The Belief That Life Was the Result of an Accident Is Unscientific

[K9Buck]

Faith is fine - but it isn't fact, it's faith. Let's not confuse the two.

Who here is saying otherwise?

 

[K9Buck]

Get your goofy voodoo out of here, this is a place of truth.

It's "goofy voodoo" to believe that the universe created itself and that life came from lightning striking a puddle of water containing minerals. LMAO!

 

[alang1216]

From a moral point of view, the unlawful killing of a person is universally regarded much more heinous than the unlawful killing of an animal.

Why?

 

[fncceo]

Why?

Sentience and self-awareness is a big reason.

Another reason might be that humans taste god-awful.

 

[alang1216]

I don't believe the OT had a heaven or hell, they are an invention of the NT God and a major change in man's relationship with God.

The OT is silent, mostly on the after life. David mentions Sheol and some other mentions occur, but not much description. Job describes Satan petitioning God in Heaven in the midst of the Angels to put Job into a series of trials.

Heaven and hell did not spring into being with the NT, they just got more air time because humanity was more able to handle the ideas.

So before Jesus, God would send people (Jews? Non-Jews?) to hell but didn't think to let them know about it? Quite a nasty surprise for them.

 

[fncceo]

God would send people (Jews? Non-Jews?) to hell

We don't actually have a Hell. Not in the eternal damnation sense.

 

[rightwinger]

Why?

Sentience and self-awareness is a big reason.

Another reason might be that humans taste god-awful.

Taste like chicken!

 

[alang1216]

Not quite correct. OT is about the establishment of a people so that all mankind may be redeemed. The NT is the fulfillment of that plan.

The OT God had no issues killing the innocent to punish the guilty. The NT God, not so much.

God did not Himself kill anyone, hardly. It was always the criminal acts of other people or natural disasters.

At most one could claim that God removed blocking cause, but that is not theologically feasible as not every bad thing is blocked by God.

I seem to recall that God sent a flood to kill almost everything, everything meaning animals & babies. He told the Israelis to kill everyone in Jericho and their animals too. He sent a plague to kill 70,000 Israelis because David took a census. Sounds like a serial killer to me yet there is nothing like it in the NT.

 

[fncceo]

Taste like chicken!

It REALLY doesn't.

 

[alang1216]

Why?

Sentience and self-awareness is a big reason.

Seems like a good stage of development to ban abortions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism...

...is responsible for over 100 million slaughtered since its origin.

Being that you are both a liar and a fool, the numbers will not be instructive to you....

...but, ever the optimist I, here you go:

"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left




1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime under Chiang Kai-shek

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER




Now....why are you so fearful of reality?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Because if they accept the traditional view of God....then they would be forced to accept the corollary, the view that Evil, or Satan, or Lucifer, exist as well.....and the evidence would prove that Leftism is animated by that evil.

Actually their existence would require they were created by your God and therefore YOUR religion of hate is animated by that Godly evil.

1. You don't know my religion.

2. America's basis, Judeo-Christian doctrine is based on free will.
Hence, if some are evil it is there choice, just as being stupid is your choice.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Good to see you've backed down from trying to refute the omnipotence of God.

 

[K9Buck]

I seem to recall that God sent a flood to kill...babies.

Just pretend they were all aborted and then you won't care.

 

[fncceo]

Seems like a good stage of development to ban abortions.

The case could be made, yes.

The real issue with legal abortion is that it's considered homicide in 38 states to unlawfully kill a fetus and not to perform an abortion.

If you don't categorize a fetus as a living person then that has to invalidate fetal homicide as a crime.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"His theory that life evolved from a common ancestor is considered to be proven fact beyond any reasonable doubt. "

Only by buffoons.
Raise your paw.

Not only is there no evidence that supports Darwinian theory, but there is evidence that it is false.

Really....stop being afraid to actually pick up a book, or to question Liberal orthodoxy.

Except evolution is accepted by the vast majority of scientists as proven true:
Many scientific theories are so well-established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). Like these other foundational scientific theories, the theory of evolution is supported by so many observations and confirming experiments that scientists are confident that the basic components of the theory will not be overturned by new evidence. However, like all scientific theories, the theory of evolution is subject to continuing refinement as new areas of science emerge or as new technologies enable observations and experiments that were not possible previously.

