Tierney was in his office on the fifth floor of the Dai-Ichi Insurance Building in Tokyo. This was the same floor where MacArthur's suite was situated.[2] Tierney reported that when the emperor arrived, MacArthur refused to admit him or acknowledge him, and the pivotal moment passed."

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When has Japan admitted they started this? To my knowledge, they haven't. It hasn't happened. What happened as a result, say the rape of Nanking and the executions of innocent people in China. A simple apology isn't enough. The Japanese started this with their hate and aggression was addressed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Karma.

 

[miketx]

Libtard ROE


1. Demand a link or an explanation of the truth you are objecting to.

2. Reject all explanations as right wing lies.

3. Ignore any facts presented.

4. Ridicule spelling and typos.

5. Attack the person as being juvenile, ie: "are you 12 years old", or question their education, intelligence.

6. Employ misdirection, smear people

7. Lie

8. Play race card

9. Play gender card

10. Play gay/lesbian card

11. Make up shit.

12. Deny it constantly

13. Reword and repeat

Bipartisan all the way. You'd be able to see that, but you're a partisanshithead too.

6. Employ misdirection, smear people