You are being disingenuous, ignorant, or just plain lying to talk about Darwin's other theories in the context of my quote above. I'll let you decide why you bear false witness. Also, people like you are destroying this country by making every issue a matter of left or right.

"His theory that life evolved from a common ancestor is considered to be proven fact beyond any reasonable doubt. "

Only by buffoons.
Raise your paw.

Not only is there no evidence that supports Darwinian theory, but there is evidence that it is false.

Really....stop being afraid to actually pick up a book, or to question Liberal orthodoxy.

Except evolution is accepted by the vast majority of scientists as proven true:
Many scientific theories are so well-established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). Like these other foundational scientific theories, the theory of evolution is supported by so many observations and confirming experiments that scientists are confident that the basic components of the theory will not be overturned by new evidence. However, like all scientific theories, the theory of evolution is subject to continuing refinement as new areas of science emerge or as new technologies enable observations and experiments that were not possible previously.

You are being disingenuous, ignorant, or just plain lying to talk about Darwin's other theories in the context of my quote above. I'll let you decide why you bear false witness. Also, people like you are destroying this country by making every issue a matter of left or right.

".... accepted by the vast majority of scientists...."

Only a buffoon imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that science is based on consensus or the raising of hands.

Raise your paw.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've noticed that when buffoons are stumped and recognize that they have no way to dispute what I've posted, they pretend that 'cut and paste' is some sort of pejorative.

It isn't.

If I wanted to converse with Google I'd just cut out the middle man and go there. Providing links to supporting info is fine but if you can't put an idea into your own words you probably don't understand it.

I link, source and document everything I post.

Perhaps, if you go to college, you'll understand the importance of doing so.

 

[alang1216]

Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism...

...is responsible for over 100 million slaughtered since its origin.

Being that you are both a liar and a fool, the numbers will not be instructive to you....

...but, ever the optimist I, here you go:

"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left




1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime under Chiang Kai-shek

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER




Now....why are you so fearful of reality?????

I wonder if you have truly connected cause and effect? None of these events happened in English-speaking places, maybe that is the cause?

 

[alang1216]

I link, source and document everything I post.

Perhaps, if you go to college, you'll understand the importance of doing so.

An entire sentence in your own words with no cut & paste. I knew you could do it. And a gratuitous insult to boot. Thanks.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism...

...is responsible for over 100 million slaughtered since its origin.

Being that you are both a liar and a fool, the numbers will not be instructive to you....

...but, ever the optimist I, here you go:

"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left




1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime under Chiang Kai-shek

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER




Now....why are you so fearful of reality?????

I wonder if you have truly connected cause and effect? None of these events happened in English-speaking places, maybe that is the cause?

"None of these events happened in English-speaking places, maybe that is the cause?"


Over 100 million men, women and children were slaughtered under the auspices of Leftists.

Leftists: communists, Nazis, Fascists, Liberals, Progressives, and socialists.



Only a buffoon would attribute the slaughter to the language spoken by the murderers.

As you don't read, perhaps this award winning documentary would inform you:

Livingscoop.com

Livingscoop.com


"The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.

"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems."
Telling the Soviet story


1. The film opens showing the method used to kill millions of civilians...hands tied behind their backs, an expertly aimed shot to the back of the head, the fall into a mass grave. Not the Nazis....Stalin's Soviets....and this went on for years, well before FDR embraced the USSR.

2. Lenin believed in Utopia, a harmony reached only after certain groups of people are killed: the 'War of Classes'. 'Initially, wherever communists come to power, Russia, Cuba, Poland, Nicaragua, China, it doesn't matter- they destroy about 10% of the people. They are not enemies...best intellectuals, best workers, best engineers...doesn't matter. It is to restructure the fabric of society, a form of social engineering."
Vladimir Bukovsky.

a. "Hang at least 100 hostages, execute the kulaks, do it in such a way that people for hundreds of miles around will see and tremble." Lenin (document shown) He took power in 1917.


Liberalism, America's version of Communism, needs to account for this past.

 

[alang1216]

".... accepted by the vast majority of scientists...."

Only a buffoon imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that science is based on consensus or the raising of hands.

Raise your paw.

I have a science question and find that the vast majority of scientists accept one answer, based on science, while a large number of non-scientists accept a non-science answer. Which answer do I go with